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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#121 » by duetta » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:18 pm

Fat Kat wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2259616

afarmenian wrote:I try not to be prisoner of the moment, but lets have an honest conversation about the last 12 months. The cavs are a half game worse than they were at this point last year. At what point do we start to question this trade and the direction of this team?

The facts are that Mitchell is a fun player to watch puts up gaudy numbers, but the results right now point to about the same number of wins with significantly diminished war chest and very little flexibility going forward. Last year with Levert you gave up assets for the idea of the player you wanted in the backcourt and it did not have an impact on wins and losses correct? They were worse after the Levert trade than before is that a fact?

That is two players, two guards for wait for it.....4 first round picks, a rookie first round pick, an all star this year Lauri, and also a rotation player in Sexton. That gets you LESS win rate than the previous year and overall. This looks bad....really really bad, a complete botch the future bad.....Is anybody feeling any kind of optimism for how this team becomes a true contender?

The only path I see is for Mobley to develop into a superstar in the next couple years which is a pretty ridiculous ask even for a unicorn. I for one have started to feel quite a bit of regret that we maybe blew up something that could have been special for instant gratification.

Gun to my head this was a terrible terrible mistake to break up the team they had I hope to be proven to be an idiot in the coming months.


If the Knicks were better at hitting free throws at the end of games, we might have the same record as the mighty Cavs at this point in our season. But the Cleveland poster's point is well taken.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#122 » by F N 11 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:30 pm

Team forcing more action to pass the ball around but still trash and looked forced. Lucky ass game Cavs played down to us. Thibs fake staggering RJ so he can go with IQ all 4th is starting to get funny.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#123 » by F N 11 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:36 pm

Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#124 » by knicksNOTslick » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:49 pm

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Fat Kat wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2259616

afarmenian wrote:I try not to be prisoner of the moment, but lets have an honest conversation about the last 12 months. The cavs are a half game worse than they were at this point last year. At what point do we start to question this trade and the direction of this team?

The facts are that Mitchell is a fun player to watch puts up gaudy numbers, but the results right now point to about the same number of wins with significantly diminished war chest and very little flexibility going forward. Last year with Levert you gave up assets for the idea of the player you wanted in the backcourt and it did not have an impact on wins and losses correct? They were worse after the Levert trade than before is that a fact?

That is two players, two guards for wait for it.....4 first round picks, a rookie first round pick, an all star this year Lauri, and also a rotation player in Sexton. That gets you LESS win rate than the previous year and overall. This looks bad....really really bad, a complete botch the future bad.....Is anybody feeling any kind of optimism for how this team becomes a true contender?

The only path I see is for Mobley to develop into a superstar in the next couple years which is a pretty ridiculous ask even for a unicorn. I for one have started to feel quite a bit of regret that we maybe blew up something that could have been special for instant gratification.

Gun to my head this was a terrible terrible mistake to break up the team they had I hope to be proven to be an idiot in the coming months.


If the Knicks were better at hitting free throws at the end of games, we might have the same record as the mighty Cavs at this point in our season. But the Cleveland poster's point is well taken.

The Cavs really drove up the price for Mitchell so I don't feel bad for their situation. If they weren't a player in the negotiations willing to give up all that haul, the Knicks could've made a stand and forced Utah's hand. Instead the Cavs realized now they overpaid just like the Timberwolves did. They didn’t realize what player they had in Markannen.

Ainge has proven time and time again he can make any trade demand knowing some dumb GM will meet them no matter how ridiculous they are. Not sure about the fit with Mitchell and Brunson but would've been nice to see how it would have turned out.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#125 » by Buttah304 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:55 pm

F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0


My preference is to trade Randle and I would in a heartbeat if the price was fair but what exactly are you saying here by showing his variable comp?

Are you upset that he wants to be an all star and that he wants to help lead the team to the playoffs?

Would you be coming with this same energy if it was RJ or would you be posting that same GIF over and over and over again of Barrett confused.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#126 » by nedleeds » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:04 pm

duetta wrote:
Fat Kat wrote:https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2259616

afarmenian wrote:I try not to be prisoner of the moment, but lets have an honest conversation about the last 12 months. The cavs are a half game worse than they were at this point last year. At what point do we start to question this trade and the direction of this team?

The facts are that Mitchell is a fun player to watch puts up gaudy numbers, but the results right now point to about the same number of wins with significantly diminished war chest and very little flexibility going forward. Last year with Levert you gave up assets for the idea of the player you wanted in the backcourt and it did not have an impact on wins and losses correct? They were worse after the Levert trade than before is that a fact?

That is two players, two guards for wait for it.....4 first round picks, a rookie first round pick, an all star this year Lauri, and also a rotation player in Sexton. That gets you LESS win rate than the previous year and overall. This looks bad....really really bad, a complete botch the future bad.....Is anybody feeling any kind of optimism for how this team becomes a true contender?

The only path I see is for Mobley to develop into a superstar in the next couple years which is a pretty ridiculous ask even for a unicorn. I for one have started to feel quite a bit of regret that we maybe blew up something that could have been special for instant gratification.

Gun to my head this was a terrible terrible mistake to break up the team they had I hope to be proven to be an idiot in the coming months.


If the Knicks were better at hitting free throws at the end of games, we might have the same record as the mighty Cavs at this point in our season. But the Cleveland poster's point is well taken.

and if the Knicks hadn't played the Pistons an unreal 4 times, thrice without Cade we'd be playin game striving. Schedule matters.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#127 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:13 pm

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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#128 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:16 pm

Randle had 13 rebounds last night. I was told he only gets a lot of rebounds because of Mitch :lol:
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#129 » by knicksNOTslick » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:16 pm

nedleeds wrote:
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If the Knicks were better at hitting free throws at the end of games, we might have the same record as the mighty Cavs at this point in our season. But the Cleveland poster's point is well taken.

and if the Knicks hadn't played the Pistons an unreal 4 times, thrice without Cade we'd be playin game striving. Schedule matters.

Cade or no Cade, we're beating Detroit this year. Hate playing the what if game. Knicks weren't 100 percent the whole season either. Brunson was banged up, RJ had weird injuries and illnesses, Mitch is hurt right now, Grimes was out the beginning of the season. Nobody is 100 percent durable unless you're Julius Randle. Then you feel bad for Obi because he can't find time.

But this is who the Knicks are. Close to a .500 team injuries or not. Injuries are just poor excuses to me from teams who rely too much on one or two players. It always has been part of the game.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#130 » by Enzo954 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:18 pm

F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0


Julius can put up great stats all year long but IMO an All Star is clutch when it counts. Julius completely falls apart at the end of most games. Now he's just stat padding to get that bonus money. Can't hate on him for trying to get that bag but let's be real about him.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#131 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:18 pm

rajajackal wrote:bam adebayo. that dude is such a nice building block. too bad he will never be available in his prime. the miami heat continue to embody the rich getting richer under pat riley...

We could’ve drafted him :nonono:
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#132 » by Synciere » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:19 pm

I laughed from a good, healthy place when RJ airballed in the final minute.

Seemed like a tough matchup for Jalen; struggled to get his shot off.

Great defense from both teams.

People still struggling to give Randle his flowers I'm sure.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#133 » by The Lamma » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:20 pm

When Mitchell was down at the end of the game and our guys stayed on the court around him hoping he was OK that showed class and respect
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#134 » by robillionaire » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:20 pm

Enzo954 wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0


Julius can put up great stats all year long but IMO an All Star is clutch when it counts. Julius completely falls apart at the end of most games. Now he's just stat padding to get that bonus money. Can't hate on him for trying to get that bag but let's be real about him.


That’s pocket change for Randle he doesn’t need that money he’ll probably donate it to the garden of dreams foundation lol
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#135 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:21 pm

F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0

Yes randle is only playing good and wants to win to reach the playoffs for something equivalent to a vet mins contract. It’s paining you to give Randle real props. That crow delicious huh :lol:
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#136 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

nedleeds wrote:
duetta wrote:


If the Knicks were better at hitting free throws at the end of games, we might have the same record as the mighty Cavs at this point in our season. But the Cleveland poster's point is well taken.

and if the Knicks hadn't played the Pistons an unreal 4 times, thrice without Cade we'd be playin game striving. Schedule matters.


Crazy that Cleveland never plays Detroit or any other bottom dwelling team. Very unfair!
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#137 » by robillionaire » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0

Yes randle is only playing good and wants to win to reach the playoffs for something equivalent to a vet mins contract. It’s paining you to give Randle real props. That crow delicious huh :lol:


I like players who are actually able to hit their incentives.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#138 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:22 pm

robillionaire wrote:
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F N 11 wrote:Julius all star clause, why he’s an iron man, and why he wants to make playoffs lol.

2022: LTBE: $2,376,000 ($1,188,000 All-Star roster + $1,188,000 65 GP AND Playoff), ULTBE: $0


Julius can put up great stats all year long but IMO an All Star is clutch when it counts. Julius completely falls apart at the end of most games. Now he's just stat padding to get that bonus money. Can't hate on him for trying to get that bag but let's be real about him.


That’s pocket change for Randle he doesn’t need that money he’ll probably donate it to the garden of dreams foundation lol


More like he'll spend it on a penthouse garden terrace his wife is dreaming of. Terrible people.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

Post#139 » by Buttah304 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:29 pm

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robillionaire wrote:
Enzo954 wrote:
Julius can put up great stats all year long but IMO an All Star is clutch when it counts. Julius completely falls apart at the end of most games. Now he's just stat padding to get that bonus money. Can't hate on him for trying to get that bag but let's be real about him.


That’s pocket change for Randle he doesn’t need that money he’ll probably donate it to the garden of dreams foundation lol


More like he'll spend it on a penthouse garden terrace his wife is dreaming of. Terrible people.


Good. As long as he’s not messing up his marriage we might be able to see this version of Randle.

Last year was like getting a root canal & your wisdom teeth out using a hammer minus the pain meds.

He probably went to one too many R&T spots in Manhattan circa 2021-2022.
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Re: PG: KNICKS Close out the Cavs 

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