76ciology wrote:Mr Peanut wrote:76ciology wrote:
How does Duren has a higher offense floor? Williams has better pts per 36 and shows more promise as a shooter.
And defensively, Williams projects to be an elite rim protector, elite in deflections and elite rebounder.
I know how impressive Duren’s physique and athleticism is. But Mark Williams’ got elite length (he’s got a longer standing reach than Bol bol) and has great mobility and athleticism for his size.
You're actually quoting points per 36 for a guy playing 13 minutes per game against predominantly backups? That's bold.
He’s not playing against back-ups recently. He played when Sengun, Okongwu/Capela (both started) and Kessler/Vando (both started) were on the floor in his last 3 games where he averaged 12ppg 4.7rpg 1.7spg and 2.7bpg
Both guys are averaging almost the same number of points despite Mark Williams playing almost half Duren’s minutes.
Duren’s only edge is his superb rebounding. Mark Williams has the edge on rim protection/blks, steals and pts.
Mark Williams has been better than Duren, until proven otherwise which is not impossible.
Im not a Hornets fan. So you can also count me out for being bias.
OK, so he is logging some minutes against starters. Doesn't change the fact that the stats you're deriving are from a fairly limited sample size. He's only played in 17 games and a total of 237 minutes. That's less than a quarter of total minutes than Duren has played this season.
The PPG argument is somewhat irrelevant - Duren is playing the majority of his minutes with starters (i.e. greater offensive talents who require more touches/shots) whereas Williams is playing with the bench where he can throw up a shot to his heart's content. A prime example of this type of misleading stat is Alec Burks on the Pistons bench averaging 13 ppg in 22 mins. If we started him and he played 36 minutes I doubt those numbers extrapolate out to him now scoring 22 ppg where his role and shot attempts would be quite different.
I'm not saying Williams hasn't played well in his limited minutes. But Duren has clearly had the better rookie season, and mine isn't a singular opinion. That is reflected in both the media rookie rankings and will be clear when the All-Rookie teams are released at the end of the season.
All of this while being mindful of the fact that Duren is a full two years younger than Williams.