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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#121 » by Jstock12 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:22 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Although I really love the idea of acquiring a 2nd late first or early 2nd to possibly use on Grant Nelson (budget Markannen/Kirilenko) for our long term core 3/4 development.

So is it Markkanen or Kirilenko? :D Since aside from them both being white, their games were polar opposite. :D Markkanen is a great jumpshooting big with below average defense and not much playmaking, while Kirilenko was a legit DPOY candidate throughout the first half of his career and was a great passer, but not much of a shooter.
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#122 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:06 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:Although I really love the idea of acquiring a 2nd late first or early 2nd to possibly use on Grant Nelson (budget Markannen/Kirilenko) for our long term core 3/4 development.

So is it Markkanen or Kirilenko? :D Since aside from them both being white, their games were polar opposite. :D Markkanen is a great jumpshooting big with below average defense and not much playmaking, while Kirilenko was a legit DPOY candidate throughout the first half of his career and was a great passer, but not much of a shooter.


I'm sorry man, I probably should of elaborated a big more on that aspect. You're absolutely right about them being polar opposites in style of play and skillset obviously. Markannen being very versatile offensively and Kirilenko being a high energy swiss army knife much better defensively and in terms of underrated playmaking. I think on a very base level, Nelson falls somewhere in the middle of both players abilities, but obviously needing more development to reach those comps more closely. So overall what I was speaking to perspectively was in them both being very fluid, mobile and versatile bigs for their size being able to do a lot for their size and playmaking more like wing/ forwards than traditional bigs. And being capable of doing a multitude of things on the court due to their skillset versatility.

But to focus more individually on what (I just happen personally see in Grant in comparison to each)

Similarities to Markannen

Grant's abilities to score from three ( although shooting needs more polish/ development). Ability to put the ball in the deck and get to the rim, score in the post and just offensive versatility overall. Whether it dunks, 3PT floor spacing potential, post scoring, is scoring. The base indicators are present there.

Similarities to Kirilenko

Grant aside from being long, skinny, and lanky is ( in my personal perspective) similar to Kirilenko in that he's versatile, high energy, plays with intensity defensively (at times, will need more growth/ discipline here of course), He similarly can be disruptive defensively all over the court, making deceptive quick recovery plays and energizing blocks out of nowhere similar to what Kirilenko would do. Similar to Kirilenko, Grant is also a very quick dunker that can energize his teammates with deceptive dunks that you aren't expecting. Like Kirelenko, he utilizes his ballhandling to get to the rim well for his size and is crafty in the post. Like Kirelenko he can be a swiss army knife type of player that fills up the stat sheet in multiple categories ( when he's focused). Like Kirelenko had, he's got a long, lanky frame with a long wingspan and uses his versatility and intensity to make plays ( whether offensively or defensively) when you least expect it and out of nowhere at times. But do to the skinny, slight frame their are of course potential injury concerns you'd have for both upon their entrance into the league.

Now to be clear, obviously Nelson currently isn't on either player's level yet, and I realize that my comps here are to be considered somewhat outrageous and outlier most likely. HOWEVER, I still do ( for my part) do see a mix of both player's outlier attributes and versatile skillsets/ abilities present in Nelson. And of course he'll need significant development and dedication to get to those projection archs. But he shares subtle aspects/ parallels (currently) to both player's unique versatilities in my opinion. Which is wherein I find confidence in those comps. :D
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#123 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:07 am

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This kid doesn't really like passing, but he can flat out score like Durant! He's got legitimate star potential BECAUSE he has that irrational confidence similar to the Lukas, Booker's, Kobe's, Curry's, etc. He just has no fear!

And he just happens to be from Michigan too. Hearing me on this Mr Ishbia? 6'9 very shifty star potential volume scoring wing in the mid to late 2nd.
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#125 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:32 am

Another great VERY UNDERRATED 2nd round guard option with absolute high end lead guard potential:
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Post#126 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:19 am

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I mentioned him previously as a 2nd round draft option for backup 4/5 depth off the bench. Really his only weakness is no 3 PT shot yet. But this just shows how ridiculously flush with high end value this draft is well into the 2nd round!
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Post#127 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:38 am

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This guy is at the top of my list if we end up with a late 20's 1st.
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#128 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:28 pm

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Gosh! I really hope that the suns are in on this guy in the 2nd round as that elusive elite microwave scorer we've been missing for so long!
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Post#130 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 29, 2023 7:44 pm

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2nd round swing with really intriguing upside! :nod:
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Post#131 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:43 pm

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This is yet another example of why I keep saying this draft is flush with value throughout the entire 2nd round and even into the late 2nd and undrafted ranges. To be a great/elite franchise always on the cusp of a title, you need to be able to maximize value extraction from ALL AVAILABLE COST CONTROLLED avenues available to you to supplement core talent. Having a top tier scouting staff and talent evaluators/ consultants (whatever) as well as top tier development system (G league team) to farm and develop this talent to be utilized either as impact contributors or as key value assets in trades. We need to capitalize on these things much better than we have been doing. :nod:
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Post#132 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 1, 2023 7:26 pm

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So much great value even in the 2nd round ranges!
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#133 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 8, 2023 8:36 pm

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Since we'll likely be picking in the late first and mid to late 2nd rounds of the draft, Here's some info on very interesting under the radar options in the 2nd round to undrafted ranges!
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#134 » by kennydorglas » Thu Feb 9, 2023 2:44 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#135 » by darmani » Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:30 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#136 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:09 pm

kennydorglas wrote:RIP GOK
We may never draft another player agian

LOL! We will though man. Especially considering our imminent financial situation. The draft, especially the 2nd round to undrafted range will become even more critically important towards acquiring COST CONTROLLED (negotiated contract terms) for supplemental talent influx to our core. Also it'll be incredibly important towards potential inclusionary asset development to accentuate value in trade packages towards sustainable competitiveness. Because the simple truth is (as illustrated by the recent trend in the league) that young cost controlled talent carries much more perceived value based upon potential and remaining upside to outplay initial contract scales in contrast to vet minimum options have perceived capped out value over their tenure resulting in them only carrying/possessing minimum market value based on limited or capped upside as known commodities.

This new owner will realize this if he doesn't already and will seek to upgrade our scouting and developmental resources in order to extract maximum value in correlation to the above premise. :D
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#137 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:18 pm

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Due diligence for sure! But I wonder if they're aware of the other Keyontae playing for Kansas State that has really gone under the radar and is actually been very impressive and in a very similar mold to george of Baylor???
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=keyonte-george--keyontae-johnson
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Re: 2023 Draft & NCAA season Discussion 

Post#138 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:30 pm

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One of my top 3 2nd round guard options that should absolutely be available to us in the 2nd round to undrafted range!

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Post#139 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:19 am

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Another really good 3 & D small wing/forward that could somewhat fill what we lost from Mikal! Although there'll never be another Mikal, This kid or Caleb McConnell (Rutgers- Better Playmaking) or Leaky Black ( North Carolina- Herb Jones 2.0) would all be very strong development 3 & D options with elite defensive wing potential. All of these considerations also absolutely available in the 2nd round to undrafted range for absolute value premise!!
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Post#140 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:08 am

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This kid is really impressive and perhaps someone we should really keep an eye on if ever available in a range of the draft to us as a prospect that can be mentored by Durant possibly??
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