Tank World Order (10.0) The Empire Strikes Back

[God Squad]

out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.

Consistently? Hitting on at least ONE of them would have helped, even if bench production. I never once said they had to be allstars, stop projecting to create an argument for yourself. Highest pick being 29th? We traded the 20th pick for the 33th pick, so that's also on the front office.

These are results. It is what it is.

yeah if only we had TyTy Washington.

Typical deflect.

[wegotthabeet]

Plus in order to truly succeed while being a "treadmill", we need/needed to do better drafting late IMO.

22 - Koloko = okay or good
21 - Banton/Johnson = fail
20 - Flynn/Jalen = fail
19 - Dewan = acceptable Fail

We haven't drafted a serviceable keeper in a while tbh other than Barnes and OG. Can't treadmill, while not drafting well and still expect positive results.

out of the guys you listed the highest pick was 29th. you can't realistically expect to hit on late 1st rounders + 2nd rounders consistently. some of you guys got spoiled when we drafted Pascal. it is not the norm to draft all-nba caliber players late in drafts like that.

Right, we have had low picks and thus cannot expect high probability of hitting on good players.

The only good hit we have had is Scottie Barnes, and we had the ability to select him because we had a high draft pick - which came from a losing Tampa season.

The current roster needs more talent. So combining the above two points the conclusion is: we need to lose this season to get a high draft pick 2023.

exactly.

[wegotthabeet]

Consistently? Hitting on at least ONE of them would have helped, even if bench production. I never once said they had to be allstars, stop projecting to create an argument for yourself. Highest pick being 29th? We traded the 20th pick for the 33th pick, so that's also on the front office.

These are results. It is what it is.

yeah if only we had TyTy Washington.

Typical deflect.

bruh, even though our championship team had no lottery picks on it, it was still built with lottery picks. we used 5 lottery picks to build out that roster. anything after 20 is completely luck and not much else.

DeMar (9th) - Ross (8th) - Pöltl (9th) - Valančiūnas (5th) - 12th overall for Lowry.

build an argument around not needing multiple lottery picks otherwise you're not saying anything of value.

[DelAbbot]

Comrades, I think we are on the same side...

[God Squad]

yeah if only we had TyTy Washington.

Typical deflect.

bruh, even though our championship team had no lottery picks on it, it was still built with lottery picks. we used 5 lottery picks to build out that roster. anything after 20 is completely luck and not much else.

DeMar (9th) - Ross (8th) - Pöltl (9th) - Valančiūnas (5th) - 12th overall for Lowry.

build an argument around not needing multiple lottery picks otherwise you're not saying anything of value.

I don't even know wtf you're talking about.

[God Squad]

Comrades, I think we are on the same side...

No clue what he's talking about.

Like at all .

[wegotthabeet]

Comrades, I think we are on the same side...

No clue what he's talking about.

Like at all .

it's not that hard to understand.

you're complaining about not hitting on 2nd round picks. i'm telling you that it's unrealistic to expect that.

you think there's some great rotation player we missed out on from pick 20 to 33 in last year's draft. i'm telling you that wasn't the case.

[God Squad]

Comrades, I think we are on the same side...

No clue what he's talking about.

Like at all .

it's not that hard to understand.

you're complaining about not hitting on 2nd round picks. i'm telling you that it's unrealistic to expect that.

you think there's some great rotation player we missed out on from pick 20 to 33 in last year's draft. i'm telling you that wasn't the case.

Well if you choose to "compete and Retool" on the fly. You better hope you're maximizing your picks wherever they fall. Since you're not drafting in the lottery. & Obviously 2nd round picks are harder to hit. But we hit on NONE. So it affects our ability to retool on the fly. If we managed to hit on Flynn we'd have a serviceable backup. Now I'm TwO and think we need picks, but our retool on the fly hasn't been good anyway you slice it.

Yes, drafting a prospect ranked in the 20 range is better than drafting prospect at 33. Are you serious? IMO that is a prime spot to get a quality player while still being a competitive team.

My point is if you're retooling you need to maximize your draft slot frp/SRP to round out your team. Especially that 15-25 range IMO.
Missing on picks with a team trying to compete & fill out the roster are setbacks.

[tripa]

Tomorrow is a guaranteed blowout loss. I think the tank gets back on track quickly

[tripa]

Also you guys gotta stop having a mental breakdown after every win. Look at the bigger picture - the team stinks.

[will]

Also you guys gotta stop having a mental breakdown after every win. Look at the bigger picture - the team stinks.

Team stinks enough to play for the play in

No mans land.

[720]

Watch on YouTube

Aside from the first one being a lucky shot everything else was money. Amazing to watch.

[Zeno]

Will Gordon Hayward blow up the Hornets tank? They are 8-15 with him. 5-21 without. They beat the Hawks and are in a tight one with the Bulls right now. They won’t catch us and they handed us two Ws without him. But if he somehow stays healthy and they were dumb enough not to shut him down they will win 26ish games.

[WuTang_CMB]

bulls suck

[Zeno]

bulls suck

I don’t know if it is accurate but I just googled the Hornets record with both Hayward and leMelo and It had them one game under .500. If that holds the rest of the season they could be staring down a 30 win season. Still hard to catch. But I’m not sure we beat them twice with both playing.

[ConSarnit]

No clue what he's talking about.

Like at all .

it's not that hard to understand.

you're complaining about not hitting on 2nd round picks. i'm telling you that it's unrealistic to expect that.

you think there's some great rotation player we missed out on from pick 20 to 33 in last year's draft. i'm telling you that wasn't the case.

Well if you choose to "compete and Retool" on the fly. You better hope you're maximizing your picks wherever they fall. Since you're not drafting in the lottery. & Obviously 2nd round picks are harder to hit. But we hit on NONE. So it affects our ability to retool on the fly. If we managed to hit on Flynn we'd have a serviceable backup. Now I'm TwO and think we need picks, but our retool on the fly hasn't been good anyway you slice it.

Yes, drafting a prospect ranked in the 20 range is better than drafting prospect at 33. Are you serious? IMO that is a prime spot to get a quality player while still being a competitive team.

My point is if you're retooling you need to maximize your draft slot frp/SRP to round out your team. Especially that 15-25 range IMO.
Missing on picks with a team trying to compete & fill out the roster are setbacks.

This is a terrible argument. You’re arguing we “missed” because 2nd rounds picks from 2021 and 2022 haven’t developed yet? Do you see how dumb and premature it is to make that argument? Also, please provide the names of the players taken after Banton and Koloko who would be rotation players considering we haven’t been “maximizing our picks” as you put it.

And of course you always leave out Barnes, who we strategically tanked to get. Maybe we should have pushed for the playoffs in 2021 so we could have drafted Keon Johnson instead so we could have maximized that “15-25” range. Unfortunately we ended up with the ROY (which of course you want to completely ignore in your retooling argument because it shoots a giant hole in it).

[CoinTossRoss31]

Knicks win is good for the tank.
Bulls really suck, losing to CHA is bad but we will see if the gap becomes smaller with LaMelo and Hayward back.

We can still lose the next 3 straight.

[DelAbbot]

Let us all get on this treadmill, my friends, there is room for everyone!

replying here before you hijack my poll like Fred hijacks our offense and turn it into a treadmill vs two bash thread

[DelAbbot]

Knicks win is good for the tank.
Bulls really suck, losing to CHA is bad but we will see if the gap becomes smaller with LaMelo and Hayward back.

We can still lose the next 3 straight.

I need this optimism

[God Squad]

it's not that hard to understand.

you're complaining about not hitting on 2nd round picks. i'm telling you that it's unrealistic to expect that.

you think there's some great rotation player we missed out on from pick 20 to 33 in last year's draft. i'm telling you that wasn't the case.

Well if you choose to "compete and Retool" on the fly. You better hope you're maximizing your picks wherever they fall. Since you're not drafting in the lottery. & Obviously 2nd round picks are harder to hit. But we hit on NONE. So it affects our ability to retool on the fly. If we managed to hit on Flynn we'd have a serviceable backup. Now I'm TwO and think we need picks, but our retool on the fly hasn't been good anyway you slice it.

Yes, drafting a prospect ranked in the 20 range is better than drafting prospect at 33. Are you serious? IMO that is a prime spot to get a quality player while still being a competitive team.

My point is if you're retooling you need to maximize your draft slot frp/SRP to round out your team. Especially that 15-25 range IMO.
Missing on picks with a team trying to compete & fill out the roster are setbacks.

This is a terrible argument. You’re arguing we “missed” because 2nd rounds picks from 2021 and 2022 haven’t developed yet? Do you see how dumb and premature it is to make that argument? Also, please provide the names of the players taken after Banton and Koloko who would be rotation players considering we haven’t been “maximizing our picks” as you put it.

And of course you always leave out Barnes, who we strategically tanked to get. Maybe we should have pushed for the playoffs in 2021 so we could have drafted Keon Johnson instead so we could have maximized that “15-25” range. Unfortunately we ended up with the ROY (which of course you want to completely ignore in your retooling argument because it shoots a giant hole in it).

Well obviously I left Barnes out because he 100% came from tanking. I'm talking about picks in the 20+ range where you are still "competing/retooling on the fly". But I personally wouldn't have traded down from 20. If you don't maximize your picks wherever they fall you're doomed for failure. Lets look at picks after Banton who could help this team.
1. Aaron Wiggins
2. BJ Boston
3. Jericho Sims
4. Charles Bassey
Maybe - Filip Petrusev

I have no doubt the first four would help bolster our bench. Now in 22' I like the Koloko pick, but I would have gone Branham or Blake Wesley in the 1st at the time. In the 2nd I also liked Kendall Brown ,Bryce Mcgowens, Procida and Diabate.