Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Danimals]

I think it’s important to consider how a trade impacts the next couple seasons. Dlo has stepped up big offensively, and it’s been needed. However, KAT will take that role as 1B scorer when he returns. Then point of attack defense, limiting turnovers, and controlling pace is what we need at PG. We also need to upgrade everything about our 6th man. We need to use the resources currently going to Dlo to fill those two needs. Reid, Nowell, and Forbes can add a little value and some additional salary matching to make it happen. We need a PG and a SG/SF under at least one more year of team control and costing no more than about $35 million in total salary. We don’t want to be stuck paying Dlo, Reid, or Nowell on their next contracts because it will be poor use of limited resources.

[Guest84]

I think it’s important to consider how a trade impacts the next couple seasons. Dlo has stepped up big offensively, and it’s been needed. However, KAT will take that role as 1B scorer when he returns. Then point of attack defense, limiting turnovers, and controlling pace is what we need at PG. We also need to upgrade everything about our 6th man. We need to use the resources currently going to Dlo to fill those two needs. Reid, Nowell, and Forbes can add a little value and some additional salary matching to make it happen. We need a PG and a SG/SF under at least one more year of team control and costing no more than about $35 million in total salary. We don’t want to be stuck paying Dlo, Reid, or Nowell on their next contracts because it will be poor use of limited resources.

I assume this will become Kyle Anderson's role with a full roster. Whether or not an upgrade would still be needed is something to consider.

[Danimals]

Ya, I guess sixth man was not the right language. I really mean 3rd scorer/bench scoring. We need a massive upgrade on Nowell’s role.

[Norseman79]

These trades and teams that are rumored to be interested in Dlo, Naz, etc. It's all fun, but here is the bottom line, we need 1 of three things back. 1. Starters on long-term deals 3+ years. 2. Young prospect with bird rights and clear role. 3. Draft picks.

Some of the teams rumored to be interested in Dlo - Suns, Mavs, Clips:

Suns starts and ends with Bridges or 1rsts. No way I am sending Dlo to pair with Booker without getting something proven back.

Clips can offer Mann and maybe Boston and picks.

Mavs have picks and that's about it. I like Hardaway, but if I am taking him I want picks as well.

Now Naz is a little lower as far as price goes, but not much. Again, teams rumored to be interested include: Clips, Nugs, Nets

Clips have a couple of guys like Coffee, Boston, Diabate that I would take as part of a package with picks (protected 1 or simple 2nds)

Nugs are similar to Suns and Dlo, that saying I am not giving them Naz without getting something back.Hyland and a lotto protected first minimum.

Nets, well...draft picks is about all I could see here.

Plenty of people are going to say that we can't let them just leave for nothing and they're right. However, I'm not going to send them to a division rival for nothing.

[theGreatRC]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

Trade Naz for the best package, really hoping for Bones or Mann, but even two 2nds is better than nothing. I think Nowell is too much of a hot/cold player to rely on him so I think we need another guard from a Naz trade.

[MN7725]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

Trade Naz for the best package, really hoping for Bones or Mann, but even two 2nds is better than nothing. I think Nowell is too much of a hot/cold player to rely on him so I think we need another guard from a Naz trade.

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he's having his most efficient season ever
doubtful he would have interest in that, even if Wolves re-signed him for what he is currently getting or near it

[Domejandro]

Suns starts and ends with Bridges or 1rsts. No way I am sending Dlo to pair with Booker without getting something proven back.

Clips can offer Mann and maybe Boston and picks.

Mavs have picks and that's about it. I like Hardaway, but if I am taking him I want picks as well.

Now Naz is a little lower as far as price goes, but not much. Again, teams rumored to be interested include: Clips, Nugs, Nets

Clips have a couple of guys like Coffee, Boston, Diabate that I would take as part of a package with picks (protected 1 or simple 2nds)

Nugs are similar to Suns and Dlo, that saying I am not giving them Naz without getting something back.Hyland and a lotto protected first minimum.

Nets, well...draft picks is about all I could see here.

Plenty of people are going to say that we can't let them just leave for nothing and they're right. However, I'm not going to send them to a division rival for nothing.

Going one-by-one (I'm bored and don't have work today)...

D'Angelo Russell:
Mikal Bridges is definitely not on the table for D'Angelo Russell; that is comparable to trading Jaden McDaniels for Mike Conley. Picks are always interesting, but I am not convinced that Minnesota wants to crater their team this season, especially when improving a team they are competing with to make the Playoffs. If a trade with Phoenix happens, I would expect a discussion around Chris Paul.

Clippers have a lot of interesting salary pieces, but I'd definitely need to see the full package before being convinced it is worthwhile. They have the most interesting collection of salaries.

Dallas Mavericks are another scary team to deal with (given the standings), but if Minnesota can fleece a couple picks out of them, you'd have to do it.

I still think Miami is an interesting trading partner worth noting. Beyond the Kyle Lowry + 1st for D'Angelo Russell trade, there are some weird hypotheticals.

Naz Reid:
I think one of the names you mentioned plus two seconds would be fair. Honestly, I'm not too crazy about those prospects and would prefer adding value to get Terance Mann, but I'm not fully convinced that Mann is on the table for Naz Reid. One note is that Diabate is on a two-way deal, which complicates the trade a bit (Minnesota would have to finaggle around already having two players on two-way deals, at the time of trade).

Gotta be honest, this valuation is wildly off. Bones Hyland for Naz Reid straight-up is more than fair, given that Bones Hyland has two more seasons under team control. Asking for additional picks (especially a first!) is way off-the-mark. Straight-up I think it is a pretty interesting option.

I think if Minnesota is dealing Naz Reid to Brooklyn, they are looking at something like two seconds + minimum player. Ideally, it would be nice to exchange a young piece with another team, but I think this is a decent avenue.

[wolves_89]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

Trade Naz for the best package, really hoping for Bones or Mann, but even two 2nds is better than nothing. I think Nowell is too much of a hot/cold player to rely on him so I think we need another guard from a Naz trade.

Read on Twitter

he's having his most efficient season ever
doubtful he would have interest in that, even if Wolves re-signed him for what he is currently getting or near it

I'll be a bit surprised if there is anyone interested in signing Russell for more than $25M/year. As long as the relationship doesn't turn bad, I could see the Wolves letting DLO explore free agency and then re-signing him once he's accepted what a realistic next contract looks like.

[thinktank]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

Trade Naz for the best package, really hoping for Bones or Mann, but even two 2nds is better than nothing. I think Nowell is too much of a hot/cold player to rely on him so I think we need another guard from a Naz trade.

Read on Twitter

he's having his most efficient season ever
doubtful he would have interest in that, even if Wolves re-signed him for what he is currently getting or near it

I'll be a bit surprised if there is anyone interested in signing Russell for more than $25M/year. As long as the relationship doesn't turn bad, I could see the Wolves letting DLO explore free agency and then re-signing him once he's accepted what a realistic next contract looks like.

I could see DLo taking that same money elsewhere.

[wolves_89]

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he's having his most efficient season ever
doubtful he would have interest in that, even if Wolves re-signed him for what he is currently getting or near it

I'll be a bit surprised if there is anyone interested in signing Russell for more than $25M/year. As long as the relationship doesn't turn bad, I could see the Wolves letting DLO explore free agency and then re-signing him once he's accepted what a realistic next contract looks like.

I could see DLo taking that same money elsewhere.

That would be the risk. I don't get the impression that there are any significant issues between DLO and the Wolves, he just wants more than Minnesota wants to pay. The Wolves could let other teams set the market and then go slightly above the best offer he gets.

[moss_is_1]

Dlo isn't going to take a bench role. We aren't getting a stud like Bridges for him. Doubt we'll even be able to get a first round pick unless we are taking back some bad money.

We are almost certainly not getting a 1st rounder back for Naz.

[shrink]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

I agree, DLo would make a terrific sixth man. He could provide bench scoring push (on his good-DLo days),he could organize the second unit, spread the floor to make it easier for them, and he could create his own shot late in the shot clock when the offense broke down.

The problem is even if DLo was willing to accept a sixth man role, he’d never accept being paid like a sixth man, which is likely a deal starting around the MLE or less.

If we wanted to keep him around, we could maybe overpay him next year, but we definitely couldn’t afford it two years from now, when Towns and Ant’s max deal is added to Rudy’s. Too deep in the lux.

[wolves_89]

I think we should re-sign DLO and have him be our super 6th man next season and have SloMo be our "PG" or at least another ball handler next to Ant.

I agree, DLo would make a terrific sixth man. He could provide bench scoring push (on his good-DLo days),he could organize the second unit, spread the floor to make it easier for them, and he could create his own shot late in the shot clock when the offense broke down.

The problem is even if DLo was willing to accept a sixth man role, he’d never accept being paid like a sixth man, which is likely a deal starting around the MLE or less.

If we wanted to keep him around, we could maybe overpay him next year, but we definitely couldn’t afford it two years from now, when Towns and Ant’s max deal is added to Rudy’s. Too deep in the lux.

I don't think he needs to be the 6th man to fill that role. Let him start and then rotate him out early so he can play with the second unit. Seems like they did that a fair amount last season. I don't see any problem giving DLO a Wiggins level deal, I think he would be tradable at that price point (probably even a bit of positive value if he can play anywhere close to the level he's been at the last couple of months).

[Danimals]

I’d be fine with him playing 16 mins/game as the nominal starting PG and another 16 mins backing up Ant at the 2, for about $20 million a year. But how do we fill the other 32 mins a game at PG? With a Reid trade? Resign PatBev? And there is no chance Dlo signs for $20 million a year.

[shrink]

If we want to play point-Ant, the other guard starter should be a defender.

We might lose some early games with Ant as a main playmaker (with help from SloMo and KAT). But to me, that’s just an investment we should make in Edwards.

[shrink]

Any interest in Naz for Killian Hayes?

Former #7 pick, but he really hasn’t shown why in his first 2.5 years. Usually GM’s would say, “just you wait,” but with Cade and Ivey in front, they are very unlikely to pay him next summer, and he might even struggle for minutes next year in DET.

[Neeva]

Are Gobert and Hayes close?

[minimus]

Any interest in Naz for Killian Hayes?

Former #7 pick, but he really hasn’t shown why in his first 2.5 years. Usually GM’s would say, “just you wait,” but with Cade and Ivey in front, they are very unlikely to pay him next summer, and he might even struggle for minutes next year in DET.

I saw some stats saying that Hayes might grow into elite defender. I'd do this trade but I am not sure about his contract situation. He is former 7th pick, his contract is not cheap (and extension won't be cheap as well?)

[shrink]

Any interest in Naz for Killian Hayes?

Former #7 pick, but he really hasn’t shown why in his first 2.5 years. Usually GM’s would say, “just you wait,” but with Cade and Ivey in front, they are very unlikely to pay him next summer, and he might even struggle for minutes next year in DET.

I saw some stats saying that Hayes might grow into elite defender. I'd do this trade but I am not sure about his contract situation. He is former 7th pick, his contract is not cheap (and extension won't be cheap as well?)

Good points.

He’s $5.8 this year (so I guess we’d be including Forbes?) and $7.4 next year since his the Pistons picked up his team option. I think that’s something we can afford under the lux, and gives us some matching salary next year if we needed to trade it. I like the fact that he’s a restricted free agent, so we’d have some team control and the ability to match offers the flowing summer if he was to finally emerge.

That said, I don’t know if Connelly would be interested in Hayes. In fact, my own interest may just be a knee-%jerk reaction to 20 years of Timberwolves, going after upside over basketball skill. ::shrug::

[Klomp]

The problem is even if DLo was willing to accept a sixth man role, he’d never accept being paid like a sixth man, which is likely a deal starting around the MLE or less.

What sixth men are paid the MLE or less? You're talking $15 million at the bare minimum.