WT: Raptors have been offered 3 FRPs for OG (Smh its just the Knicks)

[Pointgod]

I'm not even a fan of these Knicks picks. They have the following. But some turn into second rounders if they don't convy by a certain point.
Mavs 23' - Top 10 prot
Pistons 23' - top 18 prot
Wizards 23' - top 14 prot

Bucks 25' - top 5 prot

Not the greatest.

I thought the Knicks were absolute morons to trade a lottery pick for 3 guaranteed to be non lottery picks. Imagine how good they’d look with Jaylen Williams or Jalen Duran locked up for 4 more years on a rookie contract.

[God Squad]

So my guess was right. It was the Knicks that offered 3 first for OG.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2260345

Those of you that figured it was the Knicks were right. I'm just not a fan of those picks personally. even though its "3 FRP", they're not that desirable IMO. Too much protection on them for my liking.

I tend to think first round picks are overrated because they’re essentially anything you want them to be until you find out where the pick lands. The Pistons and Wizards picks might never convey, the Bucks and Dallas pick might get you decent starters/role players. Where it becomes interesting is the Knicks own picks. If you could get one or two of those unprotected along with one they they’re owned from another team plus another piece then that trade becomes interesting because the Knicks are an incompetent organization and if you push those picks far enough there’s probably a good probability one of them lands in the lottery.

Yeah, it looks like (if talk are true) that the Knicks are the leaders for OG. But you really never know. Just last summer Ainge used New York as leverage in order for Cleveland to up their offer for Donovan Mitchell. Knicks thought it was a sure thing, until it wasn't.

Hopefully Masai pulls of something spectacular.

[ChillPill]

Of all the potential trade partners, I still think Portland has the highest potential FRPs. Not for this year, but moving forward.

[NotMyKawhi]

I'm not even a fan of these Knicks picks. They have the following. But some turn into second rounders if they don't convy by a certain point.
Mavs 23' - Top 10 prot
Pistons 23' - top 18 prot
Wizards 23' - top 14 prot

Bucks 25' - top 5 prot

Not the greatest.

I thought the Knicks were absolute morons to trade a lottery pick for 3 guaranteed to be non lottery picks. Imagine how good they’d look with Jaylen Williams or Jalen Duran locked up for 4 more years on a rookie contract.

I don't think those picks are guaranteed to be non lottery picks. I'd bet they'd all end up in the 10-20 range, most likely 10-15. By 2027 its very lucky the pistons will get better and they won't move from bottom 5 to top 10 in the league. The wiz were 10th pick last year.

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[alienchild]

The deal was probably fine with the Raptors but OG probably didnt like the team he was being sent to.

OG's opinion would be irrelevant. And the deal was not fine with the Raptors.

[douggood]

Of all the potential trade partners, I still think Portland has the highest potential FRPs. Not for this year, but moving forward.

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028

[Pointgod]

Those of you that figured it was the Knicks were right. I'm just not a fan of those picks personally. even though its "3 FRP", they're not that desirable IMO. Too much protection on them for my liking.

I tend to think first round picks are overrated because they’re essentially anything you want them to be until you find out where the pick lands. The Pistons and Wizards picks might never convey, the Bucks and Dallas pick might get you decent starters/role players. Where it becomes interesting is the Knicks own picks. If you could get one or two of those unprotected along with one they they’re owned from another team plus another piece then that trade becomes interesting because the Knicks are an incompetent organization and if you push those picks far enough there’s probably a good probability one of them lands in the lottery.

Yeah, it looks like (if talk are true) that the Knicks are the leaders for OG. But you really never know. Just last summer Ainge used New York as leverage in order for Cleveland to up their offer for Donovan Mitchell. Knicks thought it was a sure thing, until it wasn't.

Hopefully Masai pulls of something spectacular.

Wonder if the Knicks would ever do something like Mitch Robinson, Rose + 3 TBD picks for OG/Birch/Otto Porter’s corpse. I’d be good with a 3 headed Center rotation of Mitch, Precious and Koloko over giving up a good player just to pay Poeltl 20 million. Mitch’s contract starts at 15 million and decreases. Rose is out of the Knicks rotation and is a good back up to Fred plus he has a team option.

OG fits the Knicks defensive philosophy. They could start Hartenstein, Sims as back up and Birch as 3rd string. I think they’ve bought in on Robinson though, so they might say **** no to this trade.

I think from both sides it all hinges on the picks though.

[ChillPill]

Of all the potential trade partners, I still think Portland has the highest potential FRPs. Not for this year, but moving forward.

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028

So they don't have their picks? I'm confused.

[douggood]

Of all the potential trade partners, I still think Portland has the highest potential FRPs. Not for this year, but moving forward.

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028

So they don't have their picks? I'm confused.

its complicated for them to trade picks, and its unlikely they will have 3 picks to trade.

they can trade picks, but i will have to worded "2 years after giving pick to chicago" and also lets say portland misses the playoffs this year, max they can trade is 2 picks and they might miss next year as well, its unlikely you will get 3 picks because of the protections.

any trade with portland is built around sharpe.

[Pointgod]

I'm not even a fan of these Knicks picks. They have the following. But some turn into second rounders if they don't convy by a certain point.
Mavs 23' - Top 10 prot
Pistons 23' - top 18 prot
Wizards 23' - top 14 prot

Bucks 25' - top 5 prot

Not the greatest.

I thought the Knicks were absolute morons to trade a lottery pick for 3 guaranteed to be non lottery picks. Imagine how good they’d look with Jaylen Williams or Jalen Duran locked up for 4 more years on a rookie contract.

I don't think those picks are guaranteed to be non lottery picks. I'd bet they'd all end up in the 10-20 range, most likely 10-15. By 2027 its very lucky the pistons will get better and they won't move from bottom 5 to top 10 in the league. The wiz were 10th pick last year.

i

Look at the protections below. Washington and Detroit picks are all top 1-9 protected. Both those teams are either going to continue to be lottery teams or improve enough to be in the playoffs. And they can always decide to tank at any point to keep the pick. Unless you think Giannis is going to retire in the next two years, there’s zero chance the Bucks pick is lottery. The Knicks had a 12th pick and will basically hope for a lot of luck to get a pick that’s at best 9th (I’m ignoring the Bucks pick in this situation) in a future unknown draft.

Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York

Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York

Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished)

[Pointgod]

Portland's 1st round pick to Chicago protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-14 in 2024, 1-14 in 2025, 1-14 in 2026, 1-14 in 2027 and 1-14 in 2028

So they don't have their picks? I'm confused.

its complicated for them to trade picks, and its unlikely they will have 3 picks to trade.

they can trade picks, but i will have to worded "2 years after giving pick to chicago" and also lets say portland misses the playoffs this year, max they can trade is 2 picks and they might miss next year as well, its unlikely you will get 3 picks because of the protections.

any trade with portland is built around sharpe.

Portland can also remove the protections from the picks. So they could remove the protection for the Bulls pick this year and trade 25,26,27,28,29,30 as long as it’s not back to back. But you’re right functionally they can’t trade future picks without the Bulls agreeing to removing the protection (which they would)

[douggood]

So they don't have their picks? I'm confused.

its complicated for them to trade picks, and its unlikely they will have 3 picks to trade.

they can trade picks, but i will have to worded "2 years after giving pick to chicago" and also lets say portland misses the playoffs this year, max they can trade is 2 picks and they might miss next year as well, its unlikely you will get 3 picks because of the protections.

any trade with portland is built around sharpe.

Portland can also remove the protections from the picks. So they could remove the protection for the Bulls pick this year and trade 25,26,27,28,29,30 as long as it’s not back to back. But you’re right functionally they can’t trade future picks without the Bulls agreeing to removing the protection (which they would)

so portland will have to agree to give up a unprotected lotto pick to chicago this year
and then give 3 picks to raptors

(also 2030 picks are not allowed to be traded right now)

[NotMyKawhi]

I thought the Knicks were absolute morons to trade a lottery pick for 3 guaranteed to be non lottery picks. Imagine how good they’d look with Jaylen Williams or Jalen Duran locked up for 4 more years on a rookie contract.

I don't think those picks are guaranteed to be non lottery picks. I'd bet they'd all end up in the 10-20 range, most likely 10-15. By 2027 its very lucky the pistons will get better and they won't move from bottom 5 to top 10 in the league. The wiz were 10th pick last year.

i

Look at the protections below. Washington and Detroit picks are all top 1-9 protected. Both those teams are either going to continue to be lottery teams or improve enough to be in the playoffs. And they can always decide to tank at any point to keep the pick. Unless you think Giannis is going to retire in the next two years, there’s zero chance the Bucks pick is lottery. The Knicks had a 12th pick and will basically hope for a lot of luck to get a pick that’s at best 9th (I’m ignoring the Bucks pick in this situation) in a future unknown draft.

Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York

Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York

Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished)

With Cade, Ivey, Duran, Bey and a top 5 pick in 2023 I find it hard to believe that team will stay bottom 10 for the next 5 years.

[ItsDanger]

Some of these protection conditions seem ridiculous at this point. League needs to step in and provide strict parameters.

[Pointgod]

its complicated for them to trade picks, and its unlikely they will have 3 picks to trade.

they can trade picks, but i will have to worded "2 years after giving pick to chicago" and also lets say portland misses the playoffs this year, max they can trade is 2 picks and they might miss next year as well, its unlikely you will get 3 picks because of the protections.

any trade with portland is built around sharpe.

Portland can also remove the protections from the picks. So they could remove the protection for the Bulls pick this year and trade 25,26,27,28,29,30 as long as it’s not back to back. But you’re right functionally they can’t trade future picks without the Bulls agreeing to removing the protection (which they would)

so portland will have to agree to potentially give up a unprotected lotto pick to chicago this year
and then give 3 picks to raptors

(also 2030 picks are not allowed to be traded right now)

Well yeah, but not sure Portland would give 3 picks for OG even thought he’s exactly what the team needs on the perimeter. But it actually makes more sense to remove the protections for the Bulls pick because the thinking is that OG should help them at worst make the play in which means the Bulls get a pick in the 11-14 range. But from the Portland perspective they’d be losing 4 picks for OG when you factor in the Bulls pick. No bueno

If I was them I’d keep Sharpe out of any trades unless it’s for a superstar and try to move Anfernee Simons because the small, non defensive backcourt is just never going to work.

[WuTang_CMB]

Knicks aint getting OG lol

Only guy Masai would trade him for is Trey Murphy.

[Basketball_Jones]

Yeah maybe they can actually win a game against us for once if this trade went down

[MikeM]

This is the absolute pinnacle of sell high territory. An insane precedent sent by Gobert trade plus OG's peak value before his contract comes up plus so many suitors in a wide open championship landscape.

Opening offer we received seems like 3 firsts. Which means.. we will hold him.

[Duffman100]

This is the absolute pinnacle of sell high territory. An insane precedent sent by Gobert trade plus OG's peak value before his contract comes up plus so many suitors in a wide open championship landscape.

Opening offer we received seems like 3 firsts. Which means.. we will hold him.

Especially when it's 3 protected 1sts that could ultimately become 2nds.

[dagger]

So they don't have their picks? I'm confused.

its complicated for them to trade picks, and its unlikely they will have 3 picks to trade.

they can trade picks, but i will have to worded "2 years after giving pick to chicago" and also lets say portland misses the playoffs this year, max they can trade is 2 picks and they might miss next year as well, its unlikely you will get 3 picks because of the protections.

any trade with portland is built around sharpe.

Portland can also remove the protections from the picks. So they could remove the protection for the Bulls pick this year and trade 25,26,27,28,29,30 as long as it’s not back to back. But you’re right functionally they can’t trade future picks without the Bulls agreeing to removing the protection (which they would)

Also, with a lot of these conditional picks, changing protection, even knowing whether they can convey this year or next, won'y be known until after the lottery, so they won't be in play at the trade deadline.