Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[ChillPill]

I'd rather keep Fred than trade for Ayton.

[Yeezus_]

Watch Klutch and Lebron get Fred to force his way to LA in a sign in trade with us getting Russell or some other crap players back. Need to trade him before Klutch has leverage

Yall acting like Klutch is forcing everyone to play with Lebron. That's incredibly inaccurate. Klutch wouldn't be who they are today if they had agendas to appease Lebron only. They've always done what's best for the players and got them the most money possible. Literally what you want out of a good agent or any job you pursue.

[Yeezus_]

Ayton would be more dominate if he didn't pick and pop so often. Idk why he loves to do that when he has the talent to dominate inside.

[mademan]

If you guys actually watched ayton, none of you would want him. Dude has a low motor. I would hate to pay 35mill for a C that checks out as easily as he does. He's a strong talent, but he just doesnt care enough

[StopitLeo]

if the alternative is giving Fred the same kind of contract, sure, I'll trade him for Ayton. He's younger, helps at a position where we're weak, and has upside. But I think there are better deals out there where we don't have to lock ourselves into taking back that kind of longterm money for a player, hoping he'll improve to the level where he'll live up to it. That gamble has paid off with Pascal, but there are a lot of examples in the league where it hasn't.

I agree. With Ayton you have to accept that what you see is what you get. He’s in his 5th year and has hardly shown any meaningful improvement since being drafted.

This is such a blatant lie lol Ayton has sacrificed so much for his team and they screwed him when it was time to return the faith. He's disengaged because he doesn't want to be there but he has shown considerable improvement YOY until Sarver got cheap.

How has he sacrificed and where is the improvement?

[Rodrickle]

If you guys actually watched ayton, none of you would want him. Dude has a low motor. I would hate to pay 35mill for a C that checks out as easily as he does. He's a strong talent, but he just doesnt care enough

Yes, but he's clearly checked out this year, upset about the Suns matching the Pacers contract. Look at his play in the playoffs, particularly when he played in the finals. He played really well. He's not motivated right now. If you can get him for FVV/Boucher, I think you do it. I'm confident he'll get back to where he was once he has a change in scenery. He's not a number one option, but he's a solid starting centre that can score and protect the rim when motivated. Those are not easy to find.

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Ayton would be more dominate if he didn't pick and pop so often. Idk why he loves to do that when he has the talent to dominate inside.

The Suns are 8-1 when Ayton doesn't play. Last night, he was back in the lineup and they promptly lose. He does some things well, but I don't like the vibes he gives off. He ought to be a perennial all-star, instead he's more like someone who brings it when he feels like it.

[mademan]

If you guys actually watched ayton, none of you would want him. Dude has a low motor. I would hate to pay 35mill for a C that checks out as easily as he does. He's a strong talent, but he just doesnt care enough

Yes, but he's clearly checked out this year, upset about the Suns matching the Pacers contract. Look at his play in the playoffs, particularly when he played in the finals. He played really well. He's not motivated right now. If you can get him for FVV/Boucher, I think you do it. I'm confident he'll get back to where he was once he has a change in scenery. He's not a number one option, but he's a solid starting centre that can score and protect the rim when motivated. Those are not easy to find.

He's a 30 mill role playing C. you dont pay those guys that kind of money. And while he did have a good defensive season the year they made the finals, he's been pretty bad this year.

Trading for guys on big contracts who's effort has fallen off a cliff right after they got paid.....thats scary. Which is all moot anyways as he can veto any trade.

[alpngso]

Ayton's contract isn't actually bad though. 3 years, in his prime, from 32-25 million per year and that's not even considering the fact the cap will be going up fairly significantly over that time and when the TV deal gets renegotiated.

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

[Los_29]

Not sure why Bamba is this highly sought after piece. He's really incredibly meh.

7 footer
Still only 24 years old
Can hit a 3 pointer, so spaces the floor more than a Jakob P
Has a club option for next year so short commitment
That 1 year gives Koloko more time to develop...can play in 905 for bigger minutes
Cheap....costs half as much as Jakob

And it's not the least bit alarming the the Magic acquired CarterJr to take this role, reduced his minutes this year and didn't lock him up long term?

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrlandoMagic/comments/tbvscb/whats_the_matter_with_mo_bamba/

Just one of the many posts I've found that aligns with what I've seen when watching. When I see 'motor issues' mentioned consistently, I tend to get wary.

Bamba is just not a good player. The fact a young team doesn't see him as part of their future is concerning.

[RaptorLakerJay]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

I think that offer is actually not bad for an expiring FVV. Only thing I'd suggest is have them put in Suggs, Ross, and Isaac. We can include Birch, and Juancho/Banton.

[Fairview4Life]

Ayton's contract isn't actually bad though. 3 years, in his prime, from 32-25 million per year and that's not even considering the fact the cap will be going up fairly significantly over that time and when the TV deal gets renegotiated.

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

[Rodrickle]

If you guys actually watched ayton, none of you would want him. Dude has a low motor. I would hate to pay 35mill for a C that checks out as easily as he does. He's a strong talent, but he just doesnt care enough

Yes, but he's clearly checked out this year, upset about the Suns matching the Pacers contract. Look at his play in the playoffs, particularly when he played in the finals. He played really well. He's not motivated right now. If you can get him for FVV/Boucher, I think you do it. I'm confident he'll get back to where he was once he has a change in scenery. He's not a number one option, but he's a solid starting centre that can score and protect the rim when motivated. Those are not easy to find.

He's a 30 mill role playing C. you dont pay those guys that kind of money. And while he did have a good defensive season the year they made the finals, he's been pretty bad this year.

Trading for guys on big contracts who's effort has fallen off a cliff right after they got paid.....thats scary. Which is all moot anyways as he can veto any trade.

There's obviously some risk to this, but he averages 17 and 10 without even barely trying. With his low value, this is a risk similar to the Warriors made trading for Wiggins which ended up getting them a championship. With his lower perceived value, we could get him possibly without picks and a change of scenery could do wonders for him.

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[Tor_Raps]

Just get Turner + stuff while trading Fred in a 3 way trade.

Trent/OG/Barnes/Siakam/Turner is the lineup we need to see with Precious coming off the bench for anyone.

[mademan]

Yes, but he's clearly checked out this year, upset about the Suns matching the Pacers contract. Look at his play in the playoffs, particularly when he played in the finals. He played really well. He's not motivated right now. If you can get him for FVV/Boucher, I think you do it. I'm confident he'll get back to where he was once he has a change in scenery. He's not a number one option, but he's a solid starting centre that can score and protect the rim when motivated. Those are not easy to find.

He's a 30 mill role playing C. you dont pay those guys that kind of money. And while he did have a good defensive season the year they made the finals, he's been pretty bad this year.

Trading for guys on big contracts who's effort has fallen off a cliff right after they got paid.....thats scary. Which is all moot anyways as he can veto any trade.

There's obviously some risk to this, but he averages 17 and 10 without even barely trying. With his low value, this is a risk similar to the Warriors made trading for Wiggins which ended up getting them a championship. With his lower perceived value, we could get him possibly without picks and a change of scenery could do wonders for him.

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Like someone else mentioned, Suns are 8-1 without him this season. He doesnt figure into winning. He'd be awesome for Embiid, but beyond that, i dont really see his value here.

[Raptaurus]

Ayton is still young and will still only be 27 when his contract expires. He is a good center when he is actually engaged. For FVV and filler, it is quite tempting to make that trade. Lots of risk of course but how else would the Raptors acquire a good center without depleting the team of assets? If try to get Poetl or Turner, we have to give up two First round picks at least.

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[Los_29]

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Ya, he gambled and tried to score more points this year to the detriment of the team, when the team was trying to give Scottie more ball-handling responsibilities.

This makes all sense that Fred would want the max out of free agency from wherever. Jalen Brunson left LUKA DONCIC for NY!

Fred must be traded.

His usage is lower than last year.

[alpngso]

Ayton's contract isn't actually bad though. 3 years, in his prime, from 32-25 million per year and that's not even considering the fact the cap will be going up fairly significantly over that time and when the TV deal gets renegotiated.

plz no. i just threw up little thinking of Ayton playing for us making 35 mil a year for the next 4 years
He's not a rim protector, just a pull up machine in chiseled 7'0" frame. hard pass.

Siakam to Suns trade must include Mikal rather than Ayton as the main package

He's not making 35 million per year for the next four years. He's making:

2023-24 $32,459,438
2024-25 $34,005,126
2025-26 $35,550,814

When he's 25, 26 and 27 years old. And no one wants to trade Siakam to the Suns for either of those two guys do they? Someone brought up Fred to the Suns.

ok so he makes 33.5M x 4 years. still too expensive. you also have to factor in Chris Paul effect. Raps do not have that guy on to help him on PnR or pop situations

[sidsid]

I don’t know if anyone has proposed this but how about

Toronto trades
FVV
Flynn

Orlando trades
Bamba
Harris
Hampton
2nd rd pick

This is horrendous.

I think that offer is actually not bad for an expiring FVV. Only thing I'd suggest is have them put in Suggs, Ross, and Isaac. We can include Birch, and Juancho/Banton.

There's the lack of leverage problem with the Magic, so I'm wondering if they'd be a candidate for the FVV/Gary package. They can't get them both in FA, so that opens the leverage.

Isaac would be the haul to complete the vision but I just don't see them giving him up.