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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#381 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:36 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Anyway that game was lost with the god awful late first early second quarter second unit play. Horrendous.

They need to add a piece or two, get Booker back and then settle on a 9 man rotation. This playing 12 guys and hope something works has been necessary with the injuries but its got to end before the playoffs.

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What was going on with the bench during that run? Why were Ish and Okogie taking so many shots while Lee, the best 3 point shooter, took none?


Other than one 'what the hell are you doing' drive and floater I thought Okogie was wide open and shot shots he should take they just didn't go in. Ish I don't know, looking at the box score I was surprised he took 5 shots because it didn't remember them. Saric was terrible in his little stretch he played.

That specific run the suns just looked disjointed in general. Probably because they have a 10 day guy trying to run the O.

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There was a sequence of about 4 b2b offensive possessions where it ended up with Ish taking three shots from behind the arc. I get if he's open, he needs to shoot it to keep the defense "honest" but the fact that we couldn't muster a better offense than 3 Ish 3's is nothing short of uninspiring. Even worse is Lee taking zero shot attempts. That just can't happen. It's exactly like the playoffs, we took the shots that the Mavs wanted us to take
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Post#382 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:38 pm

sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ayton was sick and missed 3 games. Came back and gave you 19 and 20 still. Anyone hating on Ayton get it together.

Did you watch the game?
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#384 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:39 pm

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ayton was sick and missed 3 games. Came back and gave you 19 and 20 still. Anyone hating on Ayton get it together.


Not sure if you watched the whole game (not being a dick).
He played a team with no bigs and most of his rebounds were uncontested. He got the rebounds he should have gotten. Nothing impressive about it.


I don't understand the no bigs comments. Powell played 36 minutes. He is a C. The najority of rebounds in general are uncontested. But he got 7 offensive rebounds as well. Those are not uncontested. Teams don't ignore defensive rebounds. Anyway, carry on.
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I'd prefer Russell for his size, playmaking and connection with Booker. :nod:

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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#386 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:52 pm

sunsfan1o1 wrote:Jaylen Brown missed 2 FTs to win the game. Went 8/22 and had a crucial turnover dribbling the ball off his foot. Let me guess. He sucks too right. Lmao


Actually the weird thing is Boston fans are split on him in a similar way to Ayton. There is a group that hates him. A Celtics mod who is also a GB mod talks about it.
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#387 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:54 pm

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Jaylen Brown missed 2 FTs to win the game. Went 8/22 and had a crucial turnover dribbling the ball off his foot. Let me guess. He sucks too right. Lmao

I'll take Brown over 22 all day everyday. 22 plays with no heart and Brown is elite. What are you going say next, D.A better than Jokic and K.D


I mean, most people would take Brown over him...Brown is probably an all star. He would be perfect to add to team.

And sunsfan101 was obviously being sarcastic.
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#388 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:00 pm

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Come on now. Luka's better. I can't stand the guy and will say that. Hell, he might be the best player in the league and imo should be the MVP this year.

Booker's probably the best SG....Luka is probably the best overall player.


OK, but missing Book is pretty big too, especially when you are missing your two backup guards.

Anyway, I don't know what Monty was thinking with that bench. He really was mad about the bench play. Right when Ish checked in for Bridges (Okogie and Biz had just checked in a little earlier), it was 32-24, and they went on a 10-0 run before Cam hit a 3 and Ayton checked back in.


We 1,000% should have beat this team tonight. They were without Luka and Wood. We were missing Book, which matters but not as much as them missing Luka matters for them. Payne being back might help but doesn't really move the needle much. In my opinion Shamet being out is a plus for us.

Monty's rotations make no sense. The only valid explanations I can come up with now that we have most people back are:

1) He's doing the Pop thing of trying to get everyone some time and experience so they're ready if they need to be called upon. Which I actually think is good. But it shouldn't be happening all in one game, and overall it probably shouldn't be happening with more than a few players over any particular 20 game period. I know the injuries required some weird rotations but they're just seems to be no pattern or consistency to it. Jock and Biz are a good example. What's the pattern there? Biz will get sat after having a great game. Same with Jock. If you're going to try and give both of them burn give them at least 10 games straight of the same role before you swip swap

2) He's trying to do a "hot hand" and/or effort thing, but that seems impossible since he often ices the people with the "hot hand" like I mention above. And there's plenty of games I've seen where some guy just doesn't have it but Monty keeps playing him. And I'm referring to the bench guys, I know that there's different considerations for starters.

3) It's for trade purposes. Trying to show other teams what guys have got in the tank. This is the only one I might buy

I don't claim to be the best analyst, I'm just a super fan. But too often to me it looks like Monty doesn't have a plan. I don't necessarily want him or Jones to get **** by Ishbia, but I'm not convinced we couldn't do better either. What good is "good culture" when it results in historic playoff no-shows and a team who's fans are frequently complaining won't play hard or act like they care? Any voice can eventually be tuned out.


True (Luka more important than Book(, but missing Book, Payne AND Shamet, means that when Paul rests we don't have another primary ball handler. I don't know why Lee was in there. Washington at least should have been in there the whole time Paul sat at least. Lee shouldn't have gotten a shot.

But neither guy is Dinwiddie. So them missing Luka but having Dinwiddie playing 40 minutes is a nice backup. Probably one of the best, or could start. That's important.
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#389 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:05 pm

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I agree with what you said hear in its entirety man. And yes, both things can absolutely be true! It's just tiresome that so many around here can exhaustingly find fault with Ayton over any loss we have yet never find themselves capable of mentioning any other players being accountable or contributing negatively to the loss. Sure Ayton struggled last night and missed shots he'd normally make. But do not all players experience nights like that? Sure his defense was bad last night. But which players on our team actually showed good focus or defensive engagement last night defensively? Aside from Ayton, Johnson, Paul and to a smaller degree Bridges too which players showed up/ showed out and offered supportive production to foster a win???

For anyone unsure about this consideration, all they'd have to do is look at the boxscore or the tweet I shared referencing this. I just can't fault Ayton for this solely when he clearly still put up a double/ double and his rebounding efforts kept us in the game DESPITE PLAYING SICK. The point is struggling or not, at least he showed up and put forth much better effort and rebounding that many have complained about for so long! How much did Lee, Okogie, Saric, or the rest of our bench contribute last night again??

This is where our game was lost. In our short 4 game win streak, we won because our bench stepped up and helped carry the load. As Williams said himself in the post game conference, THE TEAM didn't want it as much as the suns did. And that's the simple truth about this team. There are nights wherein we don't show up and play with any urgency. This was just another example of those existing issues. That falls on our coach to have ready, focused in and engaged for games. He didn't have us ready. And maybe he shouldn't have played Ayton as much knowing he still wasn't 100% but he ( our coach) made that choice to play him that much. And at least Ayton put in significant effort and production when the rest of our team obviously didn't bother showing up at all!!!

Johnson, Paul, Ayton, and to a slightly lesser degree Brodges ( off night) deserve credit for showing up and fighting and offering solid effort and production towards a win. Those are positives still. But the rest of our complimentary cast ( bench) were completely MIA last night. And we lost by a small margin due to that! So both of those things can ge true as well. Ayton is not yet what we had hoped for, and for sure he can be a frustrating player at times. But last night's loss was not due to him solely, but the team not staying engaged as a whole. And that's my point here.
Totally get it. Ayton talk gets exhausting around here. I know personally I'm sick of thinking about, talking about him, and him in general. It's been 5 years, it is what it is.

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I agree here. I mostly want Ayton gone too at this point. Not because I think he sucks, but just because it's not gonna happen here. It'd be nice to move the conversation along some without every thread devolving into pro and anti Ayton posters going back and forth. Lord knows I'm sick of posting the same thing over and over again. Both sides will never convince the other...we need to just move on.


Yeah, the biggest reason I would want him gone is to make the boards more readable. It's like a broken record.

While obviously people don't want him to play poorly so they will be right (which has been suggested), I do think many would love him gone even if it made our team worse. Not necessarily in a vacuum knowing that but they would take a bad trade just to get rid of him which would be obvious at the time it would make the team worse.
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Post#390 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:18 pm

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ayton was sick and missed 3 games. Came back and gave you 19 and 20 still. Anyone hating on Ayton get it together.


Not sure if you watched the whole game (not being a dick).
He played a team with no bigs and most of his rebounds were uncontested. He got the rebounds he should have gotten. Nothing impressive about it.


I don't understand the no bigs comments. Powell played 36 minutes. He is a C. The najority of rebounds in general are uncontested. But he got 7 offensive rebounds as well. Those are not uncontested. Teams don't ignore defensive rebounds. Anyway, carry on.
Well to be fair some of those offensive rebounds were 'Valanciunas specials' where he was tipping his own miss up there.

Completely agree on defensive rebounds, why I've been saying for years it's not a stat I really care about.

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Post#391 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:22 pm

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Not sure if you watched the whole game (not being a dick).
He played a team with no bigs and most of his rebounds were uncontested. He got the rebounds he should have gotten. Nothing impressive about it.


I don't understand the no bigs comments. Powell played 36 minutes. He is a C. The najority of rebounds in general are uncontested. But he got 7 offensive rebounds as well. Those are not uncontested. Teams don't ignore defensive rebounds. Anyway, carry on.
Well to be fair some of those offensive rebounds were 'Valanciunas specials' where he was tipping his own miss up there.

Completely agree on defensive rebounds, why I've been saying for years it's not a stat I really care about.

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True, and his shooting was terrible but nice to see second efforts at that..to get the Oreb and try again.
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Post#392 » by Slim Charless » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:30 pm

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Jaylen Brown missed 2 FTs to win the game. Went 8/22 and had a crucial turnover dribbling the ball off his foot. Let me guess. He sucks too right. Lmao


Actually the weird thing is Boston fans are split on him in a similar way to Ayton. There is a group that hates him. A Celtics mod who is also a GB mod talks about it.


I think he's leaving at the earliest chance unless Boston gives him a supermax. Jaylen wants his own team...or at least more respect.
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Post#393 » by sunsfan1o1 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:31 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Totally get it. Ayton talk gets exhausting around here. I know personally I'm sick of thinking about, talking about him, and him in general. It's been 5 years, it is what it is.

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I agree here. I mostly want Ayton gone too at this point. Not because I think he sucks, but just because it's not gonna happen here. It'd be nice to move the conversation along some without every thread devolving into pro and anti Ayton posters going back and forth. Lord knows I'm sick of posting the same thing over and over again. Both sides will never convince the other...we need to just move on.


Yeah, the biggest reason I would want him gone is to make the boards more readable. It's like a broken record.

While obviously people don't want him to play poorly so they will be right (which has been suggested), I do think many would love him gone even if it made our team worse. Not necessarily in a vacuum knowing that but they would take a bad trade just to get rid of him which would be obvious at the time it would make the team worse.

It’s crazy though. They’ll say okogie was wide open he just missed shots he should make. But then turn around and say Ayton went 6/20 and missed so many shots he normally makes. He has no heart. Trade him.

No other Sun this season has gotten 20 rebounds other than Ayton. But he just gets the easy ones that come to him because his hands are made of basketball magnets. Lol. It’s really interesting to see that.

Just because he’s not Luka doncic they would rather have a worse player because they blame him for the suns choosing him or Luka.

It’s like the twilight zone on here.
Ayton is a really good player. Everyone has a bad game. It’s not that serious. He still gave you 20 rebounds. What else do you want 50? I mean damn. Anyone can go get an uncontested rebound so why didn’t they?
7 offensive rebounds. Who else gets that for this team?
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Post#394 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:38 pm

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I agree here. I mostly want Ayton gone too at this point. Not because I think he sucks, but just because it's not gonna happen here. It'd be nice to move the conversation along some without every thread devolving into pro and anti Ayton posters going back and forth. Lord knows I'm sick of posting the same thing over and over again. Both sides will never convince the other...we need to just move on.


Yeah, the biggest reason I would want him gone is to make the boards more readable. It's like a broken record.

While obviously people don't want him to play poorly so they will be right (which has been suggested), I do think many would love him gone even if it made our team worse. Not necessarily in a vacuum knowing that but they would take a bad trade just to get rid of him which would be obvious at the time it would make the team worse.

It’s crazy though. They’ll say okogie was wide open he just missed shots he should make. But then turn around and say Ayton went 6/20 and missed so many shots he normally makes. He has no heart. Trade him.

No other Sun this season has gotten 20 rebounds other than Ayton. But he just gets the easy ones that come to him because his hands are made of basketball magnets. Lol. It’s really interesting to see that.

Just because he’s not Luka doncic they would rather have a worse player because they blame him for the suns choosing him or Luka.

It’s like the twilight zone on here.
Ayton is a really good player. Everyone has a bad game. It’s not that serious. He still gave you 20 rebounds. What else do you want 50? I mean damn. Anyone can go get an uncontested rebound so why didn’t they?
7 offensive rebounds. Who else gets that for this team. Or another team.
Do you understand how there's different expectations for Ayton and Okogie? Seems like that should be a pretty simple concept but I guess judging from what you post maybe I'm expecting too much.

Also it's not just last night and it's not just missing some shots. It's 4+ years of frustration accumulated.

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Post#395 » by Jesus_H_Macy » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:55 pm

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OK, but missing Book is pretty big too, especially when you are missing your two backup guards.

Anyway, I don't know what Monty was thinking with that bench. He really was mad about the bench play. Right when Ish checked in for Bridges (Okogie and Biz had just checked in a little earlier), it was 32-24, and they went on a 10-0 run before Cam hit a 3 and Ayton checked back in.


We 1,000% should have beat this team tonight. They were without Luka and Wood. We were missing Book, which matters but not as much as them missing Luka matters for them. Payne being back might help but doesn't really move the needle much. In my opinion Shamet being out is a plus for us.

Monty's rotations make no sense. The only valid explanations I can come up with now that we have most people back are:

1) He's doing the Pop thing of trying to get everyone some time and experience so they're ready if they need to be called upon. Which I actually think is good. But it shouldn't be happening all in one game, and overall it probably shouldn't be happening with more than a few players over any particular 20 game period. I know the injuries required some weird rotations but they're just seems to be no pattern or consistency to it. Jock and Biz are a good example. What's the pattern there? Biz will get sat after having a great game. Same with Jock. If you're going to try and give both of them burn give them at least 10 games straight of the same role before you swip swap

2) He's trying to do a "hot hand" and/or effort thing, but that seems impossible since he often ices the people with the "hot hand" like I mention above. And there's plenty of games I've seen where some guy just doesn't have it but Monty keeps playing him. And I'm referring to the bench guys, I know that there's different considerations for starters.

3) It's for trade purposes. Trying to show other teams what guys have got in the tank. This is the only one I might buy

I don't claim to be the best analyst, I'm just a super fan. But too often to me it looks like Monty doesn't have a plan. I don't necessarily want him or Jones to get **** by Ishbia, but I'm not convinced we couldn't do better either. What good is "good culture" when it results in historic playoff no-shows and a team who's fans are frequently complaining won't play hard or act like they care? Any voice can eventually be tuned out.


True (Luka more important than Book(, but missing Book, Payne AND Shamet, means that when Paul rests we don't have another primary ball handler. I don't know why Lee was in there. Washington at least should have been in there the whole time Paul sat at least. Lee shouldn't have gotten a shot.

But neither guy is Dinwiddie. So them missing Luka but having Dinwiddie playing 40 minutes is a nice backup. Probably one of the best, or could start. That's important.


I don't know man... I understand the point you're trying to make...but is their 3rd string ball handler really that much better than ours?

I think maybe, despite how down on the team I am right now, might still think more of them than they really are. IMO if both of these teams are healthy we should wipe the floor with them 9 times out of 10, like we had been doing up until whatever the **** happened in the playoffs last year. Luka is inarguably better than Book if we're all going to be honest with ourselves, but I (perhaps foolishly) think that out of the top 10 players across both teams we have either seven or eight of them, and if Paul isn't cooked we at minimum have two of the best three if not 3-of-4 or 4-of-5. Take away their two best players and our best and, what 6th or 7th? best players, we have no excuse not to win.

And neither explanation for that makes me feel very good about the state of the team.... Either we are massive underachievers, whether because of some faults with the players or coaching or both... Or we just really aren't that good even at our best. If a fully healthy Suns is anything less than a heavy favorite against a fully healthy Mavs then Ishbia needs to elevate and detonate this team when he takes over, because Dallas is nowhere near championship quality.
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Post#396 » by sunsfan1o1 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:59 pm

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ayton was sick and missed 3 games. Came back and gave you 19 and 20 still. Anyone hating on Ayton get it together.

Did you watch the game?

I watched. Did you?
Sounds like you missed the part when Craig stuck his hand in the way and caused Ayton to fumble that last rebound that went to Powell. And then Craig shoves Ayton in the back that causes him to foul Powell.
I mean if you watched you saw it.

And if you’re an honest person you would say that’s why he couldn’t grab it. If you’re being factual that is.
If you’re not then you’re being dishonest and falling for the Ayton hate trap.

If you didn’t see that you should go look again.
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Post#397 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:09 am

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sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ayton was sick and missed 3 games. Came back and gave you 19 and 20 still. Anyone hating on Ayton get it together.

Did you watch the game?

I watched. Did you?
Sounds like you missed the part when Craig stuck his hand in the way and caused Ayton to fumble that last rebound that went to Powell. And then Craig shoves Ayton in the back that causes him to foul Powell.
I mean if you watched you saw it.

And if you’re an honest person you would say that’s why he couldn’t grab it. If you’re being factual that is.
If you’re not then you’re being dishonest and falling for the Ayton hate trap.

If you didn’t see that you should go look again.
Watched the whole game and rewatched the 4th quarter this morning. I never said we lost this game because Ayton missed a rebound, let Powell get through the back door multiple times or that he missed two dozen bunnies. I said we had multiple opportunities that were gifted to us and we weren't able to take advantage like Luka being out early and we had two guys closest to that critical rebound. It was a team loss but when DA is paid to be the man, he has to shoulder the responsibility that comes with being a max player just like Booker has to when we lose with him.

Let's not pretend Book/Cp3 as leaders and the go-to guys didn't get smashed after that Dallas series
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Post#398 » by sunsfan1o1 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:11 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:Did you watch the game?

I watched. Did you?
Sounds like you missed the part when Craig stuck his hand in the way and caused Ayton to fumble that last rebound that went to Powell. And then Craig shoves Ayton in the back that causes him to foul Powell.
I mean if you watched you saw it.

And if you’re an honest person you would say that’s why he couldn’t grab it. If you’re being factual that is.
If you’re not then you’re being dishonest and falling for the Ayton hate trap.

If you didn’t see that you should go look again.
Watched the whole game and rewatched the 4th quarter this morning. I never said we lost this game because Ayton missed a rebound, let Powell get through the back door multiple times or that he missed two dozen bunnies. I said we had multiple opportunities that were gifted to us and we weren't able to take advantage like Luka being out early and we had two guys closest to that critical rebound. It was a team loss but when DA is paid to be the man, he has to shoulder the responsibility that comes with being a max player just like Booker has to when we lose with him.

That’s cool. Just tell Craig get out the way next time.
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#399 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:13 am

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
sunsfan1o1 wrote:I watched. Did you?
Sounds like you missed the part when Craig stuck his hand in the way and caused Ayton to fumble that last rebound that went to Powell. And then Craig shoves Ayton in the back that causes him to foul Powell.
I mean if you watched you saw it.

And if you’re an honest person you would say that’s why he couldn’t grab it. If you’re being factual that is.
If you’re not then you’re being dishonest and falling for the Ayton hate trap.

If you didn’t see that you should go look again.
Watched the whole game and rewatched the 4th quarter this morning. I never said we lost this game because Ayton missed a rebound, let Powell get through the back door multiple times or that he missed two dozen bunnies. I said we had multiple opportunities that were gifted to us and we weren't able to take advantage like Luka being out early and we had two guys closest to that critical rebound. It was a team loss but when DA is paid to be the man, he has to shoulder the responsibility that comes with being a max player just like Booker has to when we lose with him.

That’s cool. Just tell Craig get out the way next time.

I already took blame away from DA for that one play, let's not go play by play because that was at least 50% DA's fault for allowing Powell to go around him and get to the ball
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Re: Game 50: Dallas Mavericks (25-24) @ Phoenix Suns (25-24) 

Post#400 » by Slim Charless » Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:29 am

sunsfan1o1 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
sunsfan1o1 wrote:I watched. Did you?
Sounds like you missed the part when Craig stuck his hand in the way and caused Ayton to fumble that last rebound that went to Powell. And then Craig shoves Ayton in the back that causes him to foul Powell.
I mean if you watched you saw it.

And if you’re an honest person you would say that’s why he couldn’t grab it. If you’re being factual that is.
If you’re not then you’re being dishonest and falling for the Ayton hate trap.

If you didn’t see that you should go look again.
Watched the whole game and rewatched the 4th quarter this morning. I never said we lost this game because Ayton missed a rebound, let Powell get through the back door multiple times or that he missed two dozen bunnies. I said we had multiple opportunities that were gifted to us and we weren't able to take advantage like Luka being out early and we had two guys closest to that critical rebound. It was a team loss but when DA is paid to be the man, he has to shoulder the responsibility that comes with being a max player just like Booker has to when we lose with him.

That’s cool. Just tell Craig get out the way next time.


While you're doing that, someone needs to tell Mikal to actually defend. Just once I'd like to see him shut another team's lead guy down. Since I have to hear about he's so much better than Ayton and is Kawhi 2.0....

This place has blinders on about Mikal and his deficiencies.

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