GG Jackson Thread

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GG put up 30 pts today on 10/21 shooting, with 4/8 from 3pt. Most of his offense was self-created. He also finished with 8 rebs, 2 blks and 1 stl against 16th-ranked Auburn. Not bad.

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[clyde21]

this play in particular was just absurd, looking like prime Melo here.

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[MemphisX]

this play in particular was just absurd, looking like prime Melo here.

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6'10 with 3 point range. With the right organization, he has a chance, with the wrong one it might be ugly for awhile.

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From a week ago...

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[babyjax13]

Sometimes I worry with his shot selection that there is some kind of Josh Smith outcome. I love the physical profile and some of the tools, and he is so young.

[clyde21]

Sometimes I worry with his shot selection that there is some kind of Josh Smith outcome. I love the physical profile and some of the tools, and he is so young.

if Josh Smith is a median outcome is that necessarily a bad thing tho? J Smoov was averaging 19/10/4 in his prime on pretty solid efficiencies for the era.

i also think Smith would be viewed more favorably in today's NBA vs 12 yrs ago.

[babyjax13]

Sometimes I worry with his shot selection that there is some kind of Josh Smith outcome. I love the physical profile and some of the tools, and he is so young.

if Josh Smith is a median outcome is that necessarily a bad thing tho? J Smoov was averaging 19/10/4 in his prime on pretty solid efficiencies for the era.

i also think Smith would be viewed more favorably in today's NBA vs 12 yrs ago.

Smith had like 3 seasons where his terrible shot selection didn't hurt his team, and I always thought the Hawks looked better without him.

[clyde21]

Sometimes I worry with his shot selection that there is some kind of Josh Smith outcome. I love the physical profile and some of the tools, and he is so young.

if Josh Smith is a median outcome is that necessarily a bad thing tho? J Smoov was averaging 19/10/4 in his prime on pretty solid efficiencies for the era.

i also think Smith would be viewed more favorably in today's NBA vs 12 yrs ago.

Smith had like 3 seasons where his terrible shot selection didn't hurt his team, and I always thought the Hawks looked better without him.

from 2007 to 2014 he average +5.2 On/Off for his teams. in his prime he was indisputably a + player. often got a bad rap at the time because it was weird seeing a 6-9 dude be so perimeter oriented in that era and made a lot of funny/weird things on the court but there was no doubt that he was solid for a good amount of time in his career.

if that's just GG's median outcome I don't see that as a bad thing at all imo.

[babyjax13]

if Josh Smith is a median outcome is that necessarily a bad thing tho? J Smoov was averaging 19/10/4 in his prime on pretty solid efficiencies for the era.

i also think Smith would be viewed more favorably in today's NBA vs 12 yrs ago.

Smith had like 3 seasons where his terrible shot selection didn't hurt his team, and I always thought the Hawks looked better without him.

from 2007 to 2014 he average +5.2 On/Off for his teams. in his prime he was indisputably a + player. often got a bad rap at the time because it was weird seeing a 6-9 dude be so perimeter oriented in that era and made a lot of funny/weird things on the court but there was no doubt that he was solid for a good amount of time in his career.

if that's just GG's median outcome I don't see that as a bad thing at all imo.

I think he was carried by having so many of his minutes overlap with Horford. He was a talented player, but his perimeter game was always a clear detriment to his team. He had no sense of shot selection, and was a bad shooter, too.

[mattao313]

Smith had like 3 seasons where his terrible shot selection didn't hurt his team, and I always thought the Hawks looked better without him.

from 2007 to 2014 he average +5.2 On/Off for his teams. in his prime he was indisputably a + player. often got a bad rap at the time because it was weird seeing a 6-9 dude be so perimeter oriented in that era and made a lot of funny/weird things on the court but there was no doubt that he was solid for a good amount of time in his career.

if that's just GG's median outcome I don't see that as a bad thing at all imo.

I think he was carried by having so many of his minutes overlap with Horford. He was a talented player, but his perimeter game was always a clear detriment to his team. He had no sense of shot selection, and was a bad shooter, too.

You are correct josh Smith was a low iq basketball player with horrible shot selection he literally made a career off his athleticism. As soon as his athleticism faded he was awful.

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[Catchall]

Sometimes I worry with his shot selection that there is some kind of Josh Smith outcome. I love the physical profile and some of the tools, and he is so young.

GG is pushing his envelope on some of his attempts, no doubt. However, if GG doesn't take some of those shots, his team won't get a look at all. SC is overmatched most nights, has very little spacing, and has only a couple other guys who can be considered decent shooters/scorers.

[Catchall]

I think GG's handle and aggressiveness give him a floor as a player that's above Jeff Green.

[CptCrunch]

GG Jackson is a reincarnation of Antawn Jamison.

Hope you can fix the talented and very young man before he turns into that black hole 2nd/3rd option for your team.

Typically, this archtype is worthless but GG seems to be high effort on defense so that's his saving grace.

I don't like him much and have him in the lower half of the 5-15th pick puddle. Reallistically, I don't see much a difference between 5 and 15 this draft.

[Catchall]

GG Jackson is a reincarnation of Antawn Jamison.

Hope you can fix the talented and very young man before he turns into that black hole 2nd/3rd option for your team.

Typically, this archtype is worthless but GG seems to be high effort on defense so that's his saving grace.

I don't like him much and have him in the lower half of the 5-15th pick puddle. Reallistically, I don't see much a difference between 5 and 15 this draft.

A 6'9", athletic, 2-way wing is far, far away from a worthless archetype.

[CptCrunch]

GG Jackson is a reincarnation of Antawn Jamison.

Hope you can fix the talented and very young man before he turns into that black hole 2nd/3rd option for your team.

Typically, this archtype is worthless but GG seems to be high effort on defense so that's his saving grace.

I don't like him much and have him in the lower half of the 5-15th pick puddle. Reallistically, I don't see much a difference between 5 and 15 this draft.

A 6'9", athletic, 2-way wing is far, far away from a worthless archetype.

There is no two way here, spotty offense with only defensive potential. Just athletic at this point.

I didn't add the word blackhole in the post above, but let me add it here. A ball/posession dominant player at 1.1 AST/2.1 TOV at 30% usage rate is not a good look and shows very limited star potentials. You could argue that this is not somehting you should expect near the late lotto, which is fine going for a role player prospect.

[Catchall]

GG Jackson is a reincarnation of Antawn Jamison.

Hope you can fix the talented and very young man before he turns into that black hole 2nd/3rd option for your team.

Typically, this archtype is worthless but GG seems to be high effort on defense so that's his saving grace.

I don't like him much and have him in the lower half of the 5-15th pick puddle. Reallistically, I don't see much a difference between 5 and 15 this draft.

A 6'9", athletic, 2-way wing is far, far away from a worthless archetype.

There is no two way here, spotty offense with only defensive potential. Just athletic at this point.

I didn't add the word blackhole in the post above, but let me add it here. A ball/posession dominant player at 1.1 AST/2.1 TOV at 30% usage rate is not a good look and shows very limited star potentials. You could argue that this is not somehting you should expect near the late lotto, which is fine going for a role player prospect.

You're talking about a HS-aged kid playing on a terrible team in the SEC. He was the #1 prospect in his HS class who jumped up. The fact that he's putting up 16/7 as the focal point of his team's offense, when his team is overmatched on a nightly basis is actually quite impressive. He's also a mobile, switchy defender.

He may get picked in the 9-13 range, in part because he's young, raw and an extra year away developmentwise, but I have him as a good prospect who is in the top 6 of this draft in terms of star potential.

[CP War Hawks]

if Josh Smith is a median outcome is that necessarily a bad thing tho? J Smoov was averaging 19/10/4 in his prime on pretty solid efficiencies for the era.

i also think Smith would be viewed more favorably in today's NBA vs 12 yrs ago.

Smith had like 3 seasons where his terrible shot selection didn't hurt his team, and I always thought the Hawks looked better without him.

from 2007 to 2014 he average +5.2 On/Off for his teams. in his prime he was indisputably a + player. often got a bad rap at the time because it was weird seeing a 6-9 dude be so perimeter oriented in that era and made a lot of funny/weird things on the court but there was no doubt that he was solid for a good amount of time in his career.

if that's just GG's median outcome I don't see that as a bad thing at all imo.

Yeah man Smoove was a pretty underrated player. For sure his offensive approach just turned people off, but he created so much plays for the Hawks in other areas. He was coached by Woodson who is a coaching clone of McMillian and his best pg was a way over the hill Bibby. In another system with a heady pg he would've been a multi all star.

[Catchall]

GG is skilled enough that if he could grow another inch (say, at least 6'9" w/o shoes) and get up to 225+ lbs, he should start to physically dominate. He'd be like Chimezie Metu physically, but with a tighter hander, better ability to get downhill and presumably a better jump shot.

[andyhop]

Would love to have seen him on a good team rather than on the trash one he is on, as how do you even begin to work out what part of his terrible play is down to him and what is down to being on a non-functional team

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Would love to have seen him on a good team rather than on the trash one he is on, as how do you even begin to work out what part of his terrible play is down to him and what is down to being on a non-functional team

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time you could have said the same thing about Anthony Edwards. He put up splits of 40/29/77 and averaged nearly 3 TOs for a non-competitive Georgia team in the same conference.

A team drafting GG is drafting him for his combination of size, athleticism and skill level, understanding that he's very young and will need two seasons to develop into something.