Build a Franchise (Season 6) Discussion thread continued

[El Poochio]

Embiid is a monster. I have nothing bad to say about him. Shoutout to Fat who got himself a superstar. Great work by him securing that for his franchise.

Got himself a superstar for garbage time minutes

Player happiness rating better be minus for GSW and Miami

I mean a lot of my categories will be low. Which affects money in the off-season which affects the ability to get better.

But all people see is “you sitting embiid to tank” as if I’m not taking hits elsewhere even me losing has a draw back.

But carry on

All we saying is to increase the penalty, you will still be able to sit whoever you want

[E-Balla]

When Your team just sucks and you dont have to sit players to secure losses.

There is a clear difference in terms of tearing down your team for future draft capital and longer term assets in turn tanking to roster manipulation and tanking. The former is very common in the NBA since you realistically can't have 30 teams competing for a chip.

I have had many of discussions about this at nuesiuem and nothing has changed so I just let it be if the league doesn't think it's a major issue. Do I think it's ideal for a the league no because you will start seeing what's happening now where does it stop? The back to back mvp runner up is now being rested to get a higher pick.

The potential knock of a bad FA rating doesn't seem like a deterrent.

This is why I think we need to weight the FA categories. Let's be real, not many FAs care about draft capital when deciding where to go... Actually, NO FAs care about draft capital when deciding where to go.

[NewEra]

Got himself a superstar for garbage time minutes

Player happiness rating better be minus for GSW and Miami

Player happiness went minus for NOP when you gave Ingram $2,260 over 4 years.

How so it should go up, they wanted me to pocket the $?

Just pulling your leg fam. Do what you want. Results win out every time.

[mpharris36]

You being a crazy hypocrite that’s all I’m pointing out. I been said I tanked for a month but still tried to win the rest of the season. Stop capping like you wasn’t trying to tank again the next season. I even approached you about that and you literally said you not even denying it. And it backfired when Wiseman had an anomaly of a year. Like you not fooling anyone when you admitted it to me yourself

To say you didn’t want Payton to get injured is just saying you didn’t want him to get you extra wins lmao

Y’all just look weird for trying to shame fat when y’all just as guilty.

Of course I didn't expect to win with an all rookie lineup. But I played everyone and when I had a surprise start to the year I traded 1st rounders to acquire RW and RJ to compete that year.

And if Payton got hurt I wouldn't of been able to trade him. It was like a couple games worth.

If you want to compare that to sitting a big named player for half a season so be it. It is what it is.

There is no rule against what anyone is doing I never said they can or can't do anything. I just have an opinion if you think I'm being a hypocrite because I sat Elfrid Payton down 2-3 games during a season before trading him...to a team playing a center at PG or sitting a superstar half a year then so be it. I see a clear difference.

My guy you benched RJ and Porter for the likes of a rookie Devin Vassell and Robert Williams. You was still trying to tank on the low and didn't even deny it to me. It all just backfired for you.

Considering you traded AD and Brown for weak packages to tank shamelessly, benched a SIM beast like Elfrid Payton who was playing like a damn near MVP candidate, benched Porter and RJ to come off the bench for much worse starters yeah I think you're being a massive hypocrite to me. It just ain't fair at all to Fat. Yall too worried about what other teams doing when yall pulled the same schit. It just looks weak to me.

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

[E-Balla]

To be honest tank or not you need to be good in this sim. Again my only issue is that the FA ratings don't punish tankers nearly enough. I pushed hard to have a good FA rating last year, won 43 games upsetting what people expected, and had a bottom 5 FA rating for it. That was some SUPER bull. Under no circumstances should tankers be over competitive teams in FA ratings.

[El Poochio]

Player happiness went minus for NOP when you gave Ingram $2,260 over 4 years.

How so it should go up, they wanted me to pocket the $?

Just pulling your leg fam. Do what you want. Results win out every time.

Got a message from my social media manager to you:

Read on Twitter

[E-Balla]

My opinion though. If fat had Embiid and a bunch of scrubs, I could kind of understand. But Embiid, Fox, Conley and Caleb Martin is a solid starting lineup.

I don’t think it’s so much about sitting players and tanking but WHO you’re sitting.

But do you Fat, the East don’t have to face Embiid this year so we’re chilling

This too. Let's be real Fatboy is in the East... He's easily making the playoffs if he plays at full strength. He's only 4 games out of the play in and let's be real when it comes to the actual talent of his team he has more talent than a squad I'm the 2nd best team in the league with. Zero excuses for why Embiid/Fox/Conley and a bunch of decent role players can't play at a 50 win pace the rest of the year.

[3toheadmelo]

Of course I didn't expect to win with an all rookie lineup. But I played everyone and when I had a surprise start to the year I traded 1st rounders to acquire RW and RJ to compete that year.

And if Payton got hurt I wouldn't of been able to trade him. It was like a couple games worth.

If you want to compare that to sitting a big named player for half a season so be it. It is what it is.

There is no rule against what anyone is doing I never said they can or can't do anything. I just have an opinion if you think I'm being a hypocrite because I sat Elfrid Payton down 2-3 games during a season before trading him...to a team playing a center at PG or sitting a superstar half a year then so be it. I see a clear difference.

My guy you benched RJ and Porter for the likes of a rookie Devin Vassell and Robert Williams. You was still trying to tank on the low and didn't even deny it to me. It all just backfired for you.

Considering you traded AD and Brown for weak packages to tank shamelessly, benched a SIM beast like Elfrid Payton who was playing like a damn near MVP candidate, benched Porter and RJ to come off the bench for much worse starters yeah I think you're being a massive hypocrite to me. It just ain't fair at all to Fat. Yall too worried about what other teams doing when yall pulled the same schit. It just looks weak to me.

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

Stop it man. You literally told me "I never suggested I wasnt trying to tank" when I approached you about you benching Payton and Fultz (who I also forgot to mention) for Frank. Like that's a full admittance.

Don't try to pull that E-balla stunt. You literally just said the team surprised you. Now you fronting like you knew what you was doing. Everyone knows you was trying to tank on the low and it backfired man. You had no choice but to play it off. Why deny it?

Look you can come up with every excuse in the book.. but you a tanker. End of story

[El Poochio]

To be honest tank or not you need to be good in this sim. Again my only issue is that the FA ratings don't punish tankers nearly enough. I pushed hard to have a good FA rating last year, won 43 games upsetting what people expected, and had a bottom 5 FA rating for it. That was some SUPER bull. Under no circumstances should tankers be over competitive teams in FA ratings.

We can do that too but I am sure Washington Wizards (just an example) wouldnt care about that teams FA rating who stole higher draft seed from them, so it doesnt really solve the issue

[br7knicks]

DN quitting? Wow

Wait. What?

I just need to know if ****'s about to go on sale, like the stock market, right now.

[Strick]

Read on Twitter

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Love to see him starting to get the recognition around the league. He’s easily one of the most fun players to watch in the league and is going to be very, very good

[HerSports85]

I know damn well Melo not in here making a case that benching RJ is apart of a great tank job. Saving this ..

RJ had a 3 star rating in the SIM. Vassell was just 2.5 stars averaging 8 PPG in the SIM. You can't even speak on this if you wasn't here.

Lol I’m just pointing out how you’re making an argument that RJ was vital to his team being a winning team



But to be fair, overall ratings don’t hold much weight

[Fat]

Just want to admit my intentions are truly bad for the game and I want to apologize for still giving zero Fuccs and just want you guys to know I respect everyone’s opinion and wish you the best of luck the rest of season

[E-Balla]

Of course I didn't expect to win with an all rookie lineup. But I played everyone and when I had a surprise start to the year I traded 1st rounders to acquire RW and RJ to compete that year.

And if Payton got hurt I wouldn't of been able to trade him. It was like a couple games worth.

If you want to compare that to sitting a big named player for half a season so be it. It is what it is.

There is no rule against what anyone is doing I never said they can or can't do anything. I just have an opinion if you think I'm being a hypocrite because I sat Elfrid Payton down 2-3 games during a season before trading him...to a team playing a center at PG or sitting a superstar half a year then so be it. I see a clear difference.

My guy you benched RJ and Porter for the likes of a rookie Devin Vassell and Robert Williams. You was still trying to tank on the low and didn't even deny it to me. It all just backfired for you.

Considering you traded AD and Brown for weak packages to tank shamelessly, benched a SIM beast like Elfrid Payton who was playing like a damn near MVP candidate, benched Porter and RJ to come off the bench for much worse starters yeah I think you're being a massive hypocrite to me. It just ain't fair at all to Fat. Yall too worried about what other teams doing when yall pulled the same schit. It just looks weak to me.

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

Yeah I'll cosign this. That was the year I joined (I took over the team right before the trade deadline) and I studied how Wiseman got so many touches and used those same strats to get Moses Brown and now Jarrett Allen touches. Regardless of star rating Vassell was better than RJ that year.

[Capn'O]

I know damn well Melo not in here making a case that benching RJ is apart of a great tank job. Saving this ..

RJ had a 3 star rating in the SIM. Vassell was just 2.5 stars averaging 8 PPG in the SIM. You can't even speak on this if you wasn't here.

Lol I’m just pointing out how you’re making an argument that RJ was vital to his team being a winning team



But to be fair, overall ratings don’t hold much weight

Melo backpedaling like

[mpharris36]

My guy you benched RJ and Porter for the likes of a rookie Devin Vassell and Robert Williams. You was still trying to tank on the low and didn't even deny it to me. It all just backfired for you.

Considering you traded AD and Brown for weak packages to tank shamelessly, benched a SIM beast like Elfrid Payton who was playing like a damn near MVP candidate, benched Porter and RJ to come off the bench for much worse starters yeah I think you're being a massive hypocrite to me. It just ain't fair at all to Fat. Yall too worried about what other teams doing when yall pulled the same schit. It just looks weak to me.

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

Stop it man. You literally told me "I never suggested I wasnt trying to tank" when I approached you about you benching Payton and Fultz (who I also forgot to mention) for Frank. Like that's a full admittance.

Don't try to pull that E-balla stunt. You literally just said the team surprised you. Now you fronting like you knew what you was doing. Everyone knows you was trying to tank on the low and it backfired man. You had no choice but to play it off. Why deny it?

Look you can come up with every excuse in the book.. but you a tanker. End of story

No point in arguing. I tanked by trades in one year never denied that. You coming at me for my 50 win playoff year because questioning my rotations that got me to 50 wins playoffs make you sound ridiculous.

Probably the reason your still confused why Tatum can't score you more than 10 PPG.

[3toheadmelo]

I know damn well Melo not in here making a case that benching RJ is apart of a great tank job. Saving this ..

RJ had a 3 star rating in the SIM. Vassell was just 2.5 stars averaging 8 PPG in the SIM. You can't even speak on this if you wasn't here.

Lol I’m just pointing out how you’re making an argument that RJ was vital to his team being a winning team



But to be fair, overall ratings don’t hold much weight

The numbers back the ratings though. RJ was putting up over 12 a game and Vassell was only putting up 8. He also started the season with Porter starting, once his team started to win he tried to tank on the low and benched Porter for Patrick Williams who was buns in the SIM. Acquired RJ later and had him on the bench too. Still no luck to lose. He said it himself, the team surprised him.

[TerrenceClarke]

Fatboy Showing up to the Tank Fight.....

[mpharris36]

My guy you benched RJ and Porter for the likes of a rookie Devin Vassell and Robert Williams. You was still trying to tank on the low and didn't even deny it to me. It all just backfired for you.

Considering you traded AD and Brown for weak packages to tank shamelessly, benched a SIM beast like Elfrid Payton who was playing like a damn near MVP candidate, benched Porter and RJ to come off the bench for much worse starters yeah I think you're being a massive hypocrite to me. It just ain't fair at all to Fat. Yall too worried about what other teams doing when yall pulled the same schit. It just looks weak to me.

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

Yeah I'll cosign this. That was the year I joined (I took over the team right before the trade deadline) and I studied how Wiseman got so many touches and used those same strats to get Moses Brown and now Jarrett Allen touches. Regardless of star rating Vassell was better than RJ that year.

Melo is confused. I think Faried was the OG (but mecca realized to late). Year 2 was Whiteside and I think it was smash that took it to the next level. Year 3 was rookie Wiseman. Year for was Moses Brown by you. You are doing it on a higher level with Allen since he's really good but you are taking him to another level offensively with your lineups.

Tendencies and traits are more important than stars. Why would I want a high higher scoring low EFF player in RJ coming off his low EFF season in real life taking shots away from Wiseman. When haliburton and vassell had low scoring and were ball movers and hit open shots.

I moved RJ into my starting lineup the following year after he had his 40% from 3 years.

Way too many people wrapped around stars.

[3toheadmelo]

My guy do you know how eballa wins with filtering shots to his best players? How do you think Wiseman put up those numbers. I put a defensive starting lineup and a pass first PG alongside him so all the shots would filter to my big (who was a SIM annomily) how was my most EFF scorer. It helped me win 50 games and make the playoffs how exactly was I trying to lose? If I was trying to lose wouldn't I have done stuff to keep Wiseman from producing like that?

Wiseman started the damn all star game because of my coaching.

MPJ was better suited for the bench because his defense metrics werent good and I needed scoring off my bench. He played starter minutes just off the bench. At the time also we didn't have the minutes dashboard where it's easier to stagger minutes with your best scorers. I think MPJ was my second leading scorer on that team and it worked perfectly for him to come off the bench play 30 minutes a game and have freedom to score which is what he does best.

Vassell had a high defensive rating and low scoring with good shooting. Exactly the player you want to filter shots to your big.

Stop it man. You literally told me "I never suggested I wasnt trying to tank" when I approached you about you benching Payton and Fultz (who I also forgot to mention) for Frank. Like that's a full admittance.

Don't try to pull that E-balla stunt. You literally just said the team surprised you. Now you fronting like you knew what you was doing. Everyone knows you was trying to tank on the low and it backfired man. You had no choice but to play it off. Why deny it?

Look you can come up with every excuse in the book.. but you a tanker. End of story

No point in arguing. I tanked by trades in one year never denied that. You coming at me for my 50 win playoff year because questioning my rotations that got me to 50 wins playoffs make you sound ridiculous.

Probably the reason your still confused why Tatum can't score you more than 10 PPG.

Oh so now you not denying you tanked that year. You all over the place.

Yeah there is no point in arguing when you back pedalling

Of course I didn't expect to win with an all rookie lineup.

I had a surprise start to the year

You just snitched on yourself and didnt realize it give me a break with all that e-balla coaching nonsense when you literally just admitted you didn't expect to win. You tried to tank fam. But whatever carry on with the hypocrisy. lmao