GT: Nets vs Pistons 1/26 7:30pm

[Hello Brooklyn]

Just looking at other contenders rosters, Brooklyn has arguably the most wasted roster spots and an overload of midget/non-wing players.Even the Warriors who are guard heavy have a bevy of wings on their bench.

Everything starts with Marks. I just fundamentally don't agree with his team building. Even before KD and KAI, he never placed emphasis on wings and always picks undersized Centers. This team has lacked explosiveness during his entire tenure. Zero explosive high flyers drafted or traded for. Passed up on multiple legit 3&D wings in the draft. Traded Bey for Shamet. etc etc.

Yes, good guard play is important but unless he realizes that dynamic wings are a essential component to modern basketball, team is not winning a thing, even with an all time great like KD.

Let's see what he does at the deadline. Won't hold my breath tho. Probably trades for another midget guard so JV can run a 4 guard midget lineup.

I don't know man.

Marks found guys like Sumner, Yuta, kept Claxton. Its hard to act like this is really a roster construction problem.

Especially with the Pistons. That team sucks.

Were just not playing the right way. So whos to blame?

The players?

The coach?

It seems like there is no one thing that is the clear answer for our defense collapsing last night. Especially when we played so well vs the Sixers.

the blame happens when the rest of the starters suck.

Ben Simmons: 35M, 0 points
Joe Harris: 19 M, 7 points

Thats almost 55M on bad contracts, and these guys are starters. Its even worse when you factor Patty who gets paid to not even play and babysit the max contract 6'10 guy who couldn't score on me.
Team has a good top 3, a couple of good off the bench players but no starter caliber players.

Joe Harris is an elite shooter. Hes back to 40% for the year.

Its not that bad of a contract.

Simmons yes. Hes the biggest issue.

But the defense collectively was horrible last night. Thats either on the coach of the players for just not caring enough.

[NetsWorld]

I don't know man.

Marks found guys like Sumner, Yuta, kept Claxton. Its hard to act like this is really a roster construction problem.

Especially with the Pistons. That team sucks.

Were just not playing the right way. So whos to blame?

The players?

The coach?

It seems like there is no one thing that is the clear answer for our defense collapsing last night. Especially when we played so well vs the Sixers.

the blame happens when the rest of the starters suck.

Ben Simmons: 35M, 0 points
Joe Harris: 19 M, 7 points

Thats almost 55M on bad contracts, and these guys are starters. Its even worse when you factor Patty who gets paid to not even play and babysit the max contract 6'10 guy who couldn't score on me.
Team has a good top 3, a couple of good off the bench players but no starter caliber players.

Joe Harris is an elite shooter. Hes back to 40% for the year.

Its not that bad of a contract.

Simmons yes. Hes the biggest issue.

But the defense collectively was horrible last night. Thats either on the coach of the players for just not caring enough.

Portland will soon be shopping its roster. The pieces are slowly falling. They will shop Hart, Nurcic and Grant recently rejected a big offer. It was never about the money for Grant; he never wanted to be there. Nets have to do whatever it takes to try and nab Nurcic and at least Hart if not Grant. In a perfect world, Grant and Nurcic solve a plethora of Nets issues but the assets need to be there. Harris has one year left after this year, Mills can go since he’ll expire, we can give them a first, Thomas and multiple second rounders or future firsts, Grant and Nurcic make us odds on favorites and solve so many issues against Boston and Milwaukee. Marks needs to make a damn move already

[spikeslovechild]

As a visitor not going to create a thread but something is brewing with Simmons. First with Simmons sitting out with knee soreness and vaughn eye roll to him sitting out the Knicks with knee soreness.

[EmperorLocky]

As a visitor not going to create a thread but something is brewing with Simmons. First with Simmons sitting out with knee soreness and vaughn eye roll to him sitting out the Knicks with knee soreness.

I feel the same way. Unfortunately they need to remove him. He is too hesitant now and he'll be even worse come playoffs. Better to fix the rotation without Simmons and give them time to prepare for the playoffs.

[sashaturiaf]

Every time he gets the ball close to the basket he tries to move away from it. He is just too soft to be considered a serious player.

Simmons clowned Embiid on defence last night so hardly soft

When are you guys going to realize that he's physically shot right now?

It's been months and I have seen him attempt exactly ONE running dunk

I have been there as has Michael Porter Jr (not to compare us btw)

He's months away & the Nets have no choice but to ride it out until his body & brain are right again

Yea Ben not having his explosiveness is tying into him having 0 confidence in his offensive game right now. It sucks he wont adapt his game untill it comes back. All we can do is wait for him to get back. I watch old ben highlights smh if he gets it back by playoffs, nobody will want to face us

Watch on YouTube

I watched that clip and Ben looks like the exact same player, his hops do look a bit more spry in this clip however if you look at his stats his dunk rate this season is exactly what it was during his Philly seasons.

He was never really a scorer, more of a 15 ppg guy but now he's struggling to get to 10. I really think it's because of 2 main reasons, none of which is actually due to how he is physically

1) The aggression isn't there when he attacks, as Net fans I think we all agree he's barely looking at the rim a lot of the time and I think it's mentally he doesn't want to get fouled. He's now a sub .500 foul shooter when he used to be hovering over 60% in Philly,
2) To exacerbate this problem, playing with KD/Kyrie he now feels he can rightly defer anytime to 2 guys who are much better offensive players than he is. It gives Ben an out, as he can avoid attacking but mentally justify it to himself as "making the right play"

So to me this is all mental. If his FT shooting stays at this level this is going to be the Ben we will get for the duration of his contract.

[sashaturiaf]

Just looking at other contenders rosters, Brooklyn has arguably the most wasted roster spots and an overload of midget/non-wing players.Even the Warriors who are guard heavy have a bevy of wings on their bench.

Everything starts with Marks. I just fundamentally don't agree with his team building. Even before KD and KAI, he never placed emphasis on wings and always picks undersized Centers. This team has lacked explosiveness during his entire tenure. Zero explosive high flyers drafted or traded for. Passed up on multiple legit 3&D wings in the draft. Traded Bey for Shamet. etc etc.

Yes, good guard play is important but unless he realizes that dynamic wings are a essential component to modern basketball, team is not winning a thing, even with an all time great like KD.

Let's see what he does at the deadline. Won't hold my breath tho. Probably trades for another midget guard so JV can run a 4 guard midget lineup.

I agree, the teambuilding around 7/11 never really made sense. You have 2 guys who are the best individual bucket getters in the league who can score efficiently without any spacing, but on the flip side are a bit physically frail and not naturally facilitators.

So why would you surround those 2 stars with a bunch of short shooters and scorers? Around 7/11 the surrounding cast that made sense should have been bruisers, energy guys, athletes, and pure point guards. It's no surprise to me that the few energy guys and athletes we picked up in Clax, Yuta, Bruce Brown and Bembry for the short time he was here were the guys who also looked best in our system. The Saddiq Bey for Shamet trade was criminal, as was our 2021 draft where we wasted 4 picks on guys who don't fit our system and timeline.