Build a Franchise (Season 6)- Discussion Thread continued

[Strick]

Half of BAF: Now FatBoy, just admit this is wrong and we can move on

Spoiler:

Personally I see both sides but to get the draft capital and star power is impressive as hell

[Strick]

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

The Washington Wizards have agreed to trade Kira Lewis Jr. to the Toronto Raptors in exchange for Darius Bazley, a 2023 2nd round draft pick (From Washington*) and a 2024 2nd round draft pick (From San Antonio).

The San Antonio Spurs have agreed to trade Darius Bazley and a 2023 2nd round draft pick (From Washington*) to the Washington Wizards along with Bismack Biyombo, Tyus Jones and a 2023 1st round draft pick (From Washington) to the Toronto Raptors and a 2025 1st round draft pick (From Toronto) to the Minnesota Timberwolves in exchange for Mitchell Robinson, Josh Green, Trevor Keels, Jose Alvarado and a 2024 1st round draft pick (From Denver).

The Toronto Raptors have agreed to trade Mitchell Robinson, Josh Green and Jose Alvarado to the San Antonio Spurs along with a 2023 1st round draft pick (From Indiana) and a 2024 1st round draft pick (From Milwaukee**) to the Orlando Magic in exchange for Kira Lewis Jr., Bismack Biyombo, Tyus Jones, a 2023 1st round draft pick (From Washington) and a 2025 1st round draft pick (From Portland).

The Minnesota Timberwolves have agreed to trade Trevor Keels to the San Antonio Spurs in exchange for a 2025 1st round draft pick (From Toronto).

The Orlando Magic have agreed to trade a 2024 1st round draft pick (From Denver) to the San Antonio Spurs, a 2025 1st round draft pick (From Portland) to the Toronto Raptors and a 2024 2nd round draft pick (From San Antonio) to the Washington Wizards in exchange for a 2023 1st round draft pick (From Indiana) and a 2024 1st round draft pick (From Milwaukee**).

*- Washington regains control of their pick.

**- Orlando now has complete control of the Milwaukee 2024 1st round pick as well as their own 2025 1st round pick.

Thank you for your service, #KeelMode

Future pick I’ll take even if it’s moved in a future deal

[El Poochio]

Did you miss that Washington's first is included?

It is what it is.

I thought people would be happy now I don't have a chance at the#1 pick.

Honestly not as bad as I feared.

Yeah I was expecting the worst, I can live with Mitch lol

[El Poochio]

Oh wow

Might as well jump in the tank too, Spurs just put the nail in the coffin on everyone’s season

He was already the (very) heavy favourites, might regret trading that pick if it actually becomes Wemby

[Deeeez Knicks]

Crazy morning in baf.

It was just a matter of time before mph cashed in that wash pick. Good value and fair trade all around in that deal.

[E-Balla]

We can do that too but I am sure Washington Wizards (just an example) wouldnt care about that teams FA rating who stole higher draft seed from them, so it doesnt really solve the issue

WYM? What teams FA rating are you talking about? If you think I'm trying to stop tanking I'm not. I'm trying to punish tankers. As is tankers AREN'T punished for it. The idea they're punished for it in the FA ratings is completely false when looking at the categories:

1. Franchise success in a three year period. 2. Star player. 3. Player happiness. 4. Future (youth+draft picks).

A tanking teams already have a leg up in 25% of what factors into FA ratings, and that's a 25% that in real life no actual free agent takes into account. No one is taking a pay cut to go play with OKC because they have SGA (a star) and a bunch of picks but in BaF they'd have a middle of the pack (maybe higher) FA rating. If we want realism the categories should be:

1. Franchise success in a 3 year period. 2. Star players - and it should be based on BAF all league accolades and BAF all star games not an arbitrary rating of players. 3. Player happiness weighted 2 times stronger than other categories. 5. Available cap space (players will eyeball a squad with the ability to add multiple stars). 6. GM ability - this is more controversial, but I think as a group we all know there's tiers of GMs and players care much more about that than whether or not a team has future draft capital.

I'll also add in that I've noticed other **** that has me questioning the sim too. Look at certain rosters and their real life coaches. Look at their in game results. Does bish equalize coaches around the league so we all have teams playing at the exact same level regardless of the sim? After seeing Pop win COTY I doubt it (I'm not saying MPH doesn't have the best squad - just that Pop as coach while I got Mark Daigneault makes them unbeatable). Bish has never posted coach ratings tho so I can't say if they have much of an impact. I just peeped that when COTY was given our it was determined internally by the sim and idk what goes into it all.

I agree we can put more measures to hurt tanking teams in FA but what I am saying is major affected party by those tankers (real bad teams) wouldnt care about those punishments as they are still getting screwed over. Forfeiting those picks will give back those teams rightful draft seed, like we do when we dont post teams power ranking position when they do not send in theirs. In reality no one would dare so there wont be any forfeits anyway

Way too much work involved here with doing this I think on Bish's end and of course it's too subjective to be made a rule especially at this point. Just stop punishing competitive teams like we currently do. As is the top FA ratings go to (in order):

Formerly tanking teams that are competitive and have assets from tanking
Teams that are actually elite every year and in real life would have the highest FA ratings a la Golden State
Tanking teams sitting superstars
Tanking teams that have just started tanking
Actually competitive teams that just haven't gotten a superstar
Complete scrub teams with nothing going for them yet (Memphis)

I wanted to go hard on this last year but didn't want it to seem like I had a vested interest in it with the reset coming. Now that that's over I feel like we need to talk about this system because it's some bull.

NewEra and Smash should basically be automatic top tier FA destinations.

[HEZI]

Oh wow

Might as well jump in the tank too, Spurs just put the nail in the coffin on everyone’s season

He was already the (very) heavy favourites, might regret trading that pick if it actually becomes Wemby

With or without Wemby he’s going to be heavy favorite for the next couple years.

[El Poochio]

*- Washington regains control of their pick.

Spoiler:

DaGawd:

[E-Balla]

RJ played 30 minutes off my bench and avg 36% from the field and 27% from 3...but yes I should have started him over a guy that shot 38% from 3 and had 80 DEF rating in the SIM.

Makes a ton of sense...

Hey Melo this is starting to make sense the further the conversation goes you might wanna drop it lol.

POWER RANKINGS as of 1/27

1. San Antonio Spurs (43-5) 0
2. Oklahoma City Thunder (39-11) +1
3. Charlotte Hornets (38-11) -1
4. Indiana Pacers (34-15) 0
5. Denver Nuggets (33-16) 0
6. Portland Trailblazers (31-19) +1
7. Dallas Mavericks (33-16) -1
8. Los Angeles Clippers (32-18) +2
9. Golden State Warriors (31-19) -1
10. Cleveland Cavaliers (30-20) -1

If you still ain't learn those star ratings aren't a measure of who's a better player you'll keep underachieving. The sim might play higher star ratings over better fits, but we're supposed to be smarter than that. I'm #2 in the league with multiple 3.5 stars leading my squad. Hypothetically someone benched Kyrie and KAT for CP3 and Allen you'd call it a tank but they'd win more games.

You not following the convo. What you're doing is intentional to win. Like how you studied Wiseman and other dudes for Moses Brown and Allen. This man just said he did not expect to win and he was suprised he had a hot start. And then benching Porter for Pat Williams after he started hot as a panic move to tank is too sus. You wasn't even here for this.

I got two finals appearances, one chip, one bubble chip. If that's considered an underchiever then i'll gladly accept that

I'm following. You're claiming he tanked by sitting players that weren't good fits for his roster. If you only claimed he built his team to tank and got lucky I'm sure he'd agree there.

[Fat]

I just feel like there should be a player resting policy implemented in the game. Not fair to the fans when teams rest their best players against tanking teams or purposely sit guys out a month before before the playoffs to avoid injuries.
Fine these teams by removing money off their cap space

[El Poochio]

Wtf how did Strick got a first for Keels???!!!!

[E-Balla]

I just feel like there should be a player resting policy implemented in the game. Not fair to the fans when teams rest their best players against tanking teams or purposely sit guys out a month before before the playoffs to avoid injuries.
Fine these teams by removing money off their cap space

This is just as fair as what they're asking you to do lol. We seen Melo sit guys all last season because he could win without em.

[Fat]

Wtf how did Strick got a first for Keels???!!!!

Should be investigated for sure

[El Poochio]

Oh wow

Might as well jump in the tank too, Spurs just put the nail in the coffin on everyone’s season

He was already the (very) heavy favourites, might regret trading that pick if it actually becomes Wemby

With or without Wemby he’s going to be heavy favorite for the next couple years.

I will take the no Wemby route tank you very much

[El Poochio]

WYM? What teams FA rating are you talking about? If you think I'm trying to stop tanking I'm not. I'm trying to punish tankers. As is tankers AREN'T punished for it. The idea they're punished for it in the FA ratings is completely false when looking at the categories:



A tanking teams already have a leg up in 25% of what factors into FA ratings, and that's a 25% that in real life no actual free agent takes into account. No one is taking a pay cut to go play with OKC because they have SGA (a star) and a bunch of picks but in BaF they'd have a middle of the pack (maybe higher) FA rating. If we want realism the categories should be:



I'll also add in that I've noticed other **** that has me questioning the sim too. Look at certain rosters and their real life coaches. Look at their in game results. Does bish equalize coaches around the league so we all have teams playing at the exact same level regardless of the sim? After seeing Pop win COTY I doubt it (I'm not saying MPH doesn't have the best squad - just that Pop as coach while I got Mark Daigneault makes them unbeatable). Bish has never posted coach ratings tho so I can't say if they have much of an impact. I just peeped that when COTY was given our it was determined internally by the sim and idk what goes into it all.

I agree we can put more measures to hurt tanking teams in FA but what I am saying is major affected party by those tankers (real bad teams) wouldnt care about those punishments as they are still getting screwed over. Forfeiting those picks will give back those teams rightful draft seed, like we do when we dont post teams power ranking position when they do not send in theirs. In reality no one would dare so there wont be any forfeits anyway

Way too much work involved here with doing this I think on Bish's end and of course it's too subjective to be made a rule especially at this point. Just stop punishing competitive teams like we currently do. As is the top FA ratings go to (in order):

Formerly tanking teams that are competitive and have assets from tanking
Teams that are actually elite every year and in real life would have the highest FA ratings a la Golden State
Tanking teams sitting superstars
Tanking teams that have just started tanking
Actually competitive teams that just haven't gotten a superstar
Complete scrub teams with nothing going for them yet (Memphis)

I wanted to go hard on this last year but didn't want it to seem like I had a vested interest in it with the reset coming. Now that that's over I feel like we need to talk about this system because it's some bull.

NewEra and Smash should basically be automatic top tier FA destinations.

NewEra? Embiid signed for him and now he is gonna rot on the bench for a year, all that player movement gotta come back to haunt at some point

[Fat]

I just feel like there should be a player resting policy implemented in the game. Not fair to the fans when teams rest their best players against tanking teams or purposely sit guys out a month before before the playoffs to avoid injuries.
Fine these teams by removing money off their cap space

This is just as fair as what they're asking you to do lol. We seen Melo sit guys all last season because he could win without em.

Yes let’s bring all this good stuff to the game

Next year

[HEZI]

He was already the (very) heavy favourites, might regret trading that pick if it actually becomes Wemby

With or without Wemby he’s going to be heavy favorite for the next couple years.

I will take the no Wemby route tank you very much

It’s not even guaranteed that the Wiz pick will land 1st so he took the safe route to secure a back to back chip. Nobody has ever repeated in BAF and he has pretty much secured it this year and very likely next year too.

[El Poochio]

E-Balla you only looking at this from your side, what about the really bad teams lol they need the higher draft seeds as much or more than your extra $2 bucks in FA

[E-Balla]

I agree we can put more measures to hurt tanking teams in FA but what I am saying is major affected party by those tankers (real bad teams) wouldnt care about those punishments as they are still getting screwed over. Forfeiting those picks will give back those teams rightful draft seed, like we do when we dont post teams power ranking position when they do not send in theirs. In reality no one would dare so there wont be any forfeits anyway

Way too much work involved here with doing this I think on Bish's end and of course it's too subjective to be made a rule especially at this point. Just stop punishing competitive teams like we currently do. As is the top FA ratings go to (in order):

Formerly tanking teams that are competitive and have assets from tanking
Teams that are actually elite every year and in real life would have the highest FA ratings a la Golden State
Tanking teams sitting superstars
Tanking teams that have just started tanking
Actually competitive teams that just haven't gotten a superstar
Complete scrub teams with nothing going for them yet (Memphis)

I wanted to go hard on this last year but didn't want it to seem like I had a vested interest in it with the reset coming. Now that that's over I feel like we need to talk about this system because it's some bull.

NewEra and Smash should basically be automatic top tier FA destinations.

NewEra? Embiid signed for him and now he is gonna rot on the bench for a year, all that player movement gotta come back to haunt at some point

He'll take the hit in player happiness for sure, everything else he should be rated highly in if he has cap space. What the sim values in a FA destination and what real life players value aren't even close.

[El Poochio]

With or without Wemby he’s going to be heavy favorite for the next couple years.

I will take the no Wemby route tank you very much

It’s not even guaranteed that the Wiz pick will land 1st so he took the safe route to secure a back to back chip. Nobody has ever repeated in BAF and he has pretty much secured it this year and very likely next year too.

I dont think Mitch and Alvarado really makes that much of a difference, he had it already secured if you think that, that top pick could have made sure dynasty runs even longer