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JackTalkThai wrote:Cunningham was averaging 21-7-7 before he got injured and people are thinking he’s average. Lol. Guy is an elite IQ lead guard triple double threat. Recency bias is a b!tch but it is what it is.
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
QingJames wrote:Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
No, he’s terrible. He’s a volume scorer with great dribble separation ability and an explosive first step. He doesn’t have any other NBA-calibre skills. Huge negative impact player and I don’t see his pathway to becoming a positive one, as he is in all likelihood a bottom 5 defender in the league among rotation players.
Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
No, he’s terrible. He’s a volume scorer with great dribble separation ability and an explosive first step. He doesn’t have any other NBA-calibre skills. Huge negative impact player and I don’t see his pathway to becoming a positive one, as he is in all likelihood a bottom 5 defender in the league among rotation players.
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
eyeatoma wrote:You guys still dont' get it. Playoff accomplishment don't matter when you're up for your 1st MVP. When you're up for your 3rd in a row, damn straight it matters, as the only ones who done it are top 15 players of all time who have won rings.
nikster wrote:Tripod wrote:nikster wrote:He's had rough start but no way he's not top 5 now. Last 18 games he's averaging 18/8/5.5 on 57 TS%, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks and almost 3 offensive rebounds per game
When he is actually allowed to run the team as he wants, he is going to be a monster.
People don't realize that he gers used out by Siakam and Fred so hey can get theirs. Like last night, 9-3-4 after Q 1.....then only get 2 shots the next 2 Q...both 3 pointers because he was sat in the corner so PS and FVV could pnr/iso time after time.
He will never be a massive scorer because he is unselfish. He wants to get others easier buckets. If the "leaders" would actually defer to him more, their job would become easier. He would find them. But the pecking order is a real thing in TO.
Ageee that he gets frozen out too much, Actually thought Fred did a great job moving the ball and making the right read. It was Pascal that got tunnel vision last night, trying to force the issue too much.
Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
No, he’s terrible. He’s a volume scorer with great dribble separation ability and an explosive first step. He doesn’t have any other NBA-calibre skills. Huge negative impact player and I don’t see his pathway to becoming a positive one, as he is in all likelihood a bottom 5 defender in the league among rotation players.
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
jasonxxx102 wrote:The only people rating green highly are blind rockets homers and people that look at box scores
Vampirate wrote:Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
The issue with Green is he's either very hot or very cold.
I'm pretty sure he can score 55 points on good efficiency, but that's sandwiched between 7 games of him shooting below 40% on field goals.
I understand FG% is not the end all be all, but if you are constantly shooting under 40%, your not going be very reliable game to game.
He'll be good once he finds consistency.
QingJames wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:No, he’s terrible. He’s a volume scorer with great dribble separation ability and an explosive first step. He doesn’t have any other NBA-calibre skills. Huge negative impact player and I don’t see his pathway to becoming a positive one, as he is in all likelihood a bottom 5 defender in the league among rotation players.
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
No argument from the negative impact volume chucker fan.
Checks out.
Mikistan wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:No, he’s terrible. He’s a volume scorer with great dribble separation ability and an explosive first step. He doesn’t have any other NBA-calibre skills. Huge negative impact player and I don’t see his pathway to becoming a positive one, as he is in all likelihood a bottom 5 defender in the league among rotation players.
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
I don't think I've ever seen that guy on the raptors board, but whatever makes you feel better
Vox Populi wrote:Vampirate wrote:Vox Populi wrote:Some of you are too harsh on Jalen Green. I watched the HOU-MIN game the other day. Green looked every bit the player that Edwards is. He just needs to put on some muscle and be coached up.
If the Raptors had Green at SG in their SL instead of GTJ or Barnes, they could be Top 6 in the East instead of 12th with his ability to put the ball in the basket.
The issue with Green is he's either very hot or very cold.
I'm pretty sure he can score 55 points on good efficiency, but that's sandwiched between 7 games of him shooting below 40% on field goals.
I understand FG% is not the end all be all, but if you are constantly shooting under 40%, your not going be very reliable game to game.
He'll be good once he finds consistency.
Yeah, he definitely needs to improve his consistency. Growing pains. He is only 20 though and with the biggest role on his team compared to the other sophomores he is compared to here. I mean he is the #1 scoring option on his team.
By the way, I am not knocking Barnes by saying the Raptors could be Top 6 in the East if they had Green at SG. Barnes is not an SG so that is not his fault. He shows excellent potential at SF or PF. I am just trying to show how being in a different team situation could change the way some look at Green.
Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
No argument from the negative impact volume chucker fan.
Checks out.
Why argue?
Barnes is the 4th best player on a lottery team.
And you guys thought he was your savior.
Maybe you can get a couple second rounders for him if you trick somebody into it.
Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:
Raptors fan.
Checks out.
No argument from the negative impact volume chucker fan.
Checks out.
Why argue?
Barnes is the 4th best player on a lottery team.
And you guys thought he was your savior.
Maybe you can get a couple second rounders for him if you trick somebody into it.
Mikistan wrote:Kiss of Death wrote:QingJames wrote:No argument from the negative impact volume chucker fan.
Checks out.
Why argue?
Barnes is the 4th best player on a lottery team.
And you guys thought he was your savior.
Maybe you can get a couple second rounders for him if you trick somebody into it.
You sound emotional
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
nikster wrote:ChumboChappati wrote:davey_wavy wrote:1- Mobley
2- Wagner
3- Barnes
4- Giddey
Barnes is not #3 lol, he will barely make top 5 as of now
He's had rough start but no way he's not top 5 now. Last 18 games he's averaging 18/8/5.5 on 57 TS%, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks and almost 3 offensive rebounds per game
