Will Jokic get exposed these playoffs, again?

ShulaDon92 · Post #81 » by **ShulaDon92** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:06 pm

The heat on Jokic will only increase with every non-title season.

Go get em Joker.

Not sure he has the guards to pull it off but if they fail they should get Mitchell or some other elite closer

ShulaDon92 · Post #82 » by **ShulaDon92** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:17 pm

If Joker pulls off a Dirk and ships he's going to be a top 15

Infinite Llamas · Post #83 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:48 pm

Statlanta wrote:ElGee and his thoughts on the game

Watch on YouTube

And last year when Boston beat Denver, Grant Williams crowned himself Batman after slowing down Joker. Fast forward to this year and Jokic ate him alive when they faced off.

The great players make adjustments. It’s as simple as that.

mixerball · Post #84 » by **mixerball** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:57 pm

exposed... nephews use this word

again?

Roscoe Sheed · Post #85 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:00 pm

Jokic has no flaws on offense, but struggles like most big men do switching onto guards. He is rightfully the league MVP, what is there to expose? That he, like every player in NBA history, is not perfect?

Post #86 » by **cupcakesnake** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 3:07 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
Statlanta wrote:ElGee and his thoughts on the game

Watch on YouTube

And last year when Boston beat Denver, Grant Williams crowned himself Batman after slowing down Joker. Fast forward to this year and Jokic ate him alive when they faced off.

The great players make adjustments. It’s as simple as that.

I think the interesting strategy highlighted in this video is: you don't want your best help defender trapped guarding man-to-man.

Tons of fans want the head-to-head matchup, and will even criticize players for not guarding the best opposing player. While this sometimes makes sense for perimeter players, when we're talking about a rim-protecting center, their defensive responsibilities are bigger than guarding 1 guy. Everytime Embiid guard's Joker, there's no rim protector to stop the cutters who are weaponized by Joker's passing. It's easy offense all day and nothing Joel can do about it. But since the Sixers have a capably strong matchup defender in Tucker, they finally figured out that it's way smarter to have Embiid focus on the more important task of shutting down team offense by protecting the whole paint.

People always loved to criticize Gobert in this way. Despite his perimeter defense being a lot more solid than most people think, Utah's defense would fall apart if you could take Gobert out of the paint. People made the false conclusion that this had something to do with Gobert's perimeter defense, but the real reason was that whenever Gobert is on the perimeter, he's not guarding the paint, and Utah didn't have a secondary source of paint protection.

Rim protecting bigs are like goalies in hockey or soccer. If they're not near the net, you're at a disadvantage. You want to keep your rim protector protecting the rim as much as possible and strategically avoid offensive traps to remove that player from the paint.

Anyways, great move by Doc Rivers, and admirable effort by PJ Tucker (arguably the best matchup defender of this generation).

Mickey8 · Post #87 » by **Mickey8** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:24 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
Statlanta wrote:ElGee and his thoughts on the game

Watch on YouTube

And last year when Boston beat Denver, Grant Williams crowned himself Batman after slowing down Joker. Fast forward to this year and Jokic ate him alive when they faced off.

The great players make adjustments. It’s as simple as that.

Jokic owned Tucker when he used to play for Houston and the other teams after that. He wasn't on Jokic all game long , he had few solid stops against Jokic in the 4th quarter. Jokic slowed himself down, by not participating on the offense in the 3rd quarter and then when Sixers took over the game, he was rushing it, trying to post up Tucker , when Jokic is playing angry bully ball and rushing it , it can be ugly and out of control and It was in the 4th quarter. If he had flow in his offense throughout the second half Tucker wouldn't have been able to do anything against Jokic.

OmniDEN · Post #88 » by **OmniDEN** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:28 pm

OP should stick to YouTube comments and not a discussion forum. Clearly bias and agenda are obvious here. Knee jerk reaction over one game too, very immature.

Optms · Post #89 » by **Optms** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:32 pm

OmniDEN wrote:OP should stick to YouTube comments and not a discussion forum. Clearly bias and agenda are obvious here. Knee jerk reaction over one game too, very immature.

Where is the bias here? Sounds like you cannot handle when your guy gets justified criticism. Sorry for that.

Mickey8 · Post #90 » by **Mickey8** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:37 pm

Its not about criticism it is overblown reaction after one regular season game in the middle of the season by Jokic's haters, hence we have the threads such as this one.

ArksNetsSince99 · Post #91 » by **ArksNetsSince99** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:50 pm

UcanUwill wrote:When was Jokic exposed?

Never , he got not enough talent around him , not exactly his fault

KGtabake · Post #92 » by **KGtabake** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:13 pm

Optms wrote:And Will Embiid finally break through? As great Jokic is offensively, he cannot be trusted to guard or slow down any competent offensive player. Meanwhile, Embiid has the team around him. Its up to him to finally deliver and get out of the East as the best two way center in the game.

Watch on YouTube

Nuggets should be thankful these two teams are in seperate conferences becauses Embiid would cook him in any match up. Embiid made him look like a bench player.

Grow up dude. Jokic will soon be a 3xMVP.
3 consecutive times. With no stars around him.
That has nothing to do with conferences.
Jokic didn't even dress up against Giannis the other day. Because it doesn't matter. It's one game.
His playoffs appearances are better than his regular season but haters gonna hate i guess.

Some of you need to learn to appreciate greatness instead of being toxic for no reason.

dhsilv2 · Post #93 » by **dhsilv2** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 6:25 pm

Optms wrote:
OmniDEN wrote:OP should stick to YouTube comments and not a discussion forum. Clearly bias and agenda are obvious here. Knee jerk reaction over one game too, very immature.

Where is the bias here? Sounds like you cannot handle when your guy gets justified criticism. Sorry for that.

Anytime a thread is made based on a game that just happened, that extrapolates from the singular game ANYTHING. It's from a clearly biased point of view.

Optms · Post #94 » by **Optms** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:26 am

ShulaDon92 wrote:The heat on Jokic will only increase with every non-title season.

Go get em Joker.

Not sure he has the guards to pull it off but if they fail they should get Mitchell or some other elite closer

Honestly, if he's as good as the hardware (Back to back MVP) indicates and advanced stat nerds say he is, than he has more than enough to carry the Nuggets to the Finals. Lebron carried JR Smith and a bunch of bums out of the East in 2018. As well as some other bums back in the late 00's.

Optms · Post #95 » by **Optms** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:29 am

dhsilv2 wrote:
Optms wrote:
OmniDEN wrote:OP should stick to YouTube comments and not a discussion forum. Clearly bias and agenda are obvious here. Knee jerk reaction over one game too, very immature.

Where is the bias here? Sounds like you cannot handle when your guy gets justified criticism. Sorry for that.

Anytime a thread is made based on a game that just happened, that extrapolates from the singular game ANYTHING. It's from a clearly biased point of view.

Not really. Because I stated a question in the OP.

And given how Jokic or Embiid have never accomplished anything in the playoffs, its fair to ask these questions and speculate. This is basketball. Its what we do. I have no horse in either the Philly or Denver race. So nope. Not biased.

ShulaDon92 · Post #96 » by **ShulaDon92** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:36 am

Optms wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:The heat on Jokic will only increase with every non-title season.

Go get em Joker.

Not sure he has the guards to pull it off but if they fail they should get Mitchell or some other elite closer

Honestly, if he's as good as the hardware (Back to back MVP) indicates and advanced stat nerds say he is, than he has more than enough to carry the Nuggets to the Finals. Lebron carried JR Smith and a bunch of bums out of the East in 2018. As well as some other bums back in the late 00's.

You're overlooking the fact that jokic is a center. Most centers go nowhere without a guard thats wort a ****

bb22 · Post #97 » by **bb22** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:43 am

Optms wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:The heat on Jokic will only increase with every non-title season.

Go get em Joker.

Not sure he has the guards to pull it off but if they fail they should get Mitchell or some other elite closer

Honestly, if he's as good as the hardware (Back to back MVP) indicates and advanced stat nerds say he is, than he has more than enough to carry the Nuggets to the Finals. Lebron carried JR Smith and a bunch of bums out of the East in 2018. As well as some other bums back in the late 00's.

Fair point.

Lebron was dominant on both ends of the floor in his title runs. He was a deadly presence in every situation imaginable, and likely a better leader on and off the court. Jokic just isn’t at that level despite his amazing stats.

Jokic needs another big star beside him to contend.

Post #98 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 2:57 am

Thread title question doesn't = poll question :roll:

Pelly24 · Post #99 » by **Pelly24** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:24 am

JayMKE wrote:Jokic possibly being a 3x MVP without ever winning anything in the playoffs rightfully sounds off some alarm bells for some people, I don't expect Denver to win the championship this year given how that team is built but I wouldn't say that would be "exposed" either. Jokic is not a defensive presence but who is in Denver? Teams without a defensive identity aren't going to win a championship but jmo. He might be the most excellent efficient offensive RS player in history but you gotta raise the floor of your team in the playoffs, if you can't do that then you're James Harden.

Embiid never winning **** either is a major mark against him too, Im not a big believer of him in the playoffs either.

It's crazy how if you don't get to the finals or win an NBA Championship what you do in the playoffs gets called "not doing anything."

Like only one or two players in the NBA have wildly outperformed expectations based on their rosters.

Pelly24 · Post #100 » by **Pelly24** » Mon Jan 30, 2023 4:26 am

bb22 wrote:
Optms wrote:
ShulaDon92 wrote:The heat on Jokic will only increase with every non-title season.

Go get em Joker.

Not sure he has the guards to pull it off but if they fail they should get Mitchell or some other elite closer

Honestly, if he's as good as the hardware (Back to back MVP) indicates and advanced stat nerds say he is, than he has more than enough to carry the Nuggets to the Finals. Lebron carried JR Smith and a bunch of bums out of the East in 2018. As well as some other bums back in the late 00's.

Fair point.

Lebron was dominant on both ends of the floor in his title runs. He was a deadly presence in every situation imaginable, and likely a better leader on and off the court. Jokic just isn’t at that level despite his amazing stats.

Jokic needs another big star beside him to contend.

Like even with this point — the Eastern Conference between 2015 and 2018 really wasn't good. LeBron played no top 15 player in his 2018 playoff run, unless you want to count Oladipo that season. Jokic will have to play folks like Kawhi, PG, LeBron, AD, Dame, Zion, Brandon Ingram, ... etc. way different

Who goes further in the postseason?