2022-2023 Regular Season Game 50: Chicago Bulls (22-26) at Orlando Magic (19-30) - 7pm

[drsd]

The comeback was huge. ..., Moe woke up from the KO, ....

Was this a career high for M-Wagner? The dude was all-world for this one. Forcing fouls; hitting the long ball; passing well.

What a game!


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[Ralof]

To the question "what is wrong with this team". What is wrong with this team is that our stars are 20 & 21.

or that those supposed stars are not that good.

but i guess that is out of question,like it was at time with dipo,payton,gordon,ecc.

[drsd]

I've said last week and i'll repeat again. Magic tend to win in most games when Cole is good. Magic tend to lose in most games when he sucks.

It's less about Cole, it's more about what "good " Cole represents. Normal, modern guard who can slash and shoot. When he is on, teams can't ignore him on perimeter, teams can't cheat and can't defend 4 on5 like they can whenever Fultz recives ball on perimeter.

I would rather watch Suggs play and struggle for rest of a season that WON'T lead to playin spot regardless than watch Payton...oups i mean Fultz any more as starter playing 30 mpg.
Now i'm just waiting for post allstar game and few miracle triple doubles ...Damn why this sounds so familiar?

Suggs had more minutes than Fultz in this game. And Anthony more than those two.

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[VFX]

I've said last week and i'll repeat again. Magic tend to win in most games when Cole is good. Magic tend to lose in most games when he sucks.

It's less about Cole, it's more about what "good " Cole represents. Normal, modern guard who can slash and shoot. When he is on, teams can't ignore him on perimeter, teams can't cheat and can't defend 4 on5 like they can whenever Fultz recives ball on perimeter.

I would rather watch Suggs play and struggle for rest of a season that WON'T lead to playin spot regardless than watch Payton...oups i mean Fultz any more as starter playing 30 mpg.
Now i'm just waiting for post allstar game and few miracle triple doubles ...Damn why this sounds so familiar?

Suggs had more minutes than Fultz in this game. And Anthony more than those two.

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And both of them looked better than Fultz. Go figure.

[pinoynurse]

I've said last week and i'll repeat again. Magic tend to win in most games when Cole is good. Magic tend to lose in most games when he sucks.

It's less about Cole, it's more about what "good " Cole represents. Normal, modern guard who can slash and shoot. When he is on, teams can't ignore him on perimeter, teams can't cheat and can't defend 4 on5 like they can whenever Fultz recives ball on perimeter.

I would rather watch Suggs play and struggle for rest of a season that WON'T lead to playin spot regardless than watch Payton...oups i mean Fultz any more as starter playing 30 mpg.
Now i'm just waiting for post allstar game and few miracle triple doubles ...Damn why this sounds so familiar?

For what its worth id rather watch suggs too. Cant dribble or shoot but i like how he impacts the game with his energy, defense and passing.

Fultz improves the team now but i dont think he should be our long term answer at pg.

[Bergmaniac]

Fultz also has the worst net rating of the whole team in our wins - https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612753/onoffcourt-advanced?Outcome=W . He is at 1.6, which is really bad for a starter playing major minutes. This is only calculated for our wins, so you'd expect every player who plays major minutes to be well into positive territory. And before you object "But he plays mostly against the other team's starters which drags his numbers down", all of the our other starters have much higher net rating in these games.

[eyriq]

To the question "what is wrong with this team". What is wrong with this team is that our stars are 20 & 21.

or that those supposed stars are not that good.

but i guess that is out of question,like it was at time with dipo,payton,gordon,ecc.

Its not out of the question. What do you look for in a first or second year player to know if they are worth building around?

[byeganyo]

To the question "what is wrong with this team". What is wrong with this team is that our stars are 20 & 21.

or that those supposed stars are not that good.

but i guess that is out of question,like it was at time with dipo,payton,gordon,ecc.

we havent had a rookie with such production since i dont know - penny? and none of dipo, payton, gordon and ecc was the scorer franz is with us. franz and banchero are not good enough to drag the team to playoffs obviously, but statistically is probable that they can become in a year or two.

[thelead]

Fultz is a bad fit for this team and not good enough to build around him, but it doesnt mean he cant be an useful squad player somewhere else. trade him and be done with it.

There are so many people that don’t want to admit this as the truth.

Send him to the Warriors and watch him feast as the backup PG (there is no realistic trade that works with them though due to salaries). He isn't the right fit for this team though.

[tooler]

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I think Franz, unlike most of the starters, has plenty of credits in the bank and has chopped up 4th quarters before so you can forgive him a bit more for a flat start.

Franz is a weird 4th quarter player. One of the highest points in the league in the 4th, but a lot of it comes at the beginning of it.

His clutch time TS% is bottom 10 in the league, which I noticed. Under 4 minutes he misses A LOT for some reason.

He needs to be more aggressive these games though. Seems happy to be passive.

Because he has no middle game...
He is excellent catch and shoot guy and very good slasher, also very good driver. But whoever bothers to scout him will know that in between 3 point line and layup he won't attemp any shots at all. Whole season long he attemped like 20 shots from mid rangej. And sure, it boosts his efficiency, but it's hard to score in 4th quaters, when defense becomes serious, if they know there is 20 feet of space you won't shoot from.

Franz is mid range shot away from being elite offensive player.

Good analysis. Makes sense. Now I know what to watch for. Or he never develops a mid range and he remains an excellent #2.

[j_n]

Worst game of the season, we just played so dumb on both ends, I couldn't even understand what I'm watching.

Why do we design plays for JI to iso knowing it will result in a low percentage shot? Why is he allowed to take contested threes early in the shot clock when he's never proven to be a good outside shooter?

Why is anyone on this team allowed to take contested shots early in the shot clock and not get benched immediately?

Why do we constantly start possessions mismatched on defense?

Why is Fultz constantly deferring when he's on the court? He's our most effective guard with the ball in his hands and the least effective without it, just bring him off the bench or stagger the rotation.

The Franz/Wendel pick n roll has been one of our most effective plays going back to last year, yet we never go to it, instead we keep spamming iso plays for Paolo which result in low percentage jumpshots.

Having said all that, this is still an incredibly talented team with very fixable problems, despite an awful start to the season due to injuries that none of us anticipated, we're still on pace to surpass even the most optimistic win projections before the season, not to mention the Vegas over under.

[zaymon]

Worst game of the season, we just played so dumb on both ends, I couldn't even understand what I'm watching.

Why do we design plays for JI to iso knowing it will result in a low percentage shot? Why is he allowed to take contested threes early in the shot clock when he's never proven to be a good outside shooter?

Why is anyone on this team allowed to take contested shots early in the shot clock and not get benched immediately?

Why do we constantly start possessions mismatched on defense?

Why is Fultz constantly deferring when he's on the court? He's our most effective guard with the ball in his hands and the least effective without it, just bring him off the bench or stagger the rotation.

The Franz/Wendel pick n roll has been one of our most effective plays going back to last year, yet we never go to it, instead we keep spamming iso plays for Paolo which result in low percentage jumpshots.

Having said all that, this is still an incredibly talented team with very fixable problems, despite an awful start to the season due to injuries that none of us anticipated, we're still on pace to surpass even the most optimistic win projections before the season, not to mention the Vegas over under.

Spot on analysis. Mosley is calling it "read and react offense", but in reality we look like badly coached team where everyone makes selfish dumb decisions.

[eyriq]

Just finished watching the full game highlights and I'm even more flabbergasted by Mosely's coaching now than I was live. We had a bad stretch to end the 2nd to mid-way through the 3rd and its like he had a temper tantrum and went into full irrational mode.

[JoshuaPotter]

Coach Mosley dug really deep into the Orlando Hydra roster until he found a lineup that made it competitive.

Two big "L" in a row with two big games coming against Philly. Got to admit I was hoping by now we would have beaten the Heat + Bulls and been looking to take a bite out of the 76rs.

I don't want to comment early, I am getting more and more on board for letting it ride even if players walk with no value in return other then playing for us on a rookie deal.

Still a fun team to watch though and last night was probably the 1st or 2nd time in a season Paulo + Franz didn't show up. Contrast that with our "Gaurd Hail Hydra" situation.