Trade deadline thread

[theBigLip]

Cap for cap's sake. To what end? It's a fairly unimpressive free agency market and we're not a free agency destination. Not seeing the purpose in essentially punting on all of our young players outside of Cade/Stew/Duren.

Always better to have cap space. There are always trade opportunities with capped out teams. But I agree - the FA market this summer isn’t anything special.

[theBigLip]

How about them Knickerbockers?
They're desperate to win. Bojan helps them. Reddish Toppin Hartenstein our #1draft pick back to us

I’d do that. Not so sure if the Knicks would. If you want to have some fun, post it on their board and see the response

[Canadafan]

How about them Knickerbockers?
They're desperate to win. Bojan helps them. Reddish Toppin Hartenstein our #1draft pick back to us

I’d do that. Not so sure if the Knicks would. If you want to have some fun, post it on their board and see the response

Fournier would be coming to us with his horrible contract instead of Hartenstein for sure. And we'd be giving them expirings of Diallo/Cojo or they can have Burks back

[Laimbeer]

"Jerami Grant Rejects Blazers' Four-Year, $112M Offer With Intent On Making More In Free Agency"

That's 28M per. I wonder what he's expecting.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think our defense looks its best when we're able to play Beefstew alongside Duren. We have our best rim protection and rebounding and the two started to develop chemistry on offense.

Looks best, maybe. Is not best, or good. Stewart is out of place on defense as a power forward; it emphasizes his poor footspeed and inability (thanks to his poor size and verticality) to play weakside rim defense. On offense, he's has been decidedly meh even when he's been hitting his shots; sinking open threes and doing a bit of attacking on closeouts is the absolute minimum that will be expected from the average perimeter player, and the threes stopped consistently falling about six weeks ago.

If that's really the wrap on Stew, we should trade him.

[Kalamazoo317]

Cap for cap's sake. To what end? It's a fairly unimpressive free agency market and we're not a free agency destination. Not seeing the purpose in essentially punting on all of our young players outside of Cade/Stew/Duren.

Always better to have cap space. There are always trade opportunities with capped out teams. But I agree - the FA market this summer isn’t anything special.

In a vacuum, yes. But cap space isn't of high enough value to trade most of your young players away if that's all you're getting in return.

[mattao313]

I think our defense looks its best when we're able to play Beefstew alongside Duren. We have our best rim protection and rebounding and the two started to develop chemistry on offense.

Looks best, maybe. Is not best, or good. Stewart is out of place on defense as a power forward; it emphasizes his poor footspeed and inability (thanks to his poor size and verticality) to play weakside rim defense. On offense, he's has been decidedly meh even when he's been hitting his shots; sinking open threes and doing a bit of attacking on closeouts is the absolute minimum that will be expected from the average perimeter player, and the threes stopped consistently falling about six weeks ago.

If that's really the wrap on Stew, we should trade him.

Not necessarily, its just that most of our guys are bench players. Stewart should be a 20min energy big off the bench, but our team sucks so he gets to start/get extended minutes.

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[theBigLip]

Cap for cap's sake. To what end? It's a fairly unimpressive free agency market and we're not a free agency destination. Not seeing the purpose in essentially punting on all of our young players outside of Cade/Stew/Duren.

Always better to have cap space. There are always trade opportunities with capped out teams. But I agree - the FA market this summer isn’t anything special.

In a vacuum, yes. But cap space isn't of high enough value to trade most of your young players away if that's all you're getting in return.

I never said anything about trading away our young players. My thoughts on “keepers”:

Cade/Hayes
Ivey/???
???/Livers
???/Stewart
Duren/???

I wouldn’t trade any of these guys unless we are getting back a young awesome 3 or 4. Bey and Bagley are expendable as is all our vets.

[coolness]

Cap for cap's sake. To what end? It's a fairly unimpressive free agency market and we're not a free agency destination. Not seeing the purpose in essentially punting on all of our young players outside of Cade/Stew/Duren.

Always better to have cap space. There are always trade opportunities with capped out teams. But I agree - the FA market this summer isn’t anything special.

In a vacuum, yes. But cap space isn't of high enough value to trade most of your young players away if that's all you're getting in return.

I'll take this personally, since I've been taking junk all day for the junk I post lol. Hayes and Bey might get bigger than Bagley contracts and limit us that way. Also, with Cade/Duren/20231st, it could really be significant to sign elite role players like D.Brooks and G.Williams. Guys like that could run out their contracts at different rates than our young players while providing vet presence. Maybe they would re-sign for less when their deals are up. I don't want Jerami Grant though with his too-good-for-$28m thought process.

[coolness]

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

[Crymson]

If that's really the wrap on Stew, we should trade him.

I think he's likely to spend his career as a bench tweener and character guy, and that's fine. Most NBA players are role players.

Not necessarily, its just that most of our guys are bench players. Stewart should be a 20min energy big off the bench, but our team sucks so he gets to start/get extended minutes.

Agreed. I think he can contribute as a bench player (mostly at center) for a contender, assuming he can become a steady shooter---and I think he will.

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

McConnell can't shoot. Drummond is awful on offense and struggles to defend in space, his attitude should never be brought onto this team, and he's got nothing to offer this roster.

No offense to anyone, but I don't understand the continued fascination with Drummond. He was never all that great with the Pistons, and he's a whole lot worse now.

[coolness]

If that's really the wrap on Stew, we should trade him.

I think he's likely to spend his career as a bench tweener and character guy, and that's fine. Most NBA players are role players.

Not necessarily, its just that most of our guys are bench players. Stewart should be a 20min energy big off the bench, but our team sucks so he gets to start/get extended minutes.

Agreed. I think he can contribute as a bench player (mostly at center) for a contender, assuming he can become a steady shooter---and I think he will.

I wonder how much Duren/Stew splitting 48 minutes would cost in the end? :/

Very complementary duo though. About perfect unless Wemby comes along and ruins the day.

[LSV]

Always better to have cap space. There are always trade opportunities with capped out teams. But I agree - the FA market this summer isn’t anything special.

In a vacuum, yes. But cap space isn't of high enough value to trade most of your young players away if that's all you're getting in return.

I never said anything about trading away our young players. My thoughts on “keepers”:

Cade/Hayes
Ivey/???
???/Livers
???/Stewart
Duren/???

I wouldn’t trade any of these guys unless we are getting back a young awesome 3 or 4. Bey and Bagley are expendable as is all our vets.

I think we'll stick with Burks and trade BB on DRAFT day, which will give us another potential lottery or near pick like this year.
Bey will continue in the second unit, and even Stewart if VW arrives in the DRAFT. So the 3 boys of 2020 will be part of that second unit.

Cade - Ivey - xxx - Stewart - Duren
Hayes - Burks - Bey - xxx - Bagley + (Diallo and Livers)

Draft1 Wemby, Scoot or Miller
Draft2 Depends on position

For next season i do expect a significant jump, i don't know if up to 35, 40 or 50 victories.

[chrbal]

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

What’s the overall made up trade?

[coolness]

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

What’s the overall made up trade?

I wasn't 100% sure, but something as small as can be.

Det out: 2nd rounder
Det in: McConnell and Drummond

Chi out: Drummond, fake 2nd
Chi in: 2nd rounder

Indy out: McConnell
Indy in: fake 2nd

That works if Indy really wants off McConnell's contract. It doesn't have to be a fake 2nd though. It could be Chicago giving a real 2nd that is less good than the one they receive to Indy. Maybe even cash. So I didn't mean much for the rest of the trade.

[Pharaoh]

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

What’s the overall made up trade?

I wasn't 100% sure, but something as small as can be.

Det out: 2nd rounder
Det in: McConnell and Drummond

Chi out: Drummond, fake 2nd
Chi in: 2nd rounder

Indy out: McConnell
Indy in: fake 2nd

That works if Indy really wants off McConnell's contract. It doesn't have to be a fake 2nd though. It could be Chicago giving a real 2nd that is less good than the one they receive to Indy. Maybe even cash. So I didn't mean much for the rest of the trade.

IF Indy wants off TJs contract?

Have you seen much of McConnell? There's no universe he gets traded for a fake 2nd rounder!

He's a exceptional role player and has been for a long while now.

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[hoophabit]

I'll break the rules and go off-season again.... a 2nd in a 3-teamer for TJ McConnell and Drummond? Think it has merit?

Surely, this qualifies as incitement?

[coolness]

What’s the overall made up trade?

I wasn't 100% sure, but something as small as can be.

Det out: 2nd rounder
Det in: McConnell and Drummond

Chi out: Drummond, fake 2nd
Chi in: 2nd rounder

Indy out: McConnell
Indy in: fake 2nd

That works if Indy really wants off McConnell's contract. It doesn't have to be a fake 2nd though. It could be Chicago giving a real 2nd that is less good than the one they receive to Indy. Maybe even cash. So I didn't mean much for the rest of the trade.

IF Indy wants off TJs contract?

Have you seen much of McConnell? There's no universe he gets traded for a fake 2nd rounder!

He's a exceptional role player and has been for a long while now.

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EDIT: I was dead wrong about McConell. I just double-checked something. DEAD wrong.

[Laimbeer]

I wasn't 100% sure, but something as small as can be.

Det out: 2nd rounder
Det in: McConnell and Drummond

Chi out: Drummond, fake 2nd
Chi in: 2nd rounder

Indy out: McConnell
Indy in: fake 2nd

That works if Indy really wants off McConnell's contract. It doesn't have to be a fake 2nd though. It could be Chicago giving a real 2nd that is less good than the one they receive to Indy. Maybe even cash. So I didn't mean much for the rest of the trade.

IF Indy wants off TJs contract?

Have you seen much of McConnell? There's no universe he gets traded for a fake 2nd rounder!

He's a exceptional role player and has been for a long while now.

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EDIT: I was dead wrong about McConell. I just double-checked something. DEAD wrong.

That's the first time I've seen 'exceptional' used to describe McConnell in any context. If Indy wanted to move him with no salary back I don't think it would be easy.

That said, another guard and big man who can't shoot are the last things we need.

[NYPiston]

I am not sure....imagine..you are a GM and you have the no1 pick...wemba is a special talent but nothing is sure...talentwise he could become unique, an all time great but until beeing dominant he will need some years.... not to mentioned the history of big guys and theier injury reports....
Than you get a call and someone offers you a top 10 Player, under 30 years old and you would have a window of atleast 5 -7 years ...??and this Superstar makes easier to get a top free agent on board....so you would have the chance to ve competitiv for the next 7 years and you can win some rings......for me IT would be worth csuse wemba would be then 26 and perhaps the player everyone see in him...of cause there is no guarantee...for nothing

Sure but you run the risk of trading the next Giannis/Durant to a franchise that gets a perennial MVP candidate for however many years and the next face of the NBA which would reap franchise changing benefits even beyond the court.

I'm not saying that's Wemby's likely outcome by any means but that's the risk you run if you trade this guy.
Would you trade him for SGA, Brown, Booker somebody like that for a quicker fix? Guys who are excellent players but not transformative players. Ehh, I don't know...