Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[douggood]

zero interest in these firsts 3/4/5 years from now. we should be prioritizing unprotected firsts this year or next and current young talent. absolutely stupid deals from people with no clue.

if you want multiple 1st then then some of them have to be 3-5 years in the future; stepian rule and all that.
most teams with multiple 1sts this years or next are usually bad teams.

people have to stop assuming that the raptors will be the ones using the picks 3/4/5 years in the future, they are tradable assets.

terribly overrated assets. that's my point.

you get the ovverated assets and then you flip them again at the same value, i dont forsee the 1st round pick value market crashing in the next 2-3 years. its not like the new cba is going to change the draft rules.

[traps#10]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

[Tor_Raps]

Sorry but anyone pointing to Fred's defense as a positive clearly hasn't been watching him for a full calendar year now. Dude is a pylon out there who cant stay with his own man nor can he play help defense because he's a midget that also doesnt know how to draw charges. He is the weak link in our defensive philosophy, which is the reason why all teams target him.

I want to thank Fred for everything he's done and the memories but I'm not looking to pay a guy with so many deficiencies 30M+ a year. He's an elite role player who has gotten the ego/usage of a star on this team. No team will ever go far with him as a main offensive weapon.

[douggood]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

they have 3 firsts and thats it. even the fillers salaries are bad contracts.

[Tor_Raps]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

[bboyskinnylegs]

zero interest in these firsts 3/4/5 years from now. we should be prioritizing unprotected firsts this year or next and current young talent. absolutely stupid deals from people with no clue.

future firsts, especially if they figure to be late 1sts, are the most overrated commodity in the league, which is why all these teams gladly sell them off without an issue. what the hell is the point of that suns deal? you just keep og instead of taking that crap.

yeah I could maybe understand that kind of future first gamble if you're trading someone on an expiring deal like Freddy/GTJ and the market isn't high for them - teams can always just threaten to sign them in the offseason using capspace, so our negotiating position is dependent on how desperate the other team is to add our expiring player prior to the playoffs. But O.G. is still under contract, makes no sense to deal him away for that kind of uncertain future return.

Out of all the treasure hoarding of picks OKC has been doing the last few years, the best thing to come out of it up to this point has been the young proven player they directly traded PG for.

[Brinbe]

if you want multiple 1st then then some of them have to be 3-5 years in the future; stepian rule and all that.
most teams with multiple 1sts this years or next are usually bad teams.

people have to stop assuming that the raptors will be the ones using the picks 3/4/5 years in the future, they are tradable assets.

terribly overrated assets. that's my point.

you get the ovverated assets and then you flip them again at the same value, i dont forsee the 1st round pick value market crashing in the next 2-3 years. its not like the new cba is going to change the draft rules.

trading futures is simply risky and terrible roster building. great way to tank the franchise.

[douggood]

terribly overrated assets. that's my point.

you get the ovverated assets and then you flip them again at the same value, i dont forsee the 1st round pick value market crashing in the next 2-3 years. its not like the new cba is going to change the draft rules.

trading futures is simply risky and terrible roster building. great way to tank the franchise.

that goes against your initial argument that getting future picks from other teams is useless for the raptors.
if trading picks tanks the franchise, then its great for the raptors to get the suns picks for example.

[Brinbe]

you get the ovverated assets and then you flip them again at the same value, i dont forsee the 1st round pick value market crashing in the next 2-3 years. its not like the new cba is going to change the draft rules.

trading futures is simply risky and terrible roster building. great way to tank the franchise.

that goes against your initial argument that getting future picks from other teams is useless for the raptors.
if trading picks tanks the franchise, then its great for the raptors to get the suns picks for example.

tanking not in terms of on-the-court, but off-the-court. if you wanna kill interest in basketball in toronto, they follow that ringer plan.

[Zeno]

Would you do Boucher for Hart straight up? I think I’d want a little more than a possible straight salary dump for Boucher which Hart might be given his contract is a player option for next year that if he picks up is non-guaranteed.

[traps#10]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

Thoughts on Josh Green and Christian Woods?

[CoinTossRoss31]

Are we interested in Bones Hyland? Someone I remember liking around draft time but didn't follow his progress in Denver

[Tor_Raps]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

Thoughts on Josh Green and Christian Woods?

Hardy/Green/Woods are their best assets and they might have like 1 pick to trade. Packaging all that would be a joke for Siakam.

Now packaging some of that could work for Fred but I'd hope there would be better offers out there.

[traps#10]

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

Thoughts on Josh Green and Christian Woods?

Hardy/Green/Woods are their best assets and they might have like 1 pick to trade. Packaging all that would be a joke for Siakam.

Now packaging some of that could work for Fred but I'd hope there would be better offers out there.

Yeah definitely not enough for Siakam but possibly enough for FVV.

[Zeno]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

I'm sure mavs fans would freak out giving up too much for Fred as it just looks like an attempt to undo the Brunson mistake. Dinwiddie plus Green, 1st for Fred makes a little sense. Dinwiddie is non-guaranteed so preserving the Fred salary slot would allow Raptors to go after someone next offseason in trade. Again though, Mavs fans would go nuts likely even giving this much for Fred and I think we could probably get more.

[Tor_Raps]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

I'm sure mavs fans would freak out giving up too much for Fred as it just looks like an attempt to undo the Brunson mistake. Dinwiddie plus Green, 1st for Fred makes a little sense. Dinwiddie is non-guaranteed so preserving the Fred salary slot would allow Raptors to go after someone next offseason in trade. Again though, Mavs fans would go nuts likely even giving this much for Fred and I think we could probably get more.

They'd need to keep Dinwiddie while adding Fred.

[Jadoogar]

Are we interested in Bones Hyland? Someone I remember liking around draft time but didn't follow his progress in Denver

The rumours are that Nuggets are looking for wing depth. Bones isn't enough for OG and the Nuggets are out a first from the Gordon trade. Idk if Trent makes much sense for them due to their cap situation. We likely aren't a good match for them

[douggood]

I see the Mavs putting a package for FVV or Siakam or even for both of them. Doncic wants help now

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

I'm sure mavs fans would freak out giving up too much for Fred as it just looks like an attempt to undo the Brunson mistake. Dinwiddie plus Green, 1st for Fred makes a little sense. Dinwiddie is non-guaranteed so preserving the Fred salary slot would allow Raptors to go after someone next offseason in trade. Again though, Mavs fans would go nuts likely even giving this much for Fred and I think we could probably get more.

Dinwiddie got 100% guaranteed next season just this week after playing 50 games.

[Zeno]

Mavs have nothing to offer for Siakam. They'd have to throw everything they have for Fred, which isn't even much.

I'm sure mavs fans would freak out giving up too much for Fred as it just looks like an attempt to undo the Brunson mistake. Dinwiddie plus Green, 1st for Fred makes a little sense. Dinwiddie is non-guaranteed so preserving the Fred salary slot would allow Raptors to go after someone next offseason in trade. Again though, Mavs fans would go nuts likely even giving this much for Fred and I think we could probably get more.

Dinwiddie got 100% guaranteed next season just this week after playing 50 games.

Okay that makes it less appealing.

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