Trade deadline thread

[theBigLip]

This can be a big smoke screen. A great way to keep the price high. There are not a lot of sellers out there. Toronto could be a big player. Myles Turner isn't getting dealt. We are in a good position and I'm pretty confident we will get good offers on Burks and Bogdonovich.

[Snakebites]

The bottom line is we wouldn't have extended him if we weren't prepared to keep him.

Is it possible someone swoops in with a godfather type offer next week? I mean, I guess. But right now I think it's fair to operate under the assumption Bojan remains a Piston, at least until the offseason.

yeah it may be my cynical side but i don't think it means much telling him they're keeping him, it's more that this is the plan right now. i remember masai ujiri promised demar derozan he wasn't getting traded and then a month later was traded for kawhi leonard.

that said i've maintained all along that i'd be happy keeping bojan. he's a great all-around offensive player and the team is at the point where they just need talent, no matter how old/young they are.

It means it’s the plan now. That is significant.

Kawhi Leonard being available was a game changer.

And yes, game changers happen. But they aren’t expected. I’m not seeing a team out there desperate enough to make a game changing offer. I guess it’s possible but it’s nothing to bet on.

[zeebneeb]

Hopefully we get lucky with this draft and go from there. Future is really held up in Cade at the moment.

I am running under the assumption that the draft doesn't matter. It is rare a rookie has a huge impact on a teams winning, we all know that.

For this team to "compete" next year, Cade is going to have to be a monster straight out of the gates. If Bojan is being kept, that means any trade is going to be small, and have no real impact on the team next year.

I guess what I'm saying, is barring some major free agent signing to add some kind of defense to this trainwreck, I don't see how, in any path going forward, this team "competes" next season.

Keeping Bojan signals he is going to start Bojan.

Cade
Ivey
Bojan
Stewart
Duren

I'm also running under the assumption that Casey has dirt on Weaver, because apparently, its impossible to get fired, so there's that.

Hearing this news has really dampened my expectations for next season. I know there is a ton of time between now and October, but we've become accustomed to being excited for 10 games, then start looking forward to the next lottery, draft, and then disappointment.

Hopefully something changes, and I'm just waiting for the sky to fall, but this team really looks like another in a long line of crap Piston teams, that looks good on paper, but never delivers the goods.

Name 5 teams in the East you are co fident we can be better than even if we land Wemby in the Draft.

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I can't name any, that's my point here.

[Crymson]

I wonder how much Duren/Stew splitting 48 minutes would cost in the end? :/

Depends on situation.

Very complementary duo though. About perfect unless Wemby comes along and ruins the day.

I don't think that's the case. Stewart has issues on both offense and defense at power forward.

[coolness]

I wonder how much Duren/Stew splitting 48 minutes would cost in the end? :/

Depends on situation.

Very complementary duo though. About perfect unless Wemby comes along and ruins the day.

I don't think that's the case. Stewart has issues on both offense and defense at power forward.

Buuuut, can Wemby play pf? Duren and Stew splitting 48 means they are both playing center, right?

[Canadafan]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

[bstein14]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

John Collins has basically a Sadiq Bey like impat with a 3 years $80 million contract.

He's a "shooter" that's shooting 25% from three this season.

[Canadafan]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

John Collins has basically a Sadiq Bey like impat with a 3 years $80 million contract.

He's a "shooter" that's shooting 25% from three this season.

I think if you can get a 25yr old that recently just averaged over 20pt and 10rbs and **** over 40% from 3 for a near 35yr old that plays zero defense and maybe Burks as well, then you pull that trigger.
I know he basically plays same position as Wemby but small chance we get him anyways.
Stew can back up Duren and Collins. Those 2 upfront starting with Cade and Ivey in the backcourt ah yaaaaa
I do get that this year he's been bad as Bey. He does have a pretty gruesome looking injury to his hand that he's dealing with too.
If we get Wemby then Duren can head to the bench.
If we don't get Wemby we hopefully draft a SF that can be better than Bey.
We need talent

[coolness]

wrong thread

[Invictus88]

The bottom line is we wouldn't have extended him if we weren't prepared to keep him.

Is it possible someone swoops in with a godfather type offer next week? I mean, I guess. But right now I think it's fair to operate under the assumption Bojan remains a Piston, at least until the offseason.

yeah it may be my cynical side but i don't think it means much telling him they're keeping him, it's more that this is the plan right now. i remember masai ujiri promised demar derozan he wasn't getting traded and then a month later was traded for kawhi leonard.

that said i've maintained all along that i'd be happy keeping bojan. he's a great all-around offensive player and the team is at the point where they just need talent, no matter how old/young they are.

It means it’s the plan now. That is significant.

Kawhi Leonard being available was a game changer.

And yes, game changers happen. But they aren’t expected. I’m not seeing a team out there desperate enough to make a game changing offer. I guess it’s possible but it’s nothing to bet on.

There's really no advantage gained to saying anything different than what has been said publicly; regardless of whether the actual plan is to keep or trade him.

Furthermore, the contract extension he signed isn't exorbitant and basically removes any guesswork (feigned or actual) from the receiving team in a trade. So it might even make him more attractive.

So I don't think it's a great idea to draw any real conclusions from either.

[Snakebites]

yeah it may be my cynical side but i don't think it means much telling him they're keeping him, it's more that this is the plan right now. i remember masai ujiri promised demar derozan he wasn't getting traded and then a month later was traded for kawhi leonard.

that said i've maintained all along that i'd be happy keeping bojan. he's a great all-around offensive player and the team is at the point where they just need talent, no matter how old/young they are.

It means it’s the plan now. That is significant.

Kawhi Leonard being available was a game changer.

And yes, game changers happen. But they aren’t expected. I’m not seeing a team out there desperate enough to make a game changing offer. I guess it’s possible but it’s nothing to bet on.

There's really no advantage gained to saying anything different than what has been said publicly; regardless of whether the actual plan is to keep or trade him.

Furthermore, the contract extension he signed isn't exorbitant and basically removes any guesswork (feigned or actual) from the receiving team in a trade. So it might even make him more attractive.

So I don't think it's a great idea to draw any real conclusions from either.

I’d agree if they hadn’t gone out of their way to meet with Bojan to tell him he’s not being moved.

While they might posture to other teams or even the media I doubt they’d go out of their way to lie to a player in such a formalized way.

I think they genuinely intend to keep him. I’m on the fence as far as what I wish they’d do, so I’m comfortable with keeping him. I think the brass believes will take a leap next year- which they almost have to. In that case keeping Bojan is defensible from a basketball perspective.

[theBigLip]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

Horrible site designed to maximize those clicks with made up bs

[Crymson]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

The idea of Collins is better than the actual Collins. A highly athletic forward who's strong on the pick and roll and as an interior scorer, shoots at a high percentage from three, can create offense, and plays decent defense sounds great on paper. Unfortunately, he's never managed both shooting and defense concurrently, is a malcontent, and is constantly injured.

[DBC10]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

The idea of Collins is better than the actual Collins. A highly athletic forward who's strong on the pick and roll and as an interior scorer, shoots at a high percentage from three, can create offense, and plays decent defense sounds great on paper. Unfortunately, he's never managed both shooting and defense concurrently, is a malcontent, and is constantly injured.

To be fair. I'd be malcontent too if I had to watch Trae Young chuck 30 footers and play LA fitness level defense every night. The Hawks have a lot of problems for sure, but you also have to take a hard look at Trae

[theBigLip]

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/01/24/nba-trade-rumors-atlanta-hawks-detroit-pistons-john-collins-bojan-bogdanovic-cade-cunningham-jaden-ivey/2/

Just when I think I might be the craziest mock trader out there, I read wrticles like this and I feel much better about myself lmao.
Let's get Collins!

The idea of Collins is better than the actual Collins. A highly athletic forward who's strong on the pick and roll and as an interior scorer, shoots at a high percentage from three, can create offense, and plays decent defense sounds great on paper. Unfortunately, he's never managed both shooting and defense concurrently, is a malcontent, and is constantly injured.

Seems like a fair trade. Really curious if Collins would flourish outside of Atlanta. Can’t be easy playing w Tre.

[bstein14]

I wouldn't touch Collins unless we're getting out of the money we're paying Bagley. Bagley + Noel for Collins would be fair IMO. Or at most something like Bagley + Diallo. Utah wouldn't take Collins unless they were getting draft compensation in the deal.

[Invictus88]

It means it’s the plan now. That is significant.

Kawhi Leonard being available was a game changer.

And yes, game changers happen. But they aren’t expected. I’m not seeing a team out there desperate enough to make a game changing offer. I guess it’s possible but it’s nothing to bet on.

There's really no advantage gained to saying anything different than what has been said publicly; regardless of whether the actual plan is to keep or trade him.

Furthermore, the contract extension he signed isn't exorbitant and basically removes any guesswork (feigned or actual) from the receiving team in a trade. So it might even make him more attractive.

So I don't think it's a great idea to draw any real conclusions from either.

I’d agree if they hadn’t gone out of their way to meet with Bojan to tell him he’s not being moved.

While they might posture to other teams or even the media I doubt they’d go out of their way to lie to a player in such a formalized way.

I think they genuinely intend to keep him. I’m on the fence as far as what I wish they’d do, so I’m comfortable with keeping him. I think the brass believes will take a leap next year- which they almost have to. In that case keeping Bojan is defensible from a basketball perspective.

Interesting. I hadn't read that. If I had I would probably be skeptical if it's not from someone who took part in that conversation? But maybe that happened in this case. I'll google around.

I wouldn't put it past folks not directly in touch with Bojan leaking that information in an attempt to drive home the notion that the offer better be good as keeping him is an option. But that is pure speculation on my part.

Edit:
If this is the source of information then I'm still skeptical:
https://pistonpowered.com/2023/01/30/detroit-pistons-rumors-bojan-bogdanovic/

It's much more likely that this is boilerplate conversation that any GM would tell its player to maintain morale and ensure that player still mentally is ready to play well. Otherwise a dip in performance at the wrong moment hurts during trade negotiations.

I don't see anywhere that Pistons brass are saying he isn't going anywhere. I see them saying that he is here to compete. And that's totally true... until he us traded and then he isn't.

[coolness]

EDIT: sorry, wrong thread.

[treefi]

Any interest in Bones Hyland?

[MotownMadness]

Any interest in Bones Hyland?

Like the player but not sure we're the right team