Will Kyrie last the season?

[Gooner]

Hitler imo was one of the top 5 racist people of all time, recorded in history anyways.

He lived in a time when racism was much more rampant and accepted, and still caused an entire World War over his views because of how utterly evil and racist they were. When a society who lived in a racist time agrees that the man needs to be stopped because of his views, it says something.

Meh. The reason why the war started was because of geopolitics not because some holy purpose of fighting one racism or evil. Winston Churchill was just as big of racist as Hitler was. Heck Ghandi was quite racist himself. As you said it was pretty norm in those times. Where Hitler stepped over the line was geopolitics not the idealogy.

It's always geopolitics. Ideology is used as a fuel.

[MrDollarBills]

The Wizards have Avdija too, who I think is the only Jewish NBA player right now.

And what if Ime is on the sidelines? Crazy stuff indeed

Isaiah Hartenstein is Jewish too i believe (I wanted the Nets to sign him this summer. Thank God that didn't happen).

He is German.

Fun fact: His father is Afro-German. Isaiah was born in Oregon. I checked and you're right, he's not Jewish.

[GTR11]

A lot will be decided tomorrow

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[wco81]

Well he's going to last the season.

Playing at all-NBA level now.

The more pertinent question is do they re-sign him and for how long?

He's too good to let walk away at the end of the season for nothing.

But OTOH, they don't want to give him a 4 or 5 year max or super max contract. He may end up playing a lot of games this year but that's not guaranteed in the following seasons.

Once he gets that big bag, the team will have little control over him.

Will some team offer him a 4-year max? Maybe but probably won't be a contender or even a playoffs team.

If Kyrie walks, KD will demand to be traded again.

It's a headache for the team but may be worth it if the team wins a title this year.

People have tossed around the idea of an incentive-laden deal, like number of games played, making all-star or all-NBA teams, how far the team goes.

But typically, players who are performing at a high level do not have to accept incentive-laden contracts.

[sashaturiaf]

Well he's going to last the season.

Playing at all-NBA level now.

The more pertinent question is do they re-sign him and for how long?

He's too good to let walk away at the end of the season for nothing.

But OTOH, they don't want to give him a 4 or 5 year max or super max contract. He may end up playing a lot of games this year but that's not guaranteed in the following seasons.

Once he gets that big bag, the team will have little control over him.

Will some team offer him a 4-year max? Maybe but probably won't be a contender or even a playoffs team.

If Kyrie walks, KD will demand to be traded again.

It's a headache for the team but may be worth it if the team wins a title this year.

People have tossed around the idea of an incentive-laden deal, like number of games played, making all-star or all-NBA teams, how far the team goes.

But typically, players who are performing at a high level do not have to accept incentive-laden contracts.

Your read on the situation is completely correct. I really think Kyrie has all the leverage in this situation especially since he has held up his end of the bargain this season thus far.

I think right now it's just a matter of haggling over how many years the max contract is for, Nets will ideally want 3 and Kyrie will want the full 5. I would take 2 year max with a player option for another season as a big win for the Nets.

[NetsWorld]

Well he's going to last the season.

Playing at all-NBA level now.

The more pertinent question is do they re-sign him and for how long?

He's too good to let walk away at the end of the season for nothing.

But OTOH, they don't want to give him a 4 or 5 year max or super max contract. He may end up playing a lot of games this year but that's not guaranteed in the following seasons.

Once he gets that big bag, the team will have little control over him.

Will some team offer him a 4-year max? Maybe but probably won't be a contender or even a playoffs team.

If Kyrie walks, KD will demand to be traded again.

It's a headache for the team but may be worth it if the team wins a title this year.

People have tossed around the idea of an incentive-laden deal, like number of games played, making all-star or all-NBA teams, how far the team goes.

But typically, players who are performing at a high level do not have to accept incentive-laden contracts.

Your read on the situation is completely correct. I really think Kyrie has all the leverage in this situation especially since he has held up his end of the bargain this season thus far.

I think right now it's just a matter of haggling over how many years the max contract is for, Nets will ideally want 3 and Kyrie will want the full 5. I would take 2 year max with a player option for another season as a big win for the Nets.

Nets have no assets and by extension, no leverage. They should extend him for 3-4 years since KD is already locked up. They are our future and as long they are around, we get national exposure and other players will want to play here.

[GTR11]

Well he's going to last the season.

Playing at all-NBA level now.

The more pertinent question is do they re-sign him and for how long?

He's too good to let walk away at the end of the season for nothing.

But OTOH, they don't want to give him a 4 or 5 year max or super max contract. He may end up playing a lot of games this year but that's not guaranteed in the following seasons.

Once he gets that big bag, the team will have little control over him.

Will some team offer him a 4-year max? Maybe but probably won't be a contender or even a playoffs team.

If Kyrie walks, KD will demand to be traded again.

It's a headache for the team but may be worth it if the team wins a title this year.

People have tossed around the idea of an incentive-laden deal, like number of games played, making all-star or all-NBA teams, how far the team goes.

But typically, players who are performing at a high level do not have to accept incentive-laden contracts.

Marks has all but Ben and KD expire after 2024. Really wonder if Ben will last this trade deadline. If he is, than offseason will tell us more.

Kyrie will not get contract he wants from any team. Not even LA going to give him full max without terms and conditions.

Better question is. What will KD say and do as you said. This PO will determine a lot.

[TheNetsFan]

Well he's going to last the season.

Playing at all-NBA level now.

The more pertinent question is do they re-sign him and for how long?

He's too good to let walk away at the end of the season for nothing.

But OTOH, they don't want to give him a 4 or 5 year max or super max contract. He may end up playing a lot of games this year but that's not guaranteed in the following seasons.

Once he gets that big bag, the team will have little control over him.

Will some team offer him a 4-year max? Maybe but probably won't be a contender or even a playoffs team.

If Kyrie walks, KD will demand to be traded again.

It's a headache for the team but may be worth it if the team wins a title this year.

People have tossed around the idea of an incentive-laden deal, like number of games played, making all-star or all-NBA teams, how far the team goes.

But typically, players who are performing at a high level do not have to accept incentive-laden contracts.

Marks has all but Ben and KD expire after 2024. Really wonder if Ben will last this trade deadline. If he is, than offseason will tell us more.

Kyrie will not get contract he wants from any team. Not even LA going to give him full max without terms and conditions.

Better question is. What will KD say and do as you said. This PO will determine a lot.

LA doesn't have full max space to offer him. The max space teams as of now will be Houston, Detroit and San Antonio. Houston is likely the only one that could be interested in Kyrie. LAL can get to roughly $32mil in space. A Kyrie max is going to start around $43mil. My guess is we'll give him a couple options like 2/$80mil or 3/$110 keeping the annual value above what LA can offer, but decreasing with extra years.

[MrDollarBills]

i think they need to get the extension done over ASB. Make basketball and winning a priority.

[3pt_chucker]

I think they wait till the end of the season. No reason to sign him before then.

[wco81]

If his percentages drop or say he only shoots 43/33/86 in the playoffs and the Nets don't go all the way., the extension talk would cool down.

[wco81]

Well that didn’t take long.

Any extension the Nets would have given him would have to have conditions on number of games played.

Otherwise, they’d be encouraging them to mess with the team any time something ticks him off.

Without any conditions but say a fully guaranteed extension over $200 million, he’d be back on social media making some noise and ther would be nothing the Nets could do.

Maybe Nets fans are more likely to be on his side because the team was doing so well. But once the torrid shooting of the team as a whole regressed to the mean, committing fully to Kyrie might not look so smart.

[Riconet]

Well, it's now pretty close to 100% certain that the bozo will be gone, most likely by Thursday.

[wco81]

Don't know how reliable this guy is on NBA matters but he says Nets offered an extension with "stipulations" and Kyrie was "vehemently" against any stipulations.

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Sounds about right.

[gigantes]

This is such a ludicrous situation all around, directly enabled by how much outsized power stars have over teams, and teams have over their fanbases. Neither thing is healthy as I see it.

Marks & Tsai seem to have been in lockstep since the summer, and I can't blame them one bit for offering an incentivised contract half a year ago, then sticking to their guns ever since. It was the appropriate thing to do, and the alternative would be like buckling to a hostage-terrorist situation, if you'll forgive the extreme analogy.

[wco81]

Can't blame him for wanting a full extension without stipulations.

He's been playing lights out for a couple of months but that play may not be sustainable. Remember, he didn't play that well in the series against Boston last April.

Even without the drama, a 5-year max extension may not be a slam dunk. He's a smaller guard who's over 30 now. Remember Isaiah Thomas wanting them to back up the trucks before he got injured? He had an almost MVP level season for the Celtics that year.

Or someone like Kemba.

For both their extensions, people brought up histories of smaller guards on the wrong side of 30 not sustaining their performance well into their 30s.

Now Kyrie is bigger and way more athletic than either of them but he's still a 6-2 guard who's going to turn 31 in less than 2 months. He's had injuries but those were in his mid 20s? He's going to be more vulnerable to injury risk impacting his game than a taller player.

His main value is in shot creation so he needs to retain peak athleticism, moreso than players like Lowry, Conley, CP3. Those older guards have all dealt with injuries. Still effective in some games but their availability has decreased because of age and injuries.

[NetsWorld]

Can't blame him for wanting a full extension without stipulations.

He's been playing lights out for a couple of months but that play may not be sustainable. Remember, he didn't play that well in the series against Boston last April.

Even without the drama, a 5-year max extension may not be a slam dunk. He's a smaller guard who's over 30 now. Remember Isaiah Thomas wanting them to back up the trucks before he got injured? He had an almost MVP level season for the Celtics that year.

Or someone like Kemba.

For both their extensions, people brought up histories of smaller guards on the wrong side of 30 not sustaining their performance well into their 30s.

Now Kyrie is bigger and way more athletic than either of them but he's still a 6-2 guard who's going to turn 31 in less than 2 months. He's had injuries but those were in his mid 20s? He's going to be more vulnerable to injury risk impacting his game than a taller player.

His main value is in shot creation so he needs to retain peak athleticism, moreso than players like Lowry, Conley, CP3. Those older guards have all dealt with injuries. Still effective in some games but their availability has decreased because of age and injuries.

I am not against moving him, in fact, he has not done anything for the Nets in terms of winning a ring. Phoenix is a team of interest because I am wondering how both teams can facilitate a trade that would keep both teams competitive and playing at a high level. Suns have Johnson, Ayton and Paul. Would a haul of Clax, Kyrie and Simmons for those three work? How would the balance tip? Also, the Nets would need to redevelop chemistry again and we have been enough of a cluster ****. I don't know. Ayton would assuredly give us a big body down low but we lose 27 PPG. Would Phoenix be interested in doing a Booker/Ayton/Crowder for Kyrie's expiring, Claxton, Simmons and future picks? Phoenix is an experiment that has not worked out and the Suns should look for change as well. Nets are on the winning side so it wouldn't make sense to rebuild.