2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[NapoleonII]

Am I the only one who would not trade Cam Johnson straight up for OG? You guys are talking about trading Cam PLUS Two 1st rounders. Hell no!


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I'm a bit torn on this.

I love CamJo and I think he's our PF now and for the future, but he got ABUSED in that Dallas series. Luka was hunting him anytime he could.

But his shooting is too important for us.

[Crives]

Am I the only one who would not trade Cam Johnson straight up for OG? You guys are talking about trading Cam PLUS Two 1st rounders. Hell no!


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I'm a bit torn on this.

I love CamJo and I think he's our PF now and for the future, but he got ABUSED in that Dallas series. Luka was hunting him anytime he could.

But his shooting is too important for us.

OG is terrible on offense. Go to raptors board and read his offensive thread. I would rather have Johnson. Luka is just going to set screens to get preferred defender anyway.

[Slim Charless]

Am I the only one who would not trade Cam Johnson straight up for OG? You guys are talking about trading Cam PLUS Two 1st rounders. Hell no!


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I'm a bit torn on this.

I love CamJo and I think he's our PF now and for the future, but he got ABUSED in that Dallas series. Luka was hunting him anytime he could.

But his shooting is too important for us.

OG is terrible on offense. Go to raptors board and read his offensive thread. I would rather have Johnson. Luka is just going to set screens to get preferred defender anyway.

No he isn't. That's the point. With OG and Mikal out there he won't be able to do that. Plus, with OG we'll actually have someone who fights through their screen and forces the match-up.

Not everyone is as willing to be taken advantage of as Mikal is with that stuff.

Adding OG to this team could make it the best defense in the league. Everyone job gets easier, especially Ayton's.

[matt131]

The Suns are 11-3 with Cam Johnson this season.

The Suns are 16-22 without Cam Johnson this season.

(I understand that Paul has probably played in most of Johnson's games, but still)

Some may say he is injury prone or not strong enough. But Jones is going to tell me that OG Anunoby is 3 first round picks better than Johnson and that OG is what this team needs?

If we make this trade but don't trade any of our expiring contracts and keep Shamet and Dario, I am not sure my heart will be able to handle the rest of the season (which will be no playoffs or a first round exit).

Cam and 3 firsts for OG? If Matt Ishbia wants to find a way to Suns fans' hearts, this aint it. We were all just talking about 4 first round picks, Cam and fillers FOR EFFING KD. And now it gets us OG?

I understand there may be more to this or that the Suns just don't want to pay an injury prone player, but then why in the hell trade him for OG? Ugh I can literally hear Monty and Jones saying they were comfortable trading Cam because they have enough movement shooting on this team with *barf* Shamet. It's like they don't even watch the same games we do.

Okay, back to hiding as my blood pressure can barely handle this season as is. Not to mention the Chargers just about killed all passion I have for sports in general.

[bwoolf2]

I'm a bit torn on this.

I love CamJo and I think he's our PF now and for the future, but he got ABUSED in that Dallas series. Luka was hunting him anytime he could.

But his shooting is too important for us.

OG is terrible on offense. Go to raptors board and read his offensive thread. I would rather have Johnson. Luka is just going to set screens to get preferred defender anyway.

No he isn't. That's the point. With OG and Mikal out there he won't be able to do that. Plus, with OG we'll actually have someone who fights through their screen and forces the match-up.

Not everyone is as willing to be taken advantage of as Mikal is with that stuff.

Adding OG to this team could make it the best defense in the league. Everyone job gets easier, especially Ayton's.

Ya because Luka gets slowed down often, he abused every defender he went up against, and OG is too small to guard him same size as Crowder who also got abused. Be better off with Vanderbilt, longer more athletic type.

Doncic has averaged 27.2 points, 9.7 rebounds and 8.3 assists in 9 games against the Raptors in his career

[Ghost of Kleine]

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2023/01/31/boston-celtics-rival-trade-offer-wing/

As far as the Bucks offer goes for Crowder, I actually think that I like this offer in the article that he has the Boston Celtics offering for Crowder this guy mentions an offer of:

Crowder for Pritchard/ Gallinari/ 2nd. I mean obviously this offer would have better value than the Bucks offer because at least Pritchard and Gallinari are not washed throw ins in a
Deal for Crowder. I would push for the 2nd to be a 23' option ( Orlando 23' 2nd) as we need more young cost controlled talent to begin offsetting our bigger core salaries as a LT team.

Maybe we could even flip Pritchard and the 2nd to Denver for Hyland too?

[NapoleonII]

And I will say that CamJo (despite the rust of coming back from injury) looks better on defense. The game is slowing down on that end for him, and he's been a lot more active (deflections, steals, good positioning).

[NapoleonII]

And Luka is going to get his no matter what.

Our shooting has to be a priority...you don't give up our best sized shooter to marginally upgrade defense...defense can't just be magically solved with new personel.

Booker/Mikal have to step up defensively in the playoffs, they were pretty pathetic in that Dallas series last year.

[Slim Charless]

OG is terrible on offense. Go to raptors board and read his offensive thread. I would rather have Johnson. Luka is just going to set screens to get preferred defender anyway.

No he isn't. That's the point. With OG and Mikal out there he won't be able to do that. Plus, with OG we'll actually have someone who fights through their screen and forces the match-up.

Not everyone is as willing to be taken advantage of as Mikal is with that stuff.

Adding OG to this team could make it the best defense in the league. Everyone job gets easier, especially Ayton's.

Ya because Luka gets slowed down often, he abused every defender he went up against, and OG is too small to guard him same size as Crowder who also got abused. Be better off with Vanderbilt, longer more athletic type.

Doncic has averaged 27.2 points, 9.7 rebounds and 8.3 assists in 9 games against the Raptors in his career

Again, missing the point. He can force the switch when there's 1 all NBA defender, he won't be able to do that when's there's 2. Also this allows Ayton the ability to stay home and alter shots when guys get to the rim. This also saves cp3 energy as once again they won't be able to hunt as easily.

Literally there's no team in the league that would be able to attack teams with 2 1st team defense wings.

And I will say that CamJo (despite the rust of coming back from injury) looks better on defense. The game is slowing down on that end for him, and he's been a lot more active (deflections, steals, good positioning).

CamJo's shooting was awful in the playoffs last year
Awful. His defense has improved I guess but he'll never be an OG-who just 2 years ago shot .400 from 3

It's way easier for OG to become an even better 3 point shooter than it is for CamJo to become an all league defender. They both get injured about the same amount of time. OG is also signed to a better deal than CamJo is likely to sign.

[BobbieL]

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2023/01/31/boston-celtics-rival-trade-offer-wing/

As far as the Bucks offer goes for Crowder, I actually think that I like this offer in the article that he has the Boston Celtics offering for Crowder this guy mentions an offer of:

Crowder for Pritchard/ Gallinari/ 2nd. I mean obviously this offer would have better value than the Bucks offer because at least Pritchard and Gallinari are not washed throw ins in a
Deal for Crowder. I would push for the 2nd to be a 23' option ( Orlando 23' 2nd) as we need more young cost controlled talent to begin offsetting our bigger core salaries as a LT team.

Maybe we could even flip Pritchard and the 2nd to Denver for Hyland too?

I thought of this trade as well. Gallo has a player option this summer so it could be just Pritchard the pick and gallo for Jae

[BobbieL]

The Suns are 11-3 with Cam Johnson this season.

The Suns are 16-22 without Cam Johnson this season.

(I understand that Paul has probably played in most of Johnson's games, but still)

Some may say he is injury prone or not strong enough. But Jones is going to tell me that OG Anunoby is 3 first round picks better than Johnson and that OG is what this team needs?

If we make this trade but don't trade any of our expiring contracts and keep Shamet and Dario, I am not sure my heart will be able to handle the rest of the season (which will be no playoffs or a first round exit).

Cam and 3 firsts for OG? If Matt Ishbia wants to find a way to Suns fans' hearts, this aint it. We were all just talking about 4 first round picks, Cam and fillers FOR EFFING KD. And now it gets us OG?

I understand there may be more to this or that the Suns just don't want to pay an injury prone player, but then why in the hell trade him for OG? Ugh I can literally hear Monty and Jones saying they were comfortable trading Cam because they have enough movement shooting on this team with *barf* Shamet. It's like they don't even watch the same games we do.

Okay, back to hiding as my blood pressure can barely handle this season as is. Not to mention the Chargers just about killed all passion I have for sports in general.

Would it really be Cam and three firsts. That’s way too much. I think Cam and two firsts is a lot.

I agree though. Shamet needs to be moved as does Dario

[irish22022]

I gotta say, I'm surprised people are hopping on the Trade Dario train. He's finally getting back to being an NBA player. Having a guy that can come off the bench and actually do something on both sides of the floor is huge for us. He can also be a stretch 5. He's slower than ever now, I get it, but against other teams' backup centers he doesn't look as slow. I think Dario is shaping up to be a pretty important piece to this team, honestly.

[spanishninja]

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I just don't think I could/would do it IF the price is Johnson and multiple picks! I wouldn't even have Johnson on the table with how good he's been since returning from injury!

Agreed Cam and multiple picks is too much for OG, I would ship Craig and maybe a couple picks at most.

and isn't the point of this trade talk to ship out Crowder?

[dremill24]

I gotta say, I'm surprised people are hopping on the Trade Dario train. He's finally getting back to being an NBA player. Having a guy that can come off the bench and actually do something on both sides of the floor is huge for us. He can also be a stretch 5. He's slower than ever now, I get it, but against other teams' backup centers he doesn't look as slow. I think Dario is shaping up to be a pretty important piece to this team, honestly.

Both though? while he's coming around on offense, that defense is pretty bad. He gives a little more size at the 4 for rebounding but not sure that outweighs constantly being in recovery rotations cause he got beat or all the fouls cause he cant keep up with drivers or protect the rim.

[BobbieL]

From Shams via Sidery: OG for Cam, Saric and picks is what Shams is saying

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As for the Crowder deal - if you do trade Cam and Saric - the Bucks deal of Hill and Connaughton might make sense for the bench. I would prefer though to get rid of Shamet in a deal as well

[Saberestar]

From Shams via Sidery: OG for Cam, Saric and picks is what Shams is saying

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As for the Crowder deal - if you do trade Cam and Saric - the Bucks deal of Hill and Connaughton might make sense for the bench. I would prefer though to get rid of Shamet in a deal as well

Well, Shams didn't say that. Sidery usually adds or changes info from reporters.

It's in the video de actual info. We are interested in Anunoby for real.

[BobbieL]

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I just don't think I could/would do it IF the price is Johnson and multiple picks! I wouldn't even have Johnson on the table with how good he's been since returning from injury!

Agreed Cam and multiple picks is too much for OG, I would ship Craig and maybe a couple picks at most.

and isn't the point of this trade talk to ship out Crowder?

Use Crowder for assets that can be flipped to a third team for an upgrade combined with players/assets from the Suns.

[BobbieL]

From Shams via Sidery: OG for Cam, Saric and picks is what Shams is saying

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As for the Crowder deal - if you do trade Cam and Saric - the Bucks deal of Hill and Connaughton might make sense for the bench. I would prefer though to get rid of Shamet in a deal as well

Well, Shams didn't say that. Sidery usually adds or changes info from reporters.

It's in the video de actual info. We are interested in Anunoby for real.

I just meant that Sham referenced the Suns have the picks and names like Cam J and Saric - more of a possible structure of a trade. As cap wise -it would take Saric or Crowder along with Cam J

[Slim Charless]

Agreed Cam and multiple picks is too much for OG, I would ship Craig and maybe a couple picks at most.

and isn't the point of this trade talk to ship out Crowder?

Use Crowder for assets that can be flipped to a third team for an upgrade combined with players/assets from the Suns.

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I just don't think I could/would do it IF the price is Johnson and multiple picks! I wouldn't even have Johnson on the table with how good he's been since returning from injury!

Gambo shoots down every good trade rumor but thinks this is OG for 2-3 picks PLUS CamJo is reasonable? GTFO

I would do that trade all day. CamJo is gonna need a new deal and is just as incredibly injury prone as any player in the league. He's not 1/3 the defender OG.

You guys want your Kawhi 2.0? Well there it is. Someone who can actually be Kawhi.

OG is as close defensively as any player in the league. CamJo and 2-3 (protected) picks is fine. I'd make them take Dario so that we can recoup a pick from trading Jae to another team.

Yes. Do this all day. Major upgrade.

Someone already had this brilliant idea. JJ and Masai are lurking here, taking my ideas.

I'll allow it though. If it gets us OG.

[Slim Charless]

If you go to the Raptors board btw, there's a video of Chris Paul last night dabbing all the Raptors up after the game....but when he gets to OG he stops says something to him and then OG says something back.

Could be nothing, could be something. CP3 knows that OG could be a game changer on this team