Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[mtcan]

Shams says that the deal is CamJo, Dario and 2 firsts. That seems fair and it allows us to keep Jae Crowder so we can recoup value that we're giving to you for OG.

I’d rather get picks from the Knicks than do this

We'll see. I think CamJo is a great add to your team as he'll open things up. The Knicks would only be offering some of those weird protected picks they have. I don't think they're offering the good picks.

This is an even trade imo. You guys will love Cam Johnson.

Cam is also looking to get paid. Don't know what kind of contract he is looking for...but his career projection is a 6th or 7th man...

[Rapsfan07]

We continue to discuss not wanting to pay Van Vleet or Trent market salaries next year, potentially $35 mil and $25 mil respectively, but salary considerations are very important. Resigning those 2 at those numbers, while keeping the rest of the roster the same, puts us well into the tax next year (by, very roughly, $10 mil). I believe we can all agree that we are NOT going to be taxpayers next year, so something has to give, quite aside from the basketball considerations at play.

We could decline Thad's option, and replace him with a minimum player, but we'd still be about $5 mil into tax territory. Trading OG for young, cheap prospect(s) and picks, with expirings to make the trade work, could solve the problem. A Trent trade on the same basis would give us more maneuvering room, but, in terms of payroll moving forward, trading Fred would seem to put us in the best spot tax-wise. Many would argue it also puts us in the best position roster-wise as well. Though OG would clearly bring back the best return of the 3, Fred should still fetch a very good haul, and would be my top choice for being moved next week.

Correct,despite all the fanboy type posts, financial reality is that 1 starter must go. Aside from on the court issues. ESPECIALLY, if they get a share of salary cap tax from teams that exceed the cap (I'm not 100% clear on the league rules here). No way MLSE turns down a free $20M.

Correct. We still need to move at least one of these guys.

[God Squad]

Shams says PHX gonna go hard for OG now

What are they going to offer? I have to imagine they will be offering Cam Johnson and at least a first or two. That means we'll be taking back either Crowder or Saric.

I think New Orleans might be able to give us a better package. The have the Lakers first, Dyson Daniels, Trey Murphy and a salary ballast of Graham to create a package.

IMO, unless we'll be sending Crowder or Saric to another team for additional value, NOLA looks like the better destination.

Shams says that the deal is CamJo, Dario and 2 firsts. That seems fair and it allows us to keep Jae Crowder so we can recoup value that we're giving to you for OG.

If that's truly the offer then I think New York's offer is the better of the two. But we'll see as days get closer. I do think OG's getting moved, and hopefully FVV as well.

[CoinTossRoss31]

So what's realistically on the board for OG sounds like:

NYK : Obi Toppenen + 3 protected first (Maybe 1 or 2 UNP) + Filler
PHX: Cam Johnson + Saric + 2 UNP Firsts
POR: Sharpe + Hart
NOP: ?

[God Squad]

TBH I was hoping to flip FVV to Phoenix for picks&filler. Then flip OG for the 3 FRP picks NY has. But it seems both teams want OG, and no ones really looking at FVV.

[Raptors Realtor]

its only FVV.



when OG has issues with you, you are not him.

Watch OG and Fred get traded together to the suns

please let it be the Suns problem, not ours. both will be lowered in the pecking order - both possibly to the bench.

For who though?... they don't have the assets to acquire both, not even sure I like what they can offer for just OG.

[Oakvillehoops]

Which playoff teams/contenders are most likely to become lottery teams in the next few years? That’s who I’m dealing with.

I could see philly blowing it up when they lose this year, harden walks and eventually Embiid asks for out

[goinrogue]

Shams says that the deal is CamJo, Dario and 2 firsts. That seems fair and it allows us to keep Jae Crowder so we can recoup value that we're giving to you for OG.

I’d rather get picks from the Knicks than do this

We'll see. I think CamJo is a great add to your team as he'll open things up. The Knicks would only be offering some of those weird protected picks they have. I don't think they're offering the good picks.

This is an even trade imo. You guys will love Cam Johnson.

And you guys will love OG. He’s playing with ball hogs looking to get theirs. This is a big mistake to move him imo. The only thing with OG is he has 2 left feet and can’t dribble. May never be more than a 3 and D guy but still that’s great to have.

[vulture]

The one concern with Cam Johnson is he's had 2 meniscus knee surgeries with his latest one being a snip. That likely means that it could become a bone on bone issue and arthritic in time.
Obviously there is risk there so if the raptors are willing to take him on as the main piece in a return for OG I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.

[Rapsfan07]

So what's realistically on the board for OG sounds like:

NYK : Obi Toppenen + 3 protected first (Maybe 1 or 2 UNP) + Filler
PHX: Cam Johnson + Saric + 2 UNP Firsts
POR: Sharpe + Hart
NOP: ?

NYK: I'd prefer to send Trent to NYK. Yes, they have more picks but they're pretty heavily protected.
POR: I'd wait on them to blink for Siakam.
PHX: Meh. I think we can do better but not bad at all.
NOP: Graham, Daniels and Murphy is what I'd be looking for

[ItsDanger]

Need more Fred rumours.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Watch OG and Fred get traded together to the suns

please let it be the Suns problem, not ours. both will be lowered in the pecking order - both possibly to the bench.

For who though?... they don't have the assets to acquire both, not even sure I like what they can offer for just OG.

they have Ayton and CamJo and Saric FRPs - not saying we will like it but they have enough crap to offer - just saying

[Son Goku 25]

Western Conference teams should be lining up to get OG.

He is the ultimate guy to put on these bigger scoring forwards. I mean, you can even put him on Jokic and not have to double.

Once Kawhi starts going ham again OG will be that guy to put on him.

[goinrogue]

Need more Fred rumours.

Think Masai bobby and Nick are too attached to Fred to move him

[Slim Charless]

The one concern with Cam Johnson is he's had 2 meniscus knee surgeries with his latest one being a snip. That likely means that it could become a bone on bone issue and arthritic in time.
Obviously there is risk there so if the raptors are willing to take him on as the main piece in a return for OG I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.

He's a dead eye shooter though and will be incredibly useful for opening things for Siakam and Scottie. He missed time last year with a soft tissue thing from a dirty hit from Julius Randle (those 2 have issues btw so there might be fireworks when you play the NYK) and he took time to heal.

He's gotten alot better on defense too. That was 1 of his weaknesses coming into the league but he's worked harder at it and is decent considering that wasn't his "thing" in college.

[Bruin]

The one concern with Cam Johnson is he's had 2 meniscus knee surgeries with his latest one being a snip. That likely means that it could become a bone on bone issue and arthritic in time.
Obviously there is risk there so if the raptors are willing to take him on as the main piece in a return for OG I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.

He's a dead eye shooter though and will be incredibly useful for opening things for Siakam and Scottie. He missed time last year with a soft tissue thing from a dirty hit from Julius Randle (those 2 have issues btw so there might be fireworks when you play the NYK) and he took time to heal.

He's gotten alot better on defense too. That was 1 of his weaknesses coming into the league but he's worked harder at it and is decent considering that wasn't his "thing" in college.

In vacuum, Cam Johnson is nice. But if we’re planning to do a rebuild, we prefer young assets/picks. Not a guy who’s older than the one we’re trading away

[ash_k]

The only reason the Raps were able to do a sign-and-trade was because the Heat wanted to sign PJ Tucker with the MLE. I highly doubt it was because Kyle didn’t want to leave for nothing.

It’ll be the same for Fred. He owes nothing to the Raptors as a UFA.

and it all started with the strong relationship built with Kyle (and his agent) over time. The same would happen with Fred. It has nothing to do with "owing" anything to anyone. Those kind of players are certainly not "mercenaries": They just want to get paid as much they can, rightfully so (no discounts!)!

Would be fools gold to expect that with FVV or anyone on this roster lol.

Lowry was an unique case.

Do you want to pretend now that Lowry was not in the discussion for Conley+Gasol for Lowry+JV?
Nobody on the current roster has brought the tension that Lowry did.

If FVV leaves, he will not go 'for nothing'. Nobody expected to negotiate new contracts under a losing record cloud. Right now FVV and them can't quite have their chest all the way up, under those conditions, while negotiating.

[douggood]

In vacuum, Cam Johnson is nice. But if we’re planning to do a rebuild, we prefer young assets/picks. Not a guy who’s older than the one we’re trading away

not everything is set in stone, this deadline doesnt mean the player we get will be here 2-3 years down the road. its masai mo to churn assets, and if its cam thats the playbook. same if its 28/29 draft picks, that doesnt mean they will just sit on the balance book till then, they are tradable assets. we are not putting final touches on a contending team at this deadline.

[vulture]

The one concern with Cam Johnson is he's had 2 meniscus knee surgeries with his latest one being a snip. That likely means that it could become a bone on bone issue and arthritic in time.
Obviously there is risk there so if the raptors are willing to take him on as the main piece in a return for OG I hope it doesn't come back to bite them.

He's a dead eye shooter though and will be incredibly useful for opening things for Siakam and Scottie. He missed time last year with a soft tissue thing from a dirty hit from Julius Randle (those 2 have issues btw so there might be fireworks when you play the NYK) and he took time to heal.

He's gotten alot better on defense too. That was 1 of his weaknesses coming into the league but he's worked harder at it and is decent considering that wasn't his "thing" in college.

Oh I'm not doubting his shooting and I'm very confident in his ability to do that off movement or standstill. Having 2 meniscus surgeries is a concern for me and especially the snip he just had causes bone on bone issues in the long run. I hope he stays healthy and has a long career, but the history is against him.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Who would that be?

I don't think Phoenix has the right assets to acquire OG from us but they do have the assets to acquire FVV from us.

Salary filler and 1st round draft picks. At this point getting rid of Fred is addition through subtraction. For Fred you do it. OG on the other hand is likely gonna stay and regardless is worth more than some 1st round picks which aren't guaranteed to be good ones.