[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[ATLTimekeeper]

Seriously, how is it not obvious. It’s more about the players you are playing behind then it is about usage. I don’t think many starters in this league would be happy running up and down the court watching Fred chuck. I dare say OG will be far happier in the 3&D role while playing behind someone like Booker.

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

Yes grass is often greener, but when your pecking order sucks it also breeds resentment. Given how OG was quoted years ago in Nurse’s book, I’m sure OG is just tired of feeling that resentment.

If he can't handle Fred asking for the ball after a rebound wait until he hears how Chris Paul talks to his teammates.

Either way, no one's been traded yet. I assume if OG is the only one to go it was a careful decision made by management.

[Slim Charless]

he is very very very plugged into the Arizona sports scene. consider it a tempering of expectations by the suns organization.

Lmao wants off the Anunoby contract is definitely a way to frame this conversation.

This guy is a total ass-hat. PHX has Bridges and Johnson now. OG could be a Crowder replacement, but they have a much bigger replacement need going forward in Chris Paul. OG is a smokescreen for their actual interest in FVV, who they have been mentioned as an interested party when FVV opts out. Raptors have bird rights, and could trump what PHX might offer, so PHX would have interest in trading for him since they then have his bird rights.

Meh.

He has connections to our front office. He's probably getting fed this by them. Could work for us obviously as I think that'd be a good deal. Could also mean NYC ups their offer or maybe Memphis/NOP decides to jump in to keep us away from him.

We'll see. Doubt Gambo is just pulling this outta his azz though.

[Los_29]

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

lakers gave up 8th pick in 2022 to pelicans
maybe another lotto pick this year, maybe another lotto pick next year.
have picked in the lotto top 4, four or five times past decade. enough with the lakers invisibility talk. (randle ball ingram deangleo russell)

caris lavert with 1.5 years got (projected 24th pick this year to pacers) was a lotto protected pick becoming a 2nd.
derrick white with 3-4 years on contract got 24th pick and a swap.

The Lakers have 5 years to not become a lottery team. I don't think we are in a position to be betting on picks 5 and 7 years down the road. That would be a pretty disappointing trade in my opinion.

[navyblue]

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

lakers gave up 8th pick in 2022 to pelicans
maybe another lotto pick this year, maybe another lotto pick next year.
have picked in the lotto top 4, four or five times past decade. enough with the lakers invisibility talk. (randle ball ingram deangleo russell)

caris lavert with 1.5 years got (projected 24th pick this year to pacers) was a lotto protected pick becoming a 2nd.
derrick white with 3-4 years on contract got 24th pick and a swap.

The Lakers have 5 years to not become a lottery team. I don't think we are in a position to be betting on picks 5 and 7 years down the road. That would be a pretty disappointing trade in my opinion.

To you maybe they aren't valuable. But in analyst circle they are considered prime assets. Because they probably be unprotected. and time line doesn't matter since you can trade them. You could get 20th pick from some other teams right now, but the unknown pick down the road has more value.

[TRik]

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

Yes grass is often greener, but when your pecking order sucks it also breeds resentment. Given how OG was quoted years ago in Nurse’s book, I’m sure OG is just tired of feeling that resentment.

If he can't handle Fred asking for the ball after a rebound wait until he hears how Chris Paul talks to his teammates.

Either way, no one's been traded yet. I assume if OG is the only one to go it was a careful decision made by management.

Huge difference between taking orders from a future hall of famer and the pointgod…..and Fred.

As the point I was making, if you don’t respect the pecking order you’re not going to be happy. Which with our pecking order is kinda fair.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Yes grass is often greener, but when your pecking order sucks it also breeds resentment. Given how OG was quoted years ago in Nurse’s book, I’m sure OG is just tired of feeling that resentment.

If he can't handle Fred asking for the ball after a rebound wait until he hears how Chris Paul talks to his teammates.

Either way, no one's been traded yet. I assume if OG is the only one to go it was a careful decision made by management.

Huge difference between taking orders from a future hall of famer and the pointgod…..and Fred.

As the point I was making, if you don’t respect the pecking order you’re not going to be happy. Which with our pecking order is kinda fair.

If he thinks he deserves the ball more than Fred or Pascal or Scottie he had ample opportunity to show it.

[Tha Cynic]

There’s only 3 franchises I’d be focused on getting a deal done with for OG…

1. NOP (something centered around Murphy and/or Daniels + pick(s))
2. POR (something centered around Sharpe + pick)
3. OKC (JDub + Dieng + picks)

Not remotely interested in any of MEM or NYK’s mediocre players and even more mediocre draft picks. I like PHX’s picks BUT I just like ensuring we get a better young player in either NOP, POR or OKC trade more who will also be closer in age to Scottie which basically ensures they develop together. But the bottomline for me is to aim to get a young player with high potential first then see what picks you can negotiate. The only way around that would be someone with a couple of lottery picks but obviously I don’t see a bottom feeding team in that situation feeling it necessary to get OG this soon.

This makes more sense. You need to get a good young player back with upside. Your best player coming back can't be someone older than OG and worse. That reeks of a team that can't decide on a direction.

If you're trading for an older player then that player needs to be much better than Cam Johnson. Even someone like Myles Turner makes more sense than Cam Johnson as he's the perfect fit at the 5 goe this team. No matter how I look at it, I can't see a good trade with the Suns.

[TorontoBarneys]

+4 1sts for taking on Shamet and his uggo contract.



Still prefer Fred to LAC.

[YogurtProducer]

I am against the idea of trading him. FVV should be the one seeing the door, or even trent.

But it's clear they're entertaining trading him.

This board screams that management should sell high.

Then when is starts to happen we hear "no not like that"

I'm all for selling high. Just don't think Cam Johnson and 1 first is selling High.

Well every trade in this thread has looked like Cam, 2 firsts, Crowder I believe (which would be moved for more firsts).

[gerrit4]

There’s only 3 franchises I’d be focused on getting a deal done with for OG…

1. NOP (something centered around Murphy and/or Daniels + pick(s))
2. POR (something centered around Sharpe + pick)
3. OKC (JDub + Dieng + picks)

Not remotely interested in any of MEM or NYK’s mediocre players and even more mediocre draft picks. I like PHX’s picks BUT I just like ensuring we get a better young player in either NOP, POR or OKC trade more who will also be closer in age to Scottie which basically ensures they develop together. But the bottomline for me is to aim to get a young player with high potential first then see what picks you can negotiate. The only way around that would be someone with a couple of lottery picks but obviously I don’t see a bottom feeding team in that situation feeling it necessary to get OG this soon.

While I agree that Mem's pick's will likely be mediocre, I think that trading for Knicks picks could be quite valuable. The Knicks have all of their future picks, so I'd be pushing for those picks unprotected. They can keep the crappy protected picks, and use those to fill in the roster. I don't see a core of Randle (who seems to alternate yearly between all-star and bad contract)/RJ/Brunson/OG as an unstoppable core, guaranteed to make the top 6 every year. Heck, it wouldn't shock me to see them in the bottom 8 next season. Which is probably why they won't want to trade their own unprotected picks...

[PhilBlackson]

There’s only 3 franchises I’d be focused on getting a deal done with for OG…

1. NOP (something centered around Murphy and/or Daniels + pick(s))
2. POR (something centered around Sharpe + pick)
3. OKC (JDub + Dieng + picks)

Not remotely interested in any of MEM or NYK’s mediocre players and even more mediocre draft picks. I like PHX’s picks BUT I just like ensuring we get a better young player in either NOP, POR or OKC trade more who will also be closer in age to Scottie which basically ensures they develop together. But the bottomline for me is to aim to get a young player with high potential first then see what picks you can negotiate. The only way around that would be someone with a couple of lottery picks but obviously I don’t see a bottom feeding team in that situation feeling it necessary to get OG this soon.

tbh I don't think the Pelicans are in a rush, Daniels and murphy fit their timeline.

Portland is real, I'm not sure OKC is in a rush either. Those teams won't overpay

Look I think it's fair enough especially in OKC's case to say they're not in a rush or that NOP may not be but in each case I can see a solid rationale of why each of them would act...

In the Pelicans' case, you say they don't have to be in a rush & based purely on age that MAY be true but timeline wise, I actually think you're wrong and it's why they're at the top of my list.

The West is WIDE OPEN for the taking, GSW does not look like the juggernaut of yesteryear, the Suns' chemistry (Ayton) & age (CP3), LAC are living on a prayer for the past 3-4 years that Kawhi & PG can remain healthy (can they handle the physical push through?), DEN miiiiight be there but I genuinely believe it's between them or MEM & NOP (assuming the elder beasts aren't physically clicking) for the battle of the next 2-4 years, OG can be a tipping point for either MEM & NOP for which team that is....and in NOP's case I believe they have a 2 year window BECAUSE the very best version that their team can be is directly correlated to Zion's HEALTH which is already rough at best, I personally do not see ZIon making it to his next contract (I'm 1000% NOT wishing that on him, I just don't see him holding up). Then add that whatever version you're seeing of CJ McCollum is NOW is the best version you're going to see of him & only declining.

So if the Pels REALLY wanna take a shot at making a Finals and/or winning it, getting OG makes a TON of sense. Sure they have "similar" players in Murphy or Jones and maybe eventually one of them will get there (my guess is obv TM) BUT again I personally think the Pels have a 2-3 year window (with this year being one of them) before both Zion & CJ physically decline. Trading Dyson and/OR Murphy + top 2 protected to prevent trading away the only clear superstar prospects to give the Pels a chance to win now is worth it. Competing for chips is all about timing if you don't have a clear sustainable dynastic core. OG can be BI & Zion's "Marcus Smart" & wear out the team's best opposing player while they dominate on the other end, they're arguably just as talented combo as Tatum & Brown. That's a LEGIT chance NOW...what happens if CJ starts getting banged up?! Zion is struggling like Kawhi to stay on the court, as he gets older he only gets BIGGER & increases his health risk by the year. So you trade one of your young guys + a pick, they still have PLENTY left over both in terms of prospects & picks but they gave themselves a real opportunity while they had Zion.

As to OKC, I already agreed it's more than fair enough to say they're not in a rush, I don't think a move for OG is a rush move for them though. I just think it's an intelligent one for a team that wants to build itself the RIGHT way. They have more picks than they know to do with, those picks can NOT all be used, there's literally not enough space on the roster to accomodate what they're owed. So those picks must become players that form their team. Jalen Williams essentially plays the same position as SGA...and Giddey, so it's already congested there. They're also going to need some stronger players next to Chet to help handle some of the physicality. Dort is just too short to do that with post players, although great for perimeter, so it may even be a deal that includes Dort, Williams + picks (hopefully Dieng). But for them Giddey/SGA/OG/Chet + whatever good draft pick(s) they have that come out of their thousand remaining picks lol has the kind of core + types of players that can fit & really start competing at a high level within a couple years, they also have ample money to keep OG. Buying on OG now is just good asset management imo because you're actually taking the steps to incrementally build them into a winner. If you actually check the standings they're not hunting for the top pick anymore & if they do pull the plug, it will be team wide so wouldn't matter but they put in place a VERY good young core and STILL have PLENTY left to more than continue to build out the roster bringing in talent in more ways than one, you don't just draft into infinity lol

[OakleyDokely]

OG described the Raptors usage situation better than anyone I've heard so far. After Siakam, it's pretty fluid. If you have it going that game, you will get more opportunities and that's reflected in the overall usage levels of the starters after Siakam - VanVleet (22.5), Trent (22.0), Barnes (20.5), OG (20.5). There isn't much difference overall between 2-5.

I think most of this OG chatter is coming from Klutch who wants to get him paid regardless and opposing teams who want to trade for him. I'd still be surprised if he was dealt.

[Tha Cynic]

its probably gonna end up being cam johnson, jae crowder and picks, better be atleast 2 unprotected

Why? The Raptors drafted and developed OG into a guy who can be a starter on any championship team. He's also a Masai favourite.

Why would they trade him in a throwaway kind of deal like that? They're not fully commiting to a rebuild or getting better today.

[Los_29]

+4 1sts for taking on Shamet and his uggo contract.



Still prefer Fred to LAC.

Weren't we likely going to get 3 FRP's from the Suns anyway? So we're throwing in Fred just to get an additional FRP and then having to take on Shamet's awful contract? That seems like pretty poor value. Better off trading Fred to another team for a better deal.

[TheRaptor!]

Glad to see the office sees what I see

OG-Siakam-Barnes is a poor fit.

i do not want picks in the mid 20s, I either want someone that can contribute now, or is already a good prospect with good offence. Precious can give us 80% of OG's defence real soon and a more dynamic offence.

[alienchild]

Lmao wants off the Anunoby contract is definitely a way to frame this conversation.

This guy is a total ass-hat. PHX has Bridges and Johnson now. OG could be a Crowder replacement, but they have a much bigger replacement need going forward in Chris Paul. OG is a smokescreen for their actual interest in FVV, who they have been mentioned as an interested party when FVV opts out. Raptors have bird rights, and could trump what PHX might offer, so PHX would have interest in trading for him since they then have his bird rights.

Meh.

He has connections to our front office. He's probably getting fed this by them. Could work for us obviously as I think that'd be a good deal. Could also mean NYC ups their offer or maybe Memphis/NOP decides to jump in to keep us away from him.

We'll see. Doubt Gambo is just pulling this outta his azz though.

Gambo is a dime store marionette for PHX front office. Saying that the Raptors want to get off his contact is a load of crud. It's extremely high value, and he can only opt out a year from now. The contract would be the very last reason for trading him. And his description of OG as a player is his puppet masters blowing smoke trying to convince Masai that the asking price is too high. Good luck with that. It's laughable, and Gambo is still an ass-hat.

[Potential]

Whatever happens, happens. Just tank for a future superstar

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Whatever happens, happens. Just tank for a future superstar

If this was just the strategy would you even need a GM? I feel like all the Gen Zs on here could manage the raptors if that was the case

[islandboy53]

Nwora makes this interesting, but you'll have to move 2 more guys from our roster as we only have 1 open spot. I can't see any readjustment that works if you're committed to that package from Milwaukee. However, if you replace Hill, Nwora and Serge with Grayson Allen, it works just fine. The Bucks could keep the 2nd in that scenario.

[AbC?]

Depends on if the Pelicans are interested but they make so much sense for us as a trade partner. Dyson Daniels or Trey Murphy would be a good young prospect to pick up, they have surplus picks and we can take Graham's bad contract to match salaries.