[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[Caped Crusader]

Going to be sad to see you go, ADOBE Monet.

[Clutch0z24]

If he gets traded all signs are him going to the Suns or the Knicks....Both teams i would not mind getting future firsts from...Once CP3 gone i do not see them staying as good....Knicks are always one hit wonders....If you can get RJ Barrett whos still young and has room to grow along with unprotected picks thats a good haul imo....Even if i don't really like RJ fit with Barnes i still think having that asset is better than nothing...

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[TorontoBarneys]

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Try and be a little realistic.

I'm trying my best here but I simply can't find any arguments in this post. Hold up, let me fetch my magnifying glass.

[ConSarnit]

This could have been leaked by anyone who has called the Raptors about OG and has not been immediately rebuffed. They can then go to Shams and say “it seems like the Raptors are open to taking calls on OG”.

That doesn't help the team not being rebuffed for OG though. it doesn't help them if other teams start thinking they can trade for OG. Although to be fair they probably don't need Shams to tell them OG is available. Shams sources for this kind of thing are usually agents who want something from Shams down the road.

I agree. Given the way Shams/Woj operate it’s likely an agent. I just don’t get the argument that we were the ones who leaked this.

[TorontoBarneys]

why?

Why? Because a player like OG is needed on a contender much more than ours, and fits a team better that already has great 3pt-shooting. Cam will fit us like a glove. Not to mention an additional $15m in cap space over the years that can provide additional depth. Now take into account 2-3 1sts and it's a genuinely good swap.

Why is Johnson willing to settle for $20m?

-cap going up in 2 years
-looks around and sees guys like Hield, Fournier and Duncan Robinson (and others) making $19m and he’s only going to ask for $20m?

How is it not more likely he’s looking for $25m?

We trade OG to PHX and we’re also looking at getting picks in the 20’s as they now have: Booker, Bridges, OG and Ayton (all 26 or younger) so they’ll probably be pretty good going forward. Don’t we want at least 1 asset with high upside coming back?

He can look for $25m all he wants, he's not going to get it. Not even he asked for that much, so you guys are making up arguments out of thin air lol.

[StopitLeo]

What about OG to the Warriors? GSW doesn't have many years left to try and win another title with Steph-Klay-Draymond so I think they need to maximize their chance this year. An elite 3D guy would help solidify their rotation.

Because of GSW's contracts it would almost have to be OG for Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman (obviously we'd have to create roster spots by moving small salary on our end). I know people want picks but Kuminga and Moody are only in Year 2 so they are almost like accelerated first round picks; who knows if Wiseman might show something. Maybe we can get their 2023 first, accepting it won't be very good.

[Sandman88]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

[Johnny Bball]

Okay? I'm cool paying Cam 20m/year, especially as it goes into the new TV deal. I'd rather pay Cam 20m than OG 35m!

Try and be a little realistic.

I'm trying my best here but I simply can't find any arguments in this post. Hold up, let me fetch my magnifying glass.

I'm sure you have one

[Jadoogar]

"We're looking to trade OG" doesn't tank his value.

It does because it shows your hand, works the same way in any sale really.

It's the difference between someone overpaying because the perception is they need to pry the player away from you versus the player already being available, you just need to find a price. If I know you're looking to sell I'll start low and see where we get. If the perception is that you're not interested in selling X, then I'll more motivated to offer something higher to get the deal done.

Bones Hyland is a great example. Denver said they want to trade him. Most offer they get are going to be way below what they actually want since teams know they're motivated to move him.

It's not a secret that the raptors could be looking to reset given their record and contract situation. No one is ever going to say "we're looking to get rid of this guy", but saying "we're willing to trade OG for the right price" shows you're willing to move him without lowering his value.

[douggood]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

dark horse and rumor according to one reddit post.

[ConSarnit]

well ****, if that's the case then I guess get comfortable paying OG 30-35 million a year for his upcoming extension, eh?

Of course. If you think he's being paid 20-25 in an environment where tyler Herro and Clarkson as 6th men get 30 per, no. I'm really not sure why people have such a problem comprehending cap inflation. Maybe if it was always labelled as a percentage of the cap it would be easier.

For example, OG at 30 million is 22% of the cap next year (although he has one more year and the cap would be more and % less). To compare, that's 23 million in 2020 cap dollars which is only slightly more that what FVV signed for as a much less established player.

So if you think its some kind of gotcha moment that he gets 30-35, lol, no it really isn't.

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Exactly. Replacing OG with Cam does not help our very real tax problem for next year. This team needs to address two areas - staying under the tax next year, and improving the roster, both next year and longer term. None of the proposals I've seen involving OG to Phoenix really achieve both objectives. I am confident OG (or Fred or Gary for that matter) will only be traded with that in mind.

It sucks for our guys that we are possibly sending out but we should be looking to move them to teams who have a lot of question marks going forward. PHX has a young core, competent management and a new owner. They could be good for a long time. They are an attractive destination for players as they just got rid of their biggest problem (Sarver). We should be trying to exploit inept franchises if we can.

[Airmiess]

What makes you think they are hanging up when other players get asked about?

If management thinks they can get more value for OG in a trade than what he would bring himself, then it is good management to field calls and see what is out there.

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

Can you link me to the press conference / tweet in which Masai/Bobby announced this?

I don’t get the need for semantics, they didn’t formally announce anything of course but when you don’t dispel Shams or Woj then it pretty much implies this is what the direction is.

[mtcan]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

dark horse and rumor according to one reddit post.

Another Porter Jr to go with Otto? A family reunion?

Just need Kevin Porter Jr. to complete the set.

[Jadoogar]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

I wouldn't that if i was the Nuggets. I know MPJ has injury concerns but he's a perfect fit with Jokic and an elite shooter. OG is a good shooter but not MPJ level and might have a little over lap with Gordon.

Plus i think they are already pretty thin, i don't think they trade 2 rotation players for 1. OG would be good to help defend the Kawhis and Lebrons of the West but not at the expense depth (not to mention the pick).

[will]

gonna be sitting here on feb 10th with no og and fred looking to be extended for $120+

I certainly won't be around to see it after being banned

You keep finding your way back, so you must be tougher than you give yourself credit for.

[islandboy53]

Of course. If you think he's being paid 20-25 in an environment where tyler Herro and Clarkson as 6th men get 30 per, no. I'm really not sure why people have such a problem comprehending cap inflation. Maybe if it was always labelled as a percentage of the cap it would be easier.

For example, OG at 30 million is 22% of the cap next year (although he has one more year and the cap would be more and % less). To compare, that's 23 million in 2020 cap dollars which is only slightly more that what FVV signed for as a much less established player.

So if you think its some kind of gotcha moment that he gets 30-35, lol, no it really isn't.

And Cam Johnson doesn't get a contract worth less than 15% of the cap.

Exactly. Replacing OG with Cam does not help our very real tax problem for next year. This team needs to address two areas - staying under the tax next year, and improving the roster, both next year and longer term. None of the proposals I've seen involving OG to Phoenix really achieve both objectives. I am confident OG (or Fred or Gary for that matter) will only be traded with that in mind.

Yep. You trade FVV. He's not going to be easy to re-sign and this is his biggest payday. And you have two teams you can hold hostage that desperately need a PG like FVV. The best trade I can find out the is Mann, minimal salary baaggage and picks that checks all boxes for both teams.

You don't build a defense first team and trade your best defensvie player in OG. Its not smart and its inconsistent with reality. Especially when you can get a better deal in the summer when teams are less handicapped by salaries if you are forced to.

Exactly. I continue to believe that FVV is the piece to move. In terms of a trade partner involving Mann, are you referring to the Clippers? They don't have a tradeable 1st until 2028, which seems too far out. Also, I'm having trouble seeing a way to make the $ and roster spots work for them.

[YogurtProducer]

You should always keep your options open, just the optics of announcing his name alone has certain implications.

Can you link me to the press conference / tweet in which Masai/Bobby announced this?

I don’t get the need for semantics, they didn’t formally announce anything of course but when you don’t dispel Shams or Woj then it pretty much implies this is what the direction is.

So you want them to go into the media and say "we are not trading OG Anunoby"?

[Fairview4Life]

Denver’s a dark horse. Reported framework is MPJ, Bones and a first

Reported by whom?

[ConSarnit]

Why? Because a player like OG is needed on a contender much more than ours, and fits a team better that already has great 3pt-shooting. Cam will fit us like a glove. Not to mention an additional $15m in cap space over the years that can provide additional depth. Now take into account 2-3 1sts and it's a genuinely good swap.

Why is Johnson willing to settle for $20m?

-cap going up in 2 years
-looks around and sees guys like Hield, Fournier and Duncan Robinson (and others) making $19m and he’s only going to ask for $20m?

How is it not more likely he’s looking for $25m?

We trade OG to PHX and we’re also looking at getting picks in the 20’s as they now have: Booker, Bridges, OG and Ayton (all 26 or younger) so they’ll probably be pretty good going forward. Don’t we want at least 1 asset with high upside coming back?

He can look for $25m all he wants, he's not going to get it. Not even he asked for that much, so you guys are making up arguments out of thin air lol.

The only report I can find is one Suns radio guy saying he heard Cam wanted something in the 4/85 range prior to the season. Cam is having his best season so far so why has he lowered his asking price?

If a guy asks for 4/85 (speculated by one person) and then improves his play, why is that player now willing to accept 4/80? And why would his leverage decline when he can now negotiate with multiple teams this off season instead of just one (PHX)?