2023 Draft Prospect discussion

[ItsDanger]

Idk what people see in Cam. Isn't super skilled off the dribble and isn't a top percentile athlete or shooter. I don't see him bodying grown men in the NBA like he does in college and his shot is shaky even though he does try contested 3's and such.

I think he's the Keon Johnson of this draft and will get drafted way lower than his mocks

Difference is Cam seeks out physical contact and can back it up. When he gets stronger, he will plow through defenses. Reminds me of a bigger Jaylen Brown.

[Psubs]

Idk what people see in Cam. Isn't super skilled off the dribble and isn't a top percentile athlete or shooter. I don't see him bodying grown men in the NBA like he does in college and his shot is shaky even though he does try contested 3's and such.

I think he's the Keon Johnson of this draft and will get drafted way lower than his mocks

Difference is Cam seeks out physical contact and can back it up. When he gets stronger, he will plow through defenses. Reminds me of a bigger Jaylen Brown.

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[KL78192020]

My current non-orthodox top 10 based on my future performance projection.

1) Victor Wembanyama
2) Jarace Walker
3) Brandon Miller
4) Cam Whitmore
5) Scoot Henderson
6) Amen Thompson
7) Anthony Black
8) Taylor Hendricks
9) Cason Wallace
10) Brice Sensabaugh

I think Scoot will be the best player in this class, so I disagree with putting him that low. He's putting up numbers against grown men versus the rest of this guy's in this class.

I'd probably also leave the Thompson twins out of my top 10. They're all potential but don't have much substance behind their names.

Everyone else I can sort of agree with although I'd probably re-order them. And I'd include Keyonte George.

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Thompson twins have the highest bust potential imo. Other than being athletic they lack a lot skills.

[Ell Curry]

Is Jarace just bullying guys? I watched the Jamal Murray vs Team USA stuff tonight and it was a reminder that Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson and even Julius Randle (he's fine now but he took too like 6 years to have a good season simultaneously on both ends of the floor so more of a 2nd or 3rd team type of guy which isn't what you're hoping to get top 10 (though fine top 15-20). Bullying 4s scare me now. Zion didn't because he was a pure goddamn demon blocking 3s and clearly a dunk contest winner if he fancied it.

[Ell Curry]

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sign me the fk up...

I like Jett and have him high on my board. His shot is the real deal and he's incredibly skilled offensively.....BUT, highlights can be deceiving. I watched this game and his defence was atrocious. Tentative. Soft. Lost. Slow. He's a freshman and tall, so there's room to grow, and he may become a passable team defender one day, but I suspect he'll be attacked on that end a lot (think Duncan Robinson) and the growing pains will be rough.

Would still draft him highly cause of just offensive potential alone, but he's more of a project than he's made out to be sometimes

This Michigan season has been so depressing that I've only watched like 5 games so grain of salt, but my fan take is that he's a worse team defender than Robinson (who was a year or 2 older I assume) but not quite as overmatched 1 on 1. Robinson actually became a really smart and key team defender the 2nd half of his senior year (after getting benched and **** talked by an Illini scrub who went off) and obviously struggles in the pros.

On the other hand, a tall wing who might be able to get up 8 3s a game and hit them at a high rate makes sense. Scary that he's a coach's kid with a tough dad who is still so soft on defence, but it's possible it's just his body and he needs to get stronger to move better laterally and the stamina to stay in a proper stance more often. Being outrebounded by a guy who's probably actually 5'9 or so is a bad look, too.

It's hard for me to see Masai preferring him over a more athletic player. Vecenie has him going 16th, so he'd be available for us, but maybe goes before a pick we net at the deadline (for Trent, OG or Van Vleet in all likelihood). Vecenie writes "He’s not a great athlete, though. It’s hard to see him truly separating right now from his man. But he does have some shake that he could grow into." I don't know if I see Masai using a pick in the late lottery on a guy who sounds like Adam Morrison if he's not shooting 40% from 3.

[Ell Curry]

52% movement for Bane lol
Trex arms really blinded everyone from such obvious skill

The obvious reason is that nobody trusts small sample size of college numbers, but Bane hit 249 3s at 43% over 4 years, which is basically 2 full NBA seasons if you're a bench guy til year 3, so you're right, people were blinded by wingspan, even though Bane was seen as a stout defender. I guess they just thought he wouldn't be able to get enough 3s up on O.

[Ell Curry]

This draft doesn't impress me much after the top 2, at least when it comes to impact guys.

There will always be some gems found in every draft, but this feels like a draft where the 13th pick could end being better than #3 or 4.

The best drafting teams will probably make out like bandits with mid-late picks in this draft.

I more or less agree as well.

Outside of the first two guys, everyone else hasn't quite separated themselves. But thats not a bad thing, IMO.

What's the case against Miller? I haven't watched him, but the stats and highlights suggest a borderline all-star type, like a player at the meeting point halfway between a Paul George and a Cam Johnson. That's a good draft pick and bonus points for being a tall wing, the #2 commodity in the league after being an offensive genius.

[grant101]

Is Jarace just bullying guys? I watched the Jamal Murray vs Team USA stuff tonight and it was a reminder that Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson and even Julius Randle (he's fine now but he took too like 6 years to have a good season simultaneously on both ends of the floor so more of a 2nd or 3rd team type of guy which isn't what you're hoping to get top 10 (though fine top 15-20). Bullying 4s scare me now. Zion didn't because he was a pure goddamn demon blocking 3s and clearly a dunk contest winner if he fancied it.

No, I don't think so. I see a big wing, playing admirably out of position at center. He's also a much much better defender than any of the guys you mentioned. Like all-defence potential IMO. I see a thicker, slightly less athletic, but more coordinated Precious, with far better touch around the basket and passing.

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sign me the fk up...

I like Jett and have him high on my board. His shot is the real deal and he's incredibly skilled offensively.....BUT, highlights can be deceiving. I watched this game and his defence was atrocious. Tentative. Soft. Lost. Slow. He's a freshman and tall, so there's room to grow, and he may become a passable team defender one day, but I suspect he'll be attacked on that end a lot (think Duncan Robinson) and the growing pains will be rough.

Would still draft him highly cause of just offensive potential alone, but he's more of a project than he's made out to be sometimes

This Michigan season has been so depressing that I've only watched like 5 games so grain of salt, but my fan take is that he's a worse team defender than Robinson (who was a year or 2 older I assume) but not quite as overmatched 1 on 1. Robinson actually became a really smart and key team defender the 2nd half of his senior year (after getting benched and **** talked by an Illini scrub who went off) and obviously struggles in the pros.

On the other hand, a tall wing who might be able to get up 8 3s a game and hit them at a high rate makes sense. Scary that he's a coach's kid with a tough dad who is still so soft on defence, but it's possible it's just his body and he needs to get stronger to move better laterally and the stamina to stay in a proper stance more often. Being outrebounded by a guy who's probably actually 5'9 or so is a bad look, too.

It's hard for me to see Masai preferring him over a more athletic player. Vecenie has him going 16th, so he'd be available for us, but maybe goes before a pick we net at the deadline (for Trent, OG or Van Vleet in all likelihood). Vecenie writes "He’s not a great athlete, though. It’s hard to see him truly separating right now from his man. But he does have some shake that he could grow into." I don't know if I see Masai using a pick in the late lottery on a guy who sounds like Adam Morrison if he's not shooting 40% from 3.

Maybe he's Paul Pierce? If he stayed another year, he'd be putting up over 20ppg like Keegan Murray did. Keegan's FT% in college was 75% and Jett is at 79%, so it might be a good indicator that the 3pt shooting should translate well to the NBA.

[PoundTown]

I like Jett and have him high on my board. His shot is the real deal and he's incredibly skilled offensively.....BUT, highlights can be deceiving. I watched this game and his defence was atrocious. Tentative. Soft. Lost. Slow. He's a freshman and tall, so there's room to grow, and he may become a passable team defender one day, but I suspect he'll be attacked on that end a lot (think Duncan Robinson) and the growing pains will be rough.

Would still draft him highly cause of just offensive potential alone, but he's more of a project than he's made out to be sometimes

This Michigan season has been so depressing that I've only watched like 5 games so grain of salt, but my fan take is that he's a worse team defender than Robinson (who was a year or 2 older I assume) but not quite as overmatched 1 on 1. Robinson actually became a really smart and key team defender the 2nd half of his senior year (after getting benched and **** talked by an Illini scrub who went off) and obviously struggles in the pros.

On the other hand, a tall wing who might be able to get up 8 3s a game and hit them at a high rate makes sense. Scary that he's a coach's kid with a tough dad who is still so soft on defence, but it's possible it's just his body and he needs to get stronger to move better laterally and the stamina to stay in a proper stance more often. Being outrebounded by a guy who's probably actually 5'9 or so is a bad look, too.

It's hard for me to see Masai preferring him over a more athletic player. Vecenie has him going 16th, so he'd be available for us, but maybe goes before a pick we net at the deadline (for Trent, OG or Van Vleet in all likelihood). Vecenie writes "He’s not a great athlete, though. It’s hard to see him truly separating right now from his man. But he does have some shake that he could grow into." I don't know if I see Masai using a pick in the late lottery on a guy who sounds like Adam Morrison if he's not shooting 40% from 3.

Maybe he's Paul Pierce? If he stayed another year, he'd be putting up over 20ppg like Keegan Murray did. Keegan's FT% in college was 75% and Jett is at 79%, so it might be a good indicator that the 3pt shooting should translate well to the NBA.

Jett's offence isn't the problem, it is the defence. He is lacking in almost every department there, bad instincts. Because of this, I prefer Grady of the two deadly shooters with size. Grady plays with fire and fearlessness on both ends and on defence is instinctively good with quick hands.

[God Squad]

Is be happy leaving this draft with Edey n Ricky Council and these guys are being mocked as 2nd rounders. This draft has a lot of NBAers, just maybe not a lot of All-stars.

It really seems like 3-45 could all relatively be in similar tiers

[Psubs]

52% movement for Bane lol
Trex arms really blinded everyone from such obvious skill

The obvious reason is that nobody trusts small sample size of college numbers, but Bane hit 249 3s at 43% over 4 years, which is basically 2 full NBA seasons if you're a bench guy til year 3, so you're right, people were blinded by wingspan, even though Bane was seen as a stout defender. I guess they just thought he wouldn't be able to get enough 3s up on O.

I thought he could be Dillon Brooks with some lead guard skills that could shoot the 3.

[Rapsfan07]

Ideally getting another pick late lotto would be perfect
But if we get one and it's more in the 20+ range I'm looking at this guy

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I've been a fan of Hood-Schifino. Getting a late pick to select him or Colby Jones I think is going to go a long way toward the rebuild. Both of them are bigger combo guards who stuff the stat sheet and play both sides of the ball.

[Rapsfan07]

Idk what people see in Cam. Isn't super skilled off the dribble and isn't a top percentile athlete or shooter. I don't see him bodying grown men in the NBA like he does in college and his shot is shaky even though he does try contested 3's and such.

I think he's the Keon Johnson of this draft and will get drafted way lower than his mocks

He's 4 inches taller, far stronger, and twice the shooter than Keon. Also strongly disagree on your assessment of his athleticism, and I absolutely see him moving bodies at the NBA level. He reminds me a lot of Jaylen Brown out of Cal. People were saying the same thing about him and his game before the draft as well, and there was even talk of him sliding. GMs aren't fools. When you have a tough nosed kid with size, athleticism, agressiveness, and the inkling of a game off the dribble, you take them.

Jaylen Brown is a good comparison. I've heard the Corey Maggette comparison as well.

Either way, I think by the time workouts happen, he will solidify himself in the Top 5.

[Rapsfan07]

This draft doesn't impress me much after the top 2, at least when it comes to impact guys.

There will always be some gems found in every draft, but this feels like a draft where the 13th pick could end being better than #3 or 4.

The best drafting teams will probably make out like bandits with mid-late picks in this draft.

I more or less agree as well.

Outside of the first two guys, everyone else hasn't quite separated themselves. But thats not a bad thing, IMO.

What's the case against Miller? I haven't watched him, but the stats and highlights suggest a borderline all-star type, like a player at the meeting point halfway between a Paul George and a Cam Johnson. That's a good draft pick and bonus points for being a tall wing, the #2 commodity in the league after being an offensive genius.

I personally don't have any case against Miller. I think he needs to tighten up his handle if he's going to be more than say Jabari Smith but he has pretty decent athleticism, he's long, he's a sniper. I think he'll be 3rd off the board on draft night.

[PoundTown]

Idk what people see in Cam. Isn't super skilled off the dribble and isn't a top percentile athlete or shooter. I don't see him bodying grown men in the NBA like he does in college and his shot is shaky even though he does try contested 3's and such.

I think he's the Keon Johnson of this draft and will get drafted way lower than his mocks

He's 4 inches taller, far stronger, and twice the shooter than Keon. Also strongly disagree on your assessment of his athleticism, and I absolutely see him moving bodies at the NBA level. He reminds me a lot of Jaylen Brown out of Cal. People were saying the same thing about him and his game before the draft as well, and there was even talk of him sliding. GMs aren't fools. When you have a tough nosed kid with size, athleticism, agressiveness, and the inkling of a game off the dribble, you take them.

Jaylen Brown is a good comparison. I've heard the Corey Maggette comparison as well.

Either way, I think by the time workouts happen, he will solidify himself in the Top 5.

I'm looking at Cam thinking he'd be a pretty good fit on our roster. He's the type of guy that gets more dangerous in the NBA with more spacing. He reminds me of prime Michael Finley with the Mavs, personally.

[will]

He's 4 inches taller, far stronger, and twice the shooter than Keon. Also strongly disagree on your assessment of his athleticism, and I absolutely see him moving bodies at the NBA level. He reminds me a lot of Jaylen Brown out of Cal. People were saying the same thing about him and his game before the draft as well, and there was even talk of him sliding. GMs aren't fools. When you have a tough nosed kid with size, athleticism, agressiveness, and the inkling of a game off the dribble, you take them.

Jaylen Brown is a good comparison. I've heard the Corey Maggette comparison as well.

Either way, I think by the time workouts happen, he will solidify himself in the Top 5.

I'm looking at Cam thinking he'd be a pretty good fit on our roster. He's the type of guy that gets more dangerous in the NBA with more spacing. He reminds me of prime Michael Finley with the Mavs, personally.

And the COMPLETE opposite of Fin Dawg in terms of games played each season.

Finley was an iron man...well, until the last few seasons of his career.

[dozo]

Is Jarace just bullying guys? I watched the Jamal Murray vs Team USA stuff tonight and it was a reminder that Anthony Bennett, Thomas Robinson and even Julius Randle (he's fine now but he took too like 6 years to have a good season simultaneously on both ends of the floor so more of a 2nd or 3rd team type of guy which isn't what you're hoping to get top 10 (though fine top 15-20). Bullying 4s scare me now. Zion didn't because he was a pure goddamn demon blocking 3s and clearly a dunk contest winner if he fancied it.

Walker played two guard as a HS freshman (6'5). His go to move is a running floater in paint. He prefers to face up in 1v1 and attack going right. He's not a great rebounder and he needs to develop post moves. The only knock is he's playing in 10th best conference in the nation.

The link is to Jan 28th game vs the bearcats. He wears #25.

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[WuTang_CMB]

he's gotta go top 10

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