2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Ghost of Kleine]

Jae for TJ Warren and Seth Curry

Very solid value for both teams! Especially if they'd be willing to include Curry in there too! That'd be a sizable win for us. I'd love to see an outcome like that.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

No, I like him as well.

If the top team in the Western Conference is looking to trade him I feel he probably isn't worth going after unless he only cost Crowder.

Yeah Bones is kind of intriguing but like you said the Nugz looking to deal him is a red flag.

I was just looking at his bb reference page and man his advanced stats are rough. Is he a fools gold player, guy who can put up some counting stats but **** up your team game?

I definitely get the concern. The advanced numbers are weak, but I wonder why. His A/TO ratio is better than 2:1. That's better than Jamal Crawford, who to me is the player he most closely resembles. He shoots better than Jamal, too. Jamal's advanced defensive metrics were similarly awful early in his career, but somehow, his offensive metrics were better. Bones is a positive on offense, though not as much as Jamal was, despite the better shooting and A/TO numbers. Is it because he comes off the bench, when the best offensive player in the history of the game comes out?

The way I see it, he's a young, explosive scorer who can create shots and is relatively healthy on a rookie-scale contract. He's got upside. We need a microwave scorer off the bench. You just don't see many opportunities to pick up guys like that.

Word is the Nuggets want a bigger defensive forward in return. I'd trade them Jae (even knowing that might hurt us in the playoffs) if we could make the salaries work. They'd need to send us Ish Smith and Jeff Green without us sending anyone back. We could do that just by releasing our 2-way players. Makes them a little thin at the guard spots. Their fans would hate it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Can we just jump on this as inclusive to an Anunoby deal or in a two move deal wherein we move Shamet in a combined expiring move for a larger salaried frontcourt player perhaps? Either way, value is in attaining such talent at a reasonable price right? IF we might not want to pay for Anunoby, then instead what about something like :

Shamet/Saric/Crowder/ 1 (lotto protected) 1st/ 2 unprotected 2nds for Boucher/Trent?

[Ghost of Kleine]

My thinking on adding value by the trade deadlines is something along the lines of:

1- Trade Shamet/ Saric/ future (top 15 ) lotto protected 1st for Trent Jr.

2- Trade Crowder/ Craig future protected 1st for Grant/ . (Since reports have been saying the blazers would look to trade him IF he wouldn't agree to extension)!
Salary and two protected 1sts is a good outcome IF we could walk out of the deadline with BOTH Jerami Grant and Trent Jr. IF Ishbia is willing to pay, and Money/ Luxury Tax truly isn't an issue. I get that we'd have to really pay up to resign them both, But I'm also taking into account Pau's contract being an expiring or buyout option to absorb about 15 million off that cost?

(ALL IN MOVE THIS YEAR!!!)
Paul/Book/Bridges/Grant/Ayton! Then next season becomes............................

Book Bridges/Johnson/Grant/Ayton.

[Saberestar]

This isn't a Cam or Og argument it wouldn't be a straight trade it would require multiple 1st.

I would rather have Cam and trade those 1st for other pieces, Cam plus those picks is greater than OG and no assets.

Plus I value shooting over D, OG might be a little better overall but it's close he isnt head and shouldersbetter, plus he hasn't played PF almost no minutes at the position, he isn't a big dude he is undersized even more so than Cam.

It's a lateral move I'd that the team isn't better without Cam and those assets.

Anunoby has defended to PFs lots of times, specifically over 24% of the time.

He is versatile and switchable for real, so he can defend 1-5.

6'7, 235 lbs
7'3 wingspan

Look at his dunk numbers and post moves, he plays bigger than his size. He plays physical basketball.

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[Puff]

James Jones will not trade Cam Johnson because Cam was drafted by him and he values shooting over any other skill.

Our winning percentage is much better with Cam Johnson available, he is an important core player.

But which are the assets that James Jones doesn't value a lot? Yeah...PICKS.

That's why I think that we are gonna offer multiple picks and Crowder (and possibly a filler) for Anunoby.

If we can't get him we will go after another winning now player, probably a cheaper one.

It makes no sense to trade Cam Johnson for Anunoby. Our major issue thus far this season revolves around Crowder sitting on his ass at home. Our wing depth has been horrible. Yeah, Torey Craig has been a good soldier and has played better than I expected but he is not a starting forward in the NBA. We have been playing with one starting quality foward in Mikal. We finally have Cam Johnson back and we have won 6 of 7. Yes, a lot of that is due to the play of the guy most of this board has written off, CP3. The point is that we are winning. When we won 64 games we had 3 capable forwards in Mikal, Cam and Jae. If we just replace Cam with Anunoby we are where we currently are but not any better. We still have a guy that appears to be injured as much as Cam. If we are going to give away draft picks we cannot just stay where we are.

In my book no trade including Cam Johnson. If we cannot get Anunoby without including Cam take a hard pass. I would offer Jae, Shamet and 2 or 3 picks.

I also would immediately sign Saben Lee for the rest of the year. I really like him. What bench guys do you value above him? Come on James, wake up. I look forward to him entering the game. Dump someone to make room for him.

[BobbieL]

My thinking on adding value by the trade deadlines is something along the lines of:

1- Trade Shamet/ Saric/ future (top 15 ) lotto protected 1st for Trent Jr.

2- Trade Crowder/ Craig future protected 1st for Grant/ . (Since reports have been saying the blazers would look to trade him IF he wouldn't agree to extension)!
Salary and two protected 1sts is a good outcome IF we could walk out of the deadline with BOTH Jerami Grant and Trent Jr. IF Ishbia is willing to pay, and Money/ Luxury Tax truly isn't an issue.

I don't have any problem with the first one. Meaning dealing a protected pick for Trent Jr. You can include Russell or even Clarkson. Plus if the Raptors were to take Shamet - would really like that

Second deal - I just don't see Grant turning down that extension - so maybe Crowder could be used for draft picks to ship to Toronto in lieu of that FRP.

Or maybe Crowder and Payne could be a three team deal to get Eric Gordon with Jake to the Bucks, Nwora and Payne and Ibaka and HIll to the Rockets with second rounders

[Qwigglez]

I would trade for GTJ if the Suns weren't comfortable ponying up 3 1st for Anunoby, however I feel he wouldn't want to play for the Suns and would likely tell his agent he'd prefer to go elsewhere. I think his most likely destination is the Mavs where he can be the No 2 scoring options behind Luka.

I like the idea of Crowder for Seth Curry, but I don't think TJ Warren wants to come back to the Suns. Can we pluck Watanabe from the Nets instead?

[Qwigglez]

It makes no sense to trade Cam Johnson for Anunoby. Our major issue thus far this season revolves around Crowder sitting on his ass at home. Our wing depth has been horrible. Yeah, Torey Craig has been a good soldier and has played better than I expected but he is not a starting forward in the NBA. We have been playing with one starting quality foward in Mikal. We finally have Cam Johnson back and we have won 6 of 7. Yes, a lot of that is due to the play of the guy most of this board has written off, CP3. The point is that we are winning. When we won 64 games we had 3 capable forwards in Mikal, Cam and Jae. If we just replace Cam with Anunoby we are where we currently are but not any better. We still have a guy that appears to be injured as much as Cam. If we are going to give away draft picks we cannot just stay where we are.

In my book no trade including Cam Johnson. If we cannot get Anunoby without including Cam take a hard pass. I would offer Jae, Shamet and 2 or 3 picks.

I also would immediately sign Saben Lee for the rest of the year. I really like him. What bench guys do you value above him? Come on James, wake up. I look forward to him entering the game. Dump someone to make room for him.

Agree here. I think Saben Lee has done a good enough job in his limited time here that he should be signed here for the remainder of the year. However... with what Jones has said about wanting shooters, I think we won't end up signing Lee. I think if Jones had the decision to either cut DWJ or Saben Lee, I think he is going with cutting Lee because DWJ can torch teams if he's feeling it.

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[Slim Charless]

My thinking on adding value by the trade deadlines is something along the lines of:

1- Trade Shamet/ Saric/ future (top 15 ) lotto protected 1st for Trent Jr.

2- Trade Crowder/ Craig future protected 1st for Grant/ . (Since reports have been saying the blazers would look to trade him IF he wouldn't agree to extension)!
Salary and two protected 1sts is a good outcome IF we could walk out of the deadline with BOTH Jerami Grant and Trent Jr. IF Ishbia is willing to pay, and Money/ Luxury Tax truly isn't an issue. I get that we'd have to really pay up to resign them both, But I'm also taking into account Pau's contract being an expiring or buyout option to absorb about 15 million off that cost?

(ALL IN MOVE THIS YEAR!!!
Paul/Book/Bridges/Grant/Ayton! Then next season becomes............................

Book Bridges/Johnson/Grant/Ayton.

You always do this lol.

Why would another team not beat a protected pick amd filler for Grant? He's likely to make the all star game or come very close. NYK just offered 3 firsts for OG...so they wouldn't see that and beat the offer? NOP, MEM, and other teams can do better than Craig and a protected first as well.

You have to think why other teams would do some of these trades.....

[Desertfox]

Well we know JJ hates draft picks and there's a GM that loves draft picks, I believe a match made in heaven can be made in a trade for Markannen... best to throw a bunch of picks at a PF that fits a major team need than a SF that doesn't.

Trade Crowder for TJ and Curry, and now you can trade Cam for a good promising PG.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I would trade for GTJ if the Suns weren't comfortable ponying up 3 1st for Anunoby, however I feel he wouldn't want to play for the Suns and would likely tell his agent he'd prefer to go elsewhere. I think his most likely destination is the Mavs where he can be the No 2 scoring options behind Luka.

I like the idea of Crowder for Seth Curry, but I don't think TJ Warren wants to come back to the Suns. Can we pluck Watanabe from the Nets instead?

Ha yeah I don't think TJ would even show up for his post trade physical. And since he's missed the past few games he probably can't pass one.

I do have to tip my cap some here who are very very dedicated to an average player from one of the darkest times in suns history.


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Yeah.... I'm not giving him that. 25 million? That's a wild overpay lol. I hope Dallas is dumb enough to fork over 25 a year to GTJ.

LMAO

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[Frank Lee]

Anunoby and Boucher for Ayton?

Interesting move. Always liked Boucher, he seems to play well against us, but many do. You make this move we’d have to parlay another C with a Chowder deal. Three teamer? May be Nick Richards from Charlotte. Possibly Plumlee? Run a platoon of Smack, bigAussie, and ? We don’t really lack fire power on O when all are healthy, even without DA. A solid rebounding rim defender in the post who can set legit picks would fit nicely. Boucher is long enough to small ball C too. We could throw out a menacing defense and be pretty deep. Still a bit fragile at PG. may be see more point Book. A healthy Payne is sorely needed.

Then, I think next yr, we end up keeping CP. his thirty mill drops off when it’s time to re-up Anunoby.

Book, CP, CamJo, Anunoby, Boucher, Craig, DLee, Smack, bigAssie, Payne, and the rest doesn’t look too bad. The following yr we need to resign some Cs, and of course CamJo. uncertain what is in store for DLee and Craig but would be surprised if they are here. We do have the biAnnual and the MLE. I don’t think there is anyway we avoid a big tax bill and stay relevant.


If Jones is set on moving DA, thinking the slot is more for a role player, that’s a pretty good return. And it should not cost us more than a pick.

[BobbieL]

I would trade for GTJ if the Suns weren't comfortable ponying up 3 1st for Anunoby, however I feel he wouldn't want to play for the Suns and would likely tell his agent he'd prefer to go elsewhere. I think his most likely destination is the Mavs where he can be the No 2 scoring options behind Luka.

I like the idea of Crowder for Seth Curry, but I don't think TJ Warren wants to come back to the Suns. Can we pluck Watanabe from the Nets instead?

you are probably right about GTJr wanting to be the second banana

As for Crowder for those two - wouldn't be bad

[Ghost of Kleine]

My thinking on adding value by the trade deadlines is something along the lines of:

1- Trade Shamet/ Saric/ future (top 15 ) lotto protected 1st for Trent Jr.

2- Trade Crowder/ Craig future protected 1st for Grant/ . (Since reports have been saying the blazers would look to trade him IF he wouldn't agree to extension)!
Salary and two protected 1sts is a good outcome IF we could walk out of the deadline with BOTH Jerami Grant and Trent Jr. IF Ishbia is willing to pay, and Money/ Luxury Tax truly isn't an issue.

I don't have any problem with the first one. Meaning dealing a protected pick for Trent Jr. You can include Russell or even Clarkson. Plus if the Raptors were to take Shamet - would really like that

Second deal - I just don't see Grant turning down that extension - so maybe Crowder could be used for draft picks to ship to Toronto in lieu of that FRP.

Or maybe Crowder and Payne could be a three team deal to get Eric Gordon with Jake to the Bucks, Nwora and Payne and Ibaka and HIll to the Rockets with second rounders

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270190/Blazers-Will-Receive-Trade-Calls-On-Jerami-Grant-If-He-Doesnt-Sign-Extension

If Jerami Grant continues to decline a contract extension offer from the Portland Trail Blazers, "teams are going to sniff" about his potential availability via trade before the deadline, writes Brian Windhorst.

Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports reported last week that Grant has not accepted the offer of $112 million over four years as he expects to make more as an outright free agent this offseason. The Blazers can offer more money and an extra year to Grant this offseason.

The Blazers acquired Grant from the Detroit Pistons this past offseason.

Grant is averaging 21.3 points, 2.4 assists and 4.4 rebounds this season with the Blazers.

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I only mention Grant because of these reports though. Now again, this would be predicated largely upon the premise of Ishbia being willing to go deep into the LT! But also those penalties could likely be somewhat reduced by moving Ayton for a cheaper option? (Maybe a Capela or a Poetl perhaps)?? Hell, We could look at Holmes even ? IF Ayton is truly that inconsequential to our success. Also taking into account a potential Paul buyout or moving his expiring next season? But between the two options, IF we're willing to resign him for what he's seeking, I'd be fairly positive he'd choose us (in terms of contention and environment) over Portland!

[Frank Lee]

I don’t get the overlove for a SG. Period. Especially when Bridges can fill in there. He’s our best back up to Book IMO. Monty just needs to shelve the hockey line mentality. Best players need to play.

[Ghost of Kleine]

My thinking on adding value by the trade deadlines is something along the lines of:

1- Trade Shamet/ Saric/ future (top 15 ) lotto protected 1st for Trent Jr.

2- Trade Crowder/ Craig future protected 1st for Grant/ . (Since reports have been saying the blazers would look to trade him IF he wouldn't agree to extension)!
Salary and two protected 1sts is a good outcome IF we could walk out of the deadline with BOTH Jerami Grant and Trent Jr. IF Ishbia is willing to pay, and Money/ Luxury Tax truly isn't an issue. I get that we'd have to really pay up to resign them both, But I'm also taking into account Pau's contract being an expiring or buyout option to absorb about 15 million off that cost?

(ALL IN MOVE THIS YEAR!!!
Paul/Book/Bridges/Grant/Ayton! Then next season becomes............................

Book Bridges/Johnson/Grant/Ayton.

You always do this lol.

Why would another team not beat a protected pick amd filler for Grant? He's likely to make the all star game or come very close. NYK just offered 3 firsts for OG...so they wouldn't see that and beat the offer? NOP, MEM, and other teams can do better than Craig and a protected first as well.

You have to think why other teams would do some of these trades.....

Probably because of the underlying extension amount they'd have to be willing to invest in man! Just the same, What would we lose by making the proposal? At best they accept and we have Grant at the 4 this season! At worst someone else beats our offer and we STILL LOSE NOTHING in simply submitting an offer! I mean you ever hear the saying.....................................

" You lose 100% of the opportunities you choose to never pursue!
Again, We'd stand as good of a chance as any other team due to the contractual commitment and potential cap implications removing a fair amount of competition that might not be willing to either take that risk with him being an unrestricted free agent, and/or having to consider the cap commitment involved IF they trade for him! How many of those teams we'd hypothetically be bidding against would be removed simply due to the cap implications or inability or unwillingness to commit to an extension of the level he's seeking? Would those teams find surrendering their assets an acceptable risk IF they aren't even in an advantageous financial position to realistically resign him? You take that swing because you still lose nothing if you don't get him, But gain a whole lot IF you do!