Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[PaperHoops]

I would say without Sharpe there wouldn’t be any interest from the Raptors side. Which is fine, if they aren’t concerned with building around Dame in his prime. Maybe Portland will sell off (Grant, Hart, Nurkic) to open things up for Sharpe.

But to just flat say OG for Sharpe isn’t possible? I think At 25 Sharpe aspires to be where OG is currently. If you’re 1000% sold he exceeds it, then fine. I’m not so sure.

Blazers have Simons who would have to be moved to clear up a spot for Sharpe.

Basically you are either building to win now with Dame or in the future with Sharpe. There is no in-between. And as far as I can tell...they are all-in with Dame so moving Sharpe is the ONLY move that brings back a guy that helps Dame.

If Portland was willing to trade the pick that ended up being Sharpe at the draft...they are probably just as interested in trading Sharpe for OG now.

Simons needs to go. Maybe there is some team somewhere that believes in him.

So you’re convinced Dame is untouchable at this point? How would you build around him? It seems like they’ve put some nice pieces together at the moment.

I really like what the Blazers have done with Justice Winslow.

Out of all of the packages that are being rumoured, I think Tor/Por could find something mutually beneficial.

What would you consider doing to benefit this Portland group without blatantly fleecing us?

[Raptors Realtor]

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F*ck the Clippers, zero interest in helping them.

Kawhi wanted to go home and he chose to re-sign with the Clippers when he had the chance to explore his options in FA. I don't get the hate with the Clippers.

Really?... How about the Clips sending Lawrence Frank to stalk Kawhi at every game during the 19-20 season? Which the league ended up banning an organization from doing going forward because it's obviously tampering.

[ItsDanger]

Roll the dice and target Pels 2023 pick Lakers have.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

If we can find a way to move OG for Hart and Sharpe (+ pick) and Fred in a 3 teamer to get Ayton that would be a great turnaround even without a lot of draft capital.

I think I saw a 3 teamer where Ayton comes to us and Poetl and Fred go to the Suns. Spurs get picks from both teams and salary filler. Suns would have to believe big time to Fred though.

[Ranger One]

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F*ck the Clippers, zero interest in helping them.

Kawhi wanted to go home and he chose to re-sign with the Clippers when he had the chance to explore his options in FA. I don't get the hate with the Clippers.

People still under the delusion that Kawhi had any intention whatsoever of staying here beyond one year. Anyone with half a brain knew Toronto was a pit stop for him on his way home. And anything the Clippers supposedly did like showing up to all our games and tampering had zero impact on his leaving. In his mind he was already in LA the day the trade happened.

[douggood]

Roll the dice and target Pels 2023 pick Lakers have.

lakers cant trade that pick

[Spida888]

If the Knicks are offering their own unprotected picks as opposed to their crappy protected ones, then there might be something there. Maybe missing out on Mitchell may make them more aggressive to get OG.

[Jadoogar]

Roll the dice and target Pels 2023 pick Lakers have.

If that pick is offered, it will almost certainly be top 2 protected. I can't imagine any 2023 pick is traded completely unprotected, no one is giving up even a slight chance at Wemby. He's THAT level of prospect.

[T-d0t]

F*ck the Clippers, zero interest in helping them.

Kawhi wanted to go home and he chose to re-sign with the Clippers when he had the chance to explore his options in FA. I don't get the hate with the Clippers.

Really?... How about the Clips sending Lawrence Frank to stalk Kawhi at every game during the 19-20 season? Which the league ended up banning an organization from doing going forward because it's obviously tampering.

Ya but it was Kawhi's choice to sign with the Clippers and no matter what happened that season, LA was his end goal.

In hindsight it doesn't seem like he made the right choice.

[RaptorPride]

Watch us make trades that push us back into the playoffs. We need most of our value in picks and young prospects. Don't want a Rudy Gay situation.

[DelAbbot]

Oh no, if Fred is traded, who is going to bring the ball up next season? Lots of energy will be expended by either Siakam / Barnes bringing the ball up since they have much worse handle.

Malachi Flynn?

[RaptorPride]

[T-d0t]

What a weird thing to post to your social media lol

[Highflyerwire]

If Ayton wants to play in Toronto, sure, I guess it makes us better swapping him for OG but I have major concerns with Ayton's drive and willingness to stay here when he's already having issues with the Suns. There's a lot of stuff we do not know about the whole PHX situation he's in but he should still be able to get his and show out.

Feels very Toronto to take a gamble on a player and hope for the best but at least the logjam of small PFs becomes less of an issue. Offensively he's not missing very much, he's a big body who can move on the screen and roll, has good touch and OK range with a seemingly developing 3pt shot (31% on 0.5 attempts). Most Cs don't have the greatest offensive awareness and I think he falls around average in that regard for his position. Defensively he's solid man-to-man defender but lacks the speed to switch and defend guards on the perimeter. He is also not a real shot blocker but still a paint deterrent because of his size and chooses to put 2 hands up instead of going for blocks more often, which could be an athletic limitation, or maybe more of a way to reduce getting into foul trouble.

At this point I just want to watch the Raptors play good basketball, not what we have been given this year the majority of games and I don't think you can doubt them improving after acquiring DA for OG... The concern then becomes what happens in the next couple of years.

[DelAbbot]

What a weird thing to post to your social media lol

Very consistent with Fred's passive aggressive nature. After negging Scottie, he is ready to neg the FO.

He thinks Scottie and Masai are emotionally-underdeveloped, resorting to these type of mind games.

[JRoy]

Blazers have Simons who would have to be moved to clear up a spot for Sharpe.

Basically you are either building to win now with Dame or in the future with Sharpe. There is no in-between. And as far as I can tell...they are all-in with Dame so moving Sharpe is the ONLY move that brings back a guy that helps Dame.

If Portland was willing to trade the pick that ended up being Sharpe at the draft...they are probably just as interested in trading Sharpe for OG now.

Simons needs to go. Maybe there is some team somewhere that believes in him.

So you’re convinced Dame is untouchable at this point? How would you build around him? It seems like they’ve put some nice pieces together at the moment.

I really like what the Blazers have done with Justice Winslow.

Out of all of the packages that are being rumoured, I think Tor/Por could find something mutually beneficial.

What would you consider doing to benefit this Portland group without blatantly fleecing us?

Great question, appreciate the civil dialogue.

The FO has stated it wants to keep Lillard and wants to compete. Most fans appreciate the sentiment but don’t see any realistic path to contention and prefer a rebuild.

If POR opts for the rebuild, there are no deals that make sense for both teams.

If POR decides to continue the pretend to contend path, there might be potential deals but POR would rather send draft capital than Sharpe, who is valued very highly. That draft capital situation is complicated by the status of the FRP owed to CHI.

[SFour]

Fred + OG for Ayton + Cam + pick ?

[JRoy]

Blazers have Simons who would have to be moved to clear up a spot for Sharpe.

Basically you are either building to win now with Dame or in the future with Sharpe. There is no in-between. And as far as I can tell...they are all-in with Dame so moving Sharpe is the ONLY move that brings back a guy that helps Dame.

If Portland was willing to trade the pick that ended up being Sharpe at the draft...they are probably just as interested in trading Sharpe for OG now.

Simons needs to go. Maybe there is some team somewhere that believes in him.

Has the fanbase perception of Simons changed that much to now wanting him traded? Wasn't that long ago that he was the Blazers coveted prospect

Simons could be an excellent long term piece on a good team. Ideally, flanked by strong switchable defensive players at pg and sf. He compounds the defensive and size issues in the POR backcourt and is a terrible fit with Lillard.

It is telling that the coach used Winslow as much as he did as a playmaker rather than Simons.

[Rapsfan07]

Fred + OG for Ayton + Cam + pick ?

No.

[phanman]

If Ayton wants to play in Toronto, sure, I guess it makes us better swapping him for OG but I have major concerns with Ayton's drive and willingness to stay here when he's already having issues with the Suns. There's a lot of stuff we do not know about the whole PHX situation he's in but he should still be able to get his and show out.

Feels very Toronto to take a gamble on a player and hope for the best but at least the logjam of small PFs becomes less of an issue. Offensively he's not missing very much, he's a big body who can move on the screen and roll, has good touch and OK range with a seemingly developing 3pt shot (31% on 0.5 attempts). Most Cs don't have the greatest offensive awareness and I think he falls around average in that regard for his position. Defensively he's solid man-to-man defender but lacks the speed to switch and defend guards on the perimeter. He is also not a real shot blocker but still a paint deterrent because of his size and chooses to put 2 hands up instead of going for blocks more often, which could be an athletic limitation, or maybe more of a way to reduce getting into foul trouble.

At this point I just want to watch the Raptors play good basketball, not what we have been given this year the majority of games and I don't think you can doubt them improving after acquiring DA for OG... The concern then becomes what happens in the next couple of years.

Trading OG for DA is a downgrade on the floor man. The fit is even more clunky offensively with a Barnes-Pascal-DA front court. For all the goodwill Pascal had early shooting it from deep, he is now down to 31.4% for the season and Scottie is at 29%. Pair that together with our starting back court(if not traded) that is also shooting below their career norms, the paint becomes that much more congested.

Plus his contract is fugly, and it eliminates all the developmental minutes for Precious and Koloko.