Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

[phanman]

I agree it's not great, but the pick and roll opportunities DA would provide for all of our starters is something we are sorely lacking that even when Scottie fills that role we improve. To me, Siakam and Scottie are more High Post scorers and they have playmaking chops. Actions with Pskills and Barnes with Ayton should give people better looks outside but it's a gamble for sure.

I agree in a vacuum DA is a really good option as a pick setter but that is a slight improvement for the massive downgrade we'd have exchanging OG for DA in regards to our biggest need in reliable floor spacing. The upside with OG is also in a different stratosphere than DA and i'd rather just give him his new contract than pay Ayton is max deal already.

DA is a luxury that a team built around Scottie and Pascal just doesn't need man. Precious is giving us similar production to Ayton at a fraction of the price. A package built around CamJo, Dario and picks would be a much better outcome.... even then its a package that doesn't necessarily blow me away either. Phoenix only has their own picks, which will be terrible if they get OG from us.

The only thing I'd add to my argument since you bring up Precious, is that Precious is closer to OG than to Ayton in terms of what he offers to a team. If DA can't elevate the sun's who have good 3pt shooting it's hard to see him elevate the raptors who do not, I get that.

Disagree entirely. OG and Precious' play style and impact to the team are nothing alike. He plays that big man role for us doing a ton of the dirty work and is a locomotive in transition off defensive rebounds. His finishing ability is also in a different category than OG.

Especially during this recent stretch as the injury replacement starter playing 34mpg. The last 6 games:
17.2pts, 10.5reb, 1.2ast, 1.3stl, 0.7blk on 66.7%TS

[Crives]

Fred, OG, Khem, Thad
for
Ayton, Cam, Crowder and 2-1sts

Crowder to highest bidder.

I have seen a lot of internet traffic about the Suns getting both OG and Fred. Nothing wrong with that but to target Ayton, and to further hear that Toronto has fans of DA in the front office further confirms how incompetent this management really is.

I am all for a smart tanking strategy where you acquire picks and young prospects, but DA is a max contract player playing with the best pick and roll PG in the NBA. His somewhat mediocre #s for a max player are inflated by Chris Paul. If we trade away Fred, we have no PG to get the ball to Ayton. We also would have to overhaul the defensive scheme. This is a player benched in the playoffs due to his defense.

Phoenix has about 8 picks so let's focus on that plus find a third team to get a viable young player or two, like the Utah Jazz (Colin Sexton, Vanderbilt). Let's not start a new era with even more flaws than before.

Isn’t that good for one year? Helps tank the pick while Ayton gets a ton of experience handling the ball.

[DatHomieYouHaTe]

Ayton and Barnes seems crappy to me no thanks...

[Dalek]

Which player is going to pass to Ayton to set him up for his interior plays he is use to with CP3, if Fred is gone. Also Ayton will occupy so much of the paint that it is going to hinder Barnes development. We need a stretch 5, not Ayton, Pascal and Barnes vying for interior space

Ayton occupies the same space as the players left over in Barnes and Siakam. This offense would be a muddled mess with zero spacing and shooting. If we lost Trent Jr. in FA the offense would end up 30th in the league. I would like a stretch five, or just to get some shooting or a dynamic pointguard - not invest in a flawed player on a max deal that likely will not fit well with our young superstar.

[alpngso]

Everyone please stop doing mock trades that involve us getting Ayton he can stay in phx

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/10qwdm0/best_and_worst_rim_protectors/

Yes, let’s bring in one of the worst rim protector (Ayton) to a team that has no rim protection and have him play 36 min a night instead of giving Koloko the time to develop

[Dalek]

Fred, OG, Khem, Thad
for
Ayton, Cam, Crowder and 2-1sts

Crowder to highest bidder.

I have seen a lot of internet traffic about the Suns getting both OG and Fred. Nothing wrong with that but to target Ayton, and to further hear that Toronto has fans of DA in the front office further confirms how incompetent this management really is.

I am all for a smart tanking strategy where you acquire picks and young prospects, but DA is a max contract player playing with the best pick and roll PG in the NBA. His somewhat mediocre #s for a max player are inflated by Chris Paul. If we trade away Fred, we have no PG to get the ball to Ayton. We also would have to overhaul the defensive scheme. This is a player benched in the playoffs due to his defense.

Phoenix has about 8 picks so let's focus on that plus find a third team to get a viable young player or two, like the Utah Jazz (Colin Sexton, Vanderbilt). Let's not start a new era with even more flaws than before.

Isn’t that good for one year? Helps tank the pick while Ayton gets a ton of experience handling the ball.

I don't have a problem with one season, but that Ayton max deal is far too much to invest in. It is hard to move those deals after and if he struggles, we could have an epically bad situation.

[tradejosehesux]

I want no part of Ayton period.

[Rapsfan07]

I think if the goal is to rebuild around Barnes by moving FVV/Siakam/OG/Trent, we should be looking at acquiring a blue chip guard prospect.

Ayton is nice and good at what he does but he's more of a luxury than a necessity. Not to mention he's paid quite a bit and not a good shooter.

[Los_29]

I have seen a lot of internet traffic about the Suns getting both OG and Fred. Nothing wrong with that but to target Ayton, and to further hear that Toronto has fans of DA in the front office further confirms how incompetent this management really is.

I am all for a smart tanking strategy where you acquire picks and young prospects, but DA is a max contract player playing with the best pick and roll PG in the NBA. His somewhat mediocre #s for a max player are inflated by Chris Paul. If we trade away Fred, we have no PG to get the ball to Ayton. We also would have to overhaul the defensive scheme. This is a player benched in the playoffs due to his defense.

Phoenix has about 8 picks so let's focus on that plus find a third team to get a viable young player or two, like the Utah Jazz (Colin Sexton, Vanderbilt). Let's not start a new era with even more flaws than before.

Who is incompetent? Suns front office or the Raptors?

And Ayton's numbers are better without CP3. lol.

Raptors front office would be, since Ayton is a drop big with limited shooting range and has a history of giving up. His coach even called him out on that.

I'd have to look at how many games he played without CP3 and who the opponent was, but Ayton is not the most advanced scorer. We all just watched him do his lazy backdown and hookshot. He is as basic as it comes. CP3 or even Book get him the ball in optimal spots.

Yeah and that's a ridiculous statement to make that this front office is incompetent. Not kidding, you are the first person I have seen to make such a claim. That is an absurd hot take. LOL.

The numbers don't lie, Ayton is better without CP3. The sample size is quite large as well.

[Tor_Raps]

Everyone please stop doing mock trades that involve us getting Ayton he can stay in phx

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/10qwdm0/best_and_worst_rim_protectors/

Yes, let’s bring in one of the worst rim protector (Ayton) to a team that has no rim protection and have him play 36 min a night instead of giving Koloko the time to develop

Look at the names ahead of Embiid so there is more to rim protection than whatever or however this metric measures.

No one's calling Ayton a DPOY candidate but he still does do a lot of good. Just having his bulk and rebounding would improve us on the interior.

[Yeezus_]

Unless your center is a superstar like Embiid or Jokic, you should not be allocating $40m+ a year on a center

[tdotrep2]

Ayton and Barnes seems crappy to me no thanks...

while i agree, are you interested in jakob?

[douggood]

Unless your center is a superstar like Embiid or Jokic, you should not be allocating $40m+ a year on a center

he has 3 years 100 mil left after this season

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Ayton's not really an option, unless he's your #2 option. He makes too much.

[Tor_Raps]

Unless your center is a superstar like Embiid or Jokic, you should not be allocating $40m+ a year on a center

This should hold true to any player for any position and I'm pretty sure

Ayton is making 35M. Fred will be looking to make that much on his next contract. OG will be looking to make 30M on his... it's a crazy world lol.

[raptor jesus]

I have zero interest in Ayton, considering his contract and Bargnani-like motor and awareness.

[Smalltown]

Ayton is making 35M. Fred will be looking to make that much on his next contract. OG will be looking to make 30M on his... it's a crazy world lol.

This is why if it's a Fred for Ayton deal I'm ok with it. Fred and bits for Ayton an bits. Essentially a wash in your salaries going forward. And then trade OG for a youngish guard and picks.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Unless your center is a superstar like Embiid or Jokic, you should not be allocating $40m+ a year on a center

This should hold true to any player for any position and I'm pretty sure

Ayton is making 35M. Fred will be looking to make that much on his next contract. OG will be looking to make 30M on his... it's a crazy world lol.

if those were our 3 options, I'd give the money to O.G. He's the only one that is elite at what he does in the NBA, and is just a year older than Ayton.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

Ayton's Ok as a player, it's just hard to build around a C in todays game. In the 90's, early 2k...sure.

If it worked today, we'd be talking about Denver and Philly more.

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