2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[BobbieL]

Can the Pels even afford to take on Anunoby with them being at 169 million and well over the LT next season? Is there a secondary pivot for us IF either team were to trade for Anunoby? Does a Grant offer then become more intriguing if one of these teams blows there assets/cap flexibility on Anunoby? Or does going stronger on Vanderbilt or trading for Collins at lowest possible value in a buy low/ trade high value recoup premise seem more reasonable??

Well the Pels would certainly trump the Suns offer automatically just because they own the 2023 Lakers 1st, and then the Bucks 2025 and 2027 pick. I see the Pels easily making this deal. I could see the Pels potentially making a deal over the summer, or even before the next deadline if they feel salaries will be an issue and they can probably trade Ingram or Anunoby depending on who they like more. However, until then I don't see why they wouldn't make a deal, unless it's to conserve salary and not overspend.

But yeah, Suns backup options are probably John Collins, Jerami Grant. Grant even more so than Collins just because he can spread the floor better. However, I'm sure James Jones is aware how much money Grant wants this off-season and I think that makes Collins contract far more appealing.

Trade Shamet and Saric for Collins

Still use Crowder and Payne to maybe get a bench shooter - even if its a guy Eric Gordon

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The difference between Okogie and Caruso is that Caruso can shoot 3's a lot better, however I'd say Okogie probably can play defense even better than Caruso. Okogie needs to be in the gym launching 2000 3s a day.

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Anyway... I would really like Caruso if we could get him. (I know he's not available though)

[BobbieL]

Can the Pels even afford to take on Anunoby with them being at 169 million and well over the LT next season? Is there a secondary pivot for us IF either team were to trade for Anunoby? Does a Grant offer then become more intriguing if one of these teams blows there assets/cap flexibility on Anunoby? Or does going stronger on Vanderbilt or trading for Collins at lowest possible value in a buy low/ trade high value recoup premise seem more reasonable??

Well the Pels would certainly trump the Suns offer automatically just because they own the 2023 Lakers 1st, and then the Bucks 2025 and 2027 pick. I see the Pels easily making this deal. I could see the Pels potentially making a deal over the summer, or even before the next deadline if they feel salaries will be an issue and they can probably trade Ingram or Anunoby depending on who they like more. However, until then I don't see why they wouldn't make a deal, unless it's to conserve salary and not overspend.

But yeah, Suns backup options are probably John Collins, Jerami Grant. Grant even more so than Collins just because he can spread the floor better. However, I'm sure James Jones is aware how much money Grant wants this off-season and I think that makes Collins contract far more appealing.

Wonder if Ainge would be willing to take Collins - bigger picture than just this year and the Suns could get Olynyk and Vanderbilt

Granted, Collins - might be a nice fit. Would move Cam J to the bench I would think

Still would need a bench scorer as just do not trust ShamPayne

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Trade Shamet and Saric for Collins

Still use Crowder and Payne to maybe get a bench shooter - even if its a guy Eric Gordon

I feel the Hawks would be willing to trade Collins for Saric and Crowder. No way they do it for Shamet and Saric though. I wonder if we could instead do a 3 for 3 trade. Crowder, Dario, and Shamet for Collins, and the Holiday bros.

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The Phoenix Suns are signing guard Saben Lee to a two-way NBA deal and waiving Duane Washington Jr., sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Lee earns deal with Suns after strong stint on 10-days. Washington has scoring ability, averaging 8 points in 13 minutes per game this season.

This is tough but I'm confident DWJ will be picked up by another team. Good luck Sir

[BobbieL]

Trade Shamet and Saric for Collins

Still use Crowder and Payne to maybe get a bench shooter - even if its a guy Eric Gordon

I feel the Hawks would be willing to trade Collins for Saric and Crowder. No way they do it for Shamet and Saric though. I wonder if we could instead do a 3 for 3 trade. Crowder, Dario, and Shamet for Collins, and the Holiday bros.

Collins has a lot of money left on his deal --- if its truly compared to Shamet. The Holidays - they would probably want Cam Payne since only $2m left - wouldn't be averse to that.

Saric Crowder Payne for Collins and Holidays

[Ghost of Kleine]

Can the Pels even afford to take on Anunoby with them being at 169 million and well over the LT next season? Is there a secondary pivot for us IF either team were to trade for Anunoby? Does a Grant offer then become more intriguing if one of these teams blows there assets/cap flexibility on Anunoby? Or does going stronger on Vanderbilt or trading for Collins at lowest possible value in a buy low/ trade high value recoup premise seem more reasonable??

Well the Pels would certainly trump the Suns offer automatically just because they own the 2023 Lakers 1st, and then the Bucks 2025 and 2027 pick. I see the Pels easily making this deal. I could see the Pels potentially making a deal over the summer, or even before the next deadline if they feel salaries will be an issue and they can probably trade Ingram or Anunoby depending on who they like more. However, until then I don't see why they wouldn't make a deal, unless it's to conserve salary and not overspend.

But yeah, Suns backup options are probably John Collins, Jerami Grant. Grant even more so than Collins just because he can spread the floor better. However, I'm sure James Jones is aware how much money Grant wants this off-season and I think that makes Collins contract far more appealing.

Fair points IF their ownership is actually willing to spend and pay what Anunoby would be seeking! Although I'd think having to move Ingram or even Anunoby specifically after just surrendering significant assets would be counterproductive and a clear no from the jump! Unless this would be a single season "All in" type contention move? Kind of emphasizes the folly of Jones in not prioritizing the draft and asset accumulation ( picks) to be able to legitimately field a competitive trade package for a high caliber or star player huh....lol? I'm kind of "all in" on Collins for the cost as it affords us the most asset retention towards actually adding another impact piece in another trade! I'd be on the phone securing this deal right now!

And IF we did trade for Collins (whilst his value is at it's lowest currently) Would it then also make sense to flip Ayton for Vucevic, as he's a better floor spacer, and more versatile offensively in spacing the floor? Would a Collins/ Vucevic frontcourt be an upgrade to Ayton? Then moving Johnson to the bench in a super 6th man role?

[Jdiddy701]

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The Phoenix Suns are signing guard Saben Lee to a two-way NBA deal and waiving Duane Washington Jr., sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Lee earns deal with Suns after strong stint on 10-days. Washington has scoring ability, averaging 8 points in 13 minutes per game this season.

This is tough but I'm confident DWJ will be picked up by another team. Good luck Sir

I really liked Washington. I’m surprised by this decision. He will for sure get picked up pretty quickly.


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[BobbieL]

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This is tough but I'm confident DWJ will be picked up by another team. Good luck Sir

I really liked Washington. I’m surprised by this decision. He will for sure get picked up pretty quickly.


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Might be the number of games active

or might just be Lee fits better

[Ghost of Kleine]

A Jones vs. Ujiri trade scares the **** out of me. What are the chances we don't come out of that completely taken advantage of?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Rozier and Hayward to the Flakers possibly? Something like that would definitely make them even more annoying!

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This is tough but I'm confident DWJ will be picked up by another team. Good luck Sir

I really liked Washington. I’m surprised by this decision. He will for sure get picked up pretty quickly.


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it was between him and Saben, and either way we would have been upset. both solid guys and wish a certain light-skinned guard wasn't on the roster eating up $9m in salary so they could both have stayed.

[kennydorglas]

That was a game when DWJr was making the worst reads of all time (the Archie Goodwin special) and Monty had enough.
I guess this is why we got Lee now.
Gifted scorer tho, wish he gets another chance somewhere else.

[BobbieL]

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Rozier and Hayward to the Flakers possibly? Something like that would definitely make them even more annoying!

Pretty sure I posted this trade months ago

I just didn't think the lakers would want to lose all their cap space this summer. So they must have surveyed the market for this summer and realized Hayward + Rozier is better than whats out there. It would clear a bunch of cash for the Hornets

[WeekapaugGroove]

I doubt Washington gets picked up right away. Teams want roster flex right now. After the deadline maybe, maybe even Phoenix.

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[lilfishi22]

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The Phoenix Suns are signing guard Saben Lee to a two-way NBA deal and waiving Duane Washington Jr., sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. Lee earns deal with Suns after strong stint on 10-days. Washington has scoring ability, averaging 8 points in 13 minutes per game this season.

Holy crap. As I wrote in the previous page, I felt James Jones was contemplating between DWJ and Lee, but I thought he would have opted for DWJ. However... as I was thinking back on it, I remember someone posting on Twitter how DWJ is only good in short bursts, and Monty had to sub him out in the 2nd half because he is prone to make many mistakes. And I feel when looking back at Lee's contribution, he was rather impressive with meaningful minutes. Additionally, he provided stability at the PG spot when the Suns were struggling to bring the ball up the court with no CP3 or Booker.

Solid move. DWJ if he can just stay consistent, continue working on his craft, I think he could be a role player in the league. He just isn't ready yet.

Yeah I like both guys but I liked DWJ a little more. Just an overall a more talented and has a higher ceiling than Lee imo. I also don't like Lee's shooting form. Every time someone points out a butt ugly jump shot, someone else will point to Shawn Marion but he's the exception, not the rule. How many good shooters has a shooting form like Saben's? Anyway, while I liked Saben's contribution, I kinda feel like he's a bit dime a dozen and that's not to say DWJr isn't but I just like his combination of good shooting form and handles a bit better.

[lilfishi22]

This is tough but I'm confident DWJ will be picked up by another team. Good luck Sir

I really liked Washington. I’m surprised by this decision. He will for sure get picked up pretty quickly.


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Might be the number of games active

or might just be Lee fits better

I think in light of Payne's lack of a return window, they are focusing on playmaking a little more than wild scoring and heat checks.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Any trades in here that you guys might do?

[BobbieL]

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Any trades in here that you guys might do?

two picks for Jerami Grant
having to resign him this offseason
the fourth one

the others for Ayton - not a chance

Dray for Crowder - maybe