Jokic officially averaging a triple double

[dockingsched]

Pretty sure the value of a triple double was debunked a few Russell Westbrook threads ago.

[JN61]

Great feat. Will see if it lasts. He certainly has dropped his volume in favour of an assist.

[JN61]

IMO Wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s and averaged more assists. True carry job.

No it wasn't for a simple reason. Everybody (mainly Adams) were letting him get defensive rebounds.
He wasn't guarding his man toward the end of a possession because he was going for the rebound.
Which wasn't difficult to get since everybody were boxing out just for him.
Westbrook singlehandedly destroyed the joy of watching a triple double. Ever since nobody is impressed. And the reason for this is the way he was getting them.

Yawn

[KGtabake]

IMO Wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s and averaged more assists. True carry job.

No it wasn't for a simple reason. Everybody (mainly Adams) were letting him get defensive rebounds.
He wasn't guarding his man toward the end of a possession because he was going for the rebound.
Which wasn't difficult to get since everybody were boxing out just for him.
Westbrook singlehandedly destroyed the joy of watching a triple double. Ever since nobody is impressed. And the reason for this is the way he was getting them.

Yawn

Impressive contribution.

[YogurtProducer]

Dont wanna be a debbie downer but..

439 assists in 44 games is not averaging 10apg

[LessEyeTest]

Eyeatoma is unhinged. Did he really say Westbrook triple double seasons - entirely manufactured via gift wrapped rebounds to start fast breaks - were more impressive than Jokic? Hahaha! He can’t handle the fact that Jokic finna win MVP #3.

[Bornstellar]

IMO wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s. True carry job.

Westbrook USG% in 2017: 41.7

Jokic USG% in 2023: 27.6


Westbrook absolutely dominated the ball for OKC in 2017 vs Jokic this season for Denver and literally had the highest USG% of ALL TIME. By comparison, Jokic's USG% this season doesnt even crack the top 250 individual seasons ever. The numbers Jokic is putting up on that USG% are absurd and way more impressive than the guy dribbling the air out of the ball whose teammates purposely allow him to inflate his rebound numbers. Then you factor in his absurd efficiency and its not even close. What Jokic is doing while leading his team to the #1 seed on incredible efficiency is downright mind-boggling.

Westbrook's team is worse than Jokic's right now. Not much he can do with that team. He doesn't have teammates that have the capability of dropping 50 points twice in a playoff series. No one is arguing the efficiency. It's not a contest. As I said, Westbrook's was a true carry job in every sense of the word. When you do that you're bound to be inefficient, especially at his size. And the stat padding really only happened the last week or so from my recollection. You seriously saying it's not impressive for a 6-4 guard to average 10 rebounds a game.

We all know Jokic is the efficiency king. That's his calling card. Westbrook did it first since Oscar, and it hadn't been done in years. The entire basketball world was in awe of him when he was doing it. No need to marginialize his accomplishments, because we now live in the age of advanced stats. Plenty of great players, had more mediocre advanced stats. Are we now going to go back in history and compare all of them, because Jokic is doing what he's doing?

You can have all the advanced stats in the world, but the dude was locked down by PJ tucker, and didn't seem to really have that killer instinct in the recent game against the Sixers.

I don't care about his team being worse. You said Russ was more impressive and I am simply disagreeing for the reasons I stated. I don't care about Westbrook being the first to do it since Oscar. Carry job is irrelevant here. The fact of the matter is Jokic's triple double season (assuming he finishes that way) is far more impressive than Westbrook's because he has the ball way less and is posting historical efficiency. You can disagree, that's fine, but it doesn't change my opinion

Btw - bringing up Murray cus he scored 50 points in the Bubble is irrelevant at the present time considering his injury history. Not to mention Westbrook had Grant, Adams, Sabonis, and Oladipo on his team in 2017 so let's not pretend he had some trash roster. Him dominating the ball to the tune of the highest USG ever was a detriment to those players development. And some random regular season game against PJ Tucker means nothing in this argument

[Phreak50]

This board changes it's mind retrospectively.

You all hyped the hell out of Westbrook's triple doubles. He was a legend, he was goatbrook and so on.

In a few years when Jokic still hasn't won anything what will you say then?

[Cubbies2120]

You can have all the advanced stats in the world, but the dude was locked down by PJ tucker, and didn't seem to really have that killer instinct in the recent game against the Sixers.

Maybe PJ Tucker proved in a half game sample size that he is to Jokic what Horford is to Embiid? Except Horford does it to Embiid over a much larger sample size?

Weird, maybe Tucker is a much better defender than Embiid because Jokic was having no issues w/ Embiid...

[spanishninja]

70 point **** 4 percent TS, honestly...

[JN61]

No it wasn't for a simple reason. Everybody (mainly Adams) were letting him get defensive rebounds.
He wasn't guarding his man toward the end of a possession because he was going for the rebound.
Which wasn't difficult to get since everybody were boxing out just for him.
Westbrook singlehandedly destroyed the joy of watching a triple double. Ever since nobody is impressed. And the reason for this is the way he was getting them.

Yawn

Impressive contribution.

The league wide conspiracy where Adams was boxing out rebounds for Westbrook so he could get his 11.5 rebounds with the wizards.

[JayMKE]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

I don't think Jokic's triple doubles are getting him much further in the playoffs tbf, RS statistical accomplishments only mean so much.

almost impossible to win without without defensive rep

[Cubbies2120]

Pretty sure the value of a triple double was debunked a few Russell Westbrook threads ago.

Well, I think that was primarily due to the uncontested rebounds Westbrook was getting...

Jokic is getting DOUBLE the # of contested rebounds per game...

Jokic is getting 9 shots a game less up than Westbrook was and scoring 6 points a game less...

Not all rebounds and points are the same.

[_BALLDONTLIE]

You can have all the advanced stats in the world, but the dude was locked down by PJ tucker, and didn't seem to really have that killer instinct in the recent game against the Sixers.

Ah yes, the huge sample size of 1 regular season game that trumps all the advance stats in the world.

Let me guess, you also doubt he's averaging a triple double on the season because in that one game PJ Tucker held him to 24, 9 and 8?

[scrabbarista]

50/40/90 is obviously out of the question, but if you add them up you get 180, and if you add Jokic's %'s you get 185. I know, I know... the worst use of math ever (Just use TS%, right? That's better than 50/40/90...).

[BelgradeNugget]

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[rocketsfan100]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

Harden got screwed out of the MVP that year. Having said that Harden and the Rockets bounced the Thunder out of the playoffs that year

[eyeatoma]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

You can't hold yourself, do you?
You don't like him, you'll never acknowledge his quality, so why bother commenting lol
Everybody know that you won't say something positive.

Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.

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[LessEyeTest]

Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

You can't hold yourself, do you?
You don't like him, you'll never acknowledge his quality, so why bother commenting lol
Everybody know that you won't say something positive.

Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.

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You literally have no reason to be in the MVP discussion thread where we know the candidates: Jokic, Tatum, Doncic, KD and Giannis.

Yet you sit there falling over yourself to keep insisting Embiid has a chance. In reality, he's probably going to miss another 10 games with a tweaked toe or other minor injuries he sits out with annually.

[lonzo_pelota]

Jokic numbers are insanely impressive but personally i feel the same as with westbrook get that larry o and it becomes interstellar if not its doing the oscar robinson in modern day era but oscar won his chip when he didnt avg a triple double