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dockingsched wrote:Pretty sure the value of a triple double was debunked a few Russell Westbrook threads ago.
Young gun 6 wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?
Nah definitely not isolated. He’s having he greatest offensive 3 season stretch in the history of the league.
Potentially the greatest 3 year stretch of anyone too.
But yeah like Curry 2016 at the moment he deserves a unanimous mvp as his 3rd in a row.
eyeatoma wrote:Bornstellar wrote:eyeatoma wrote:IMO wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s. True carry job.
Westbrook USG% in 2017: 41.7
Jokic USG% in 2023: 27.6
Westbrook absolutely dominated the ball for OKC in 2017 vs Jokic this season for Denver and literally had the highest USG% of ALL TIME. By comparison, Jokic's USG% this season doesnt even crack the top 250 individual seasons ever.The numbers Jokic is putting up on that USG% are absurd and way more impressive than the guy dribbling the air out of the ball whose teammates purposely allow him to inflate his rebound numbers. Then you factor in his absurd efficiency and its not even close. What Jokic is doing while leading his team to the #1 seed on incredible efficiency is downright mind-boggling.
Westbrook's team is worse than Jokic's right now. Not much he can do with that team. He doesn't have teammates that have the capability of dropping 50 points twice in a playoff series. No one is arguing the efficiency. It's not a contest. As I said, Westbrook's was a true carry job in every sense of the word. When you do that you're bound to be inefficient, especially at his size. And the stat padding really only happened the last week or so from my recollection. You seriously saying it's not impressive for a 6-4 guard to average 10 rebounds a game.
We all know Jokic is the efficiency king. That's his calling card. Westbrook did it first since Oscar, and it hadn't been done in years. The entire basketball world was in awe of him when he was doing it. No need to marginialize his accomplishments, because we now live in the age of advanced stats. Plenty of great players, had more mediocre advanced stats. Are we now going to go back in history and compare all of them, because Jokic is doing what he's doing?
You can have all the advanced stats in the world, but the dude was locked down by PJ tucker, and didn't seem to really have that killer instinct in the recent game against the Sixers.
The High Cyde wrote:Only way he wins a third MVP in a row is if he averages a triple double on insane efficiency…is what a lot of people said about Jokic after he won his second MVP last season lol just insane.
AleksandarN wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?
Nah definitely not isolated. He’s having he greatest offensive 3 season stretch in the history of the league.
Potentially the greatest 3 year stretch of anyone too.
But yeah like Curry 2016 at the moment he deserves a unanimous mvp as his 3rd in a row.
No he isn’t. 3 year stretch would be 3 chips. So not the greatest three year stretch
AleksandarN wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?
Nah definitely not isolated. He’s having he greatest offensive 3 season stretch in the history of the league.
Potentially the greatest 3 year stretch of anyone too.
But yeah like Curry 2016 at the moment he deserves a unanimous mvp as his 3rd in a row.
No he isn’t. 3 year stretch would be 3 chips. So not the greatest three year stretch
1993Playoffs wrote:Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?
Phreak50 wrote:This board changes it's mind retrospectively.
You all hyped the hell out of Westbrook's triple doubles. He was a legend, he was goatbrook and so on.
In a few years when Jokic still hasn't won anything what will you say then?
Young gun 6 wrote:AleksandarN wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:
Nah definitely not isolated. He’s having he greatest offensive 3 season stretch in the history of the league.
Potentially the greatest 3 year stretch of anyone too.
But yeah like Curry 2016 at the moment he deserves a unanimous mvp as his 3rd in a row.
No he isn’t. 3 year stretch would be 3 chips. So not the greatest three year stretch
Very true I forgot it was Robert Horry who had the greatest 3 season peak of any player.
AleksandarN wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:AleksandarN wrote:No he isn’t. 3 year stretch would be 3 chips. So not the greatest three year stretch
Very true I forgot it was Robert Horry who had the greatest 3 season peak of any player.
Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him.
Raps in 4 wrote:AleksandarN wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:
Very true I forgot it was Robert Horry who had the greatest 3 season peak of any player.
Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him.
He's already on track for a top-15 all-time career even without a ring. Rings would vault him into top-10 territory.
I hope the Nuggets don't let him down. I'm not a huge fan of their current roster construction, and they don't have a ton of flexibility. But we'll see what happens.
Bornstellar wrote:eyeatoma wrote:IMO wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s. True carry job.
Westbrook USG% in 2017: 41.7
Jokic USG% in 2023: 27.6
Westbrook absolutely dominated the ball for OKC in 2017 vs Jokic this season for Denver and literally had the highest USG% of ALL TIME. By comparison, Jokic's USG% this season doesnt even crack the top 250 individual seasons ever.
Frank Dux wrote:You almost have to laugh at how absurd his averages are.
Lockdown504090 wrote:Bornstellar wrote:eyeatoma wrote:IMO wesbtrook was more impressive. Much more inefficient, but for guard to average that, and 31 ppg. He was also hitting more 3s. True carry job.
Westbrook USG% in 2017: 41.7
Jokic USG% in 2023: 27.6
Westbrook absolutely dominated the ball for OKC in 2017 vs Jokic this season for Denver and literally had the highest USG% of ALL TIME. By comparison, Jokic's USG% this season doesnt even crack the top 250 individual seasons ever.
thats one way of looking at it. Theres time of possession which isnt very high either, which is interesting as well since hes not a guard and still drops these dimes. but, nikola jokic has the recorded record for average touches per game by quite a lot,so lets not act like he doesnt have the ball as much as harden russ or whoever else you want to compare him to.
eyeatoma wrote:Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.KGtabake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?
Oh wait...
You can't hold yourself, do you?
You don't like him, you'll never acknowledge his quality, so why bother commenting lol
Everybody know that you won't say something positive.
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KGtabake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.KGtabake wrote:
You can't hold yourself, do you?
You don't like him, you'll never acknowledge his quality, so why bother commenting lol
Everybody know that you won't say something positive.
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No we're not all doing it with Embiid.
Unless you and your partner in making the Sixers unlikeable (HussienFatal) start posting crap all the time about Jokic.
Jokic makes the allnba 1st team? You and your partner start talking s**t about him.
Jokic gets the MVP? Same crap by both of you.
Like you're doing on an appreciation thread like that one.
It's like Jokic should feel bad because you two don't know how to lose.
It's like we should be forced to gift Embiid the MVP, an allnba 1st team spot, even an all-star meaningless start. Just for you two to feel nice and stop s*****g on others because you don't like the results.
eyeatoma wrote:KGtabake wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.
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No we're not all doing it with Embiid.
Unless you and your partner in making the Sixers unlikeable (HussienFatal) start posting crap all the time about Jokic.
Jokic makes the allnba 1st team? You and your partner start talking s**t about him.
Jokic gets the MVP? Same crap by both of you.
Like you're doing on an appreciation thread like that one.
It's like Jokic should feel bad because you two don't know how to lose.
It's like we should be forced to gift Embiid the MVP, an allnba 1st team spot, even an all-star meaningless start. Just for you two to feel nice and stop s*****g on others because you don't like the results.
Me and my partner lol? Okay buddy. Plenty of Embiid fans on the GB who support my takes. You try to generalize and make it seem like it's just me and Hussein. Anyways, I'm out, this conversation is pointless.