Trade deadline thread

[bstein14]

According to defensive rating, Diallo and Duren our our two best defenders and Bojan and CoJo are our worst.

According to TPA (nbamath.com), Defensive Points Saved Diallo and Livers are our two best defenders and Bojan and Ivey our our two worst ( a few weeks ago it was Bey next to Bojan at the bottom but either Bey has gotten better or Ivey has gotten worse).

According to Defensive Box +/- Diallo is our best defender followed by Hayes, Livers, and Duren. Bojan is our worst and Ivey is our 2nd worst.

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One of the interesting things this season is Stewart hasn't been as good defensively. All the advanced metrics previously had him as a good defender in his first two years but now he's closer to average or even a bit below average according to the advanced metrics.

Of course all these metrics are flawed in some way or another, but with every one of them listing Diallo as our best defender this season that is pretty telling. Obviously Bojan being our worst passes the eye test as well I'm surprised we put him on Luka last game.

[zeebneeb]

According to defensive rating, Diallo and Duren our our two best defenders and Bojan and CoJo are our worst.

According to TPA (nbamath.com), Defensive Points Saved Diallo and Livers are our two best defenders and Bojan and Ivey our our two worst ( a few weeks ago it was Bey next to Bojan at the bottom but either Bey has gotten better or Ivey has gotten worse).

According to Defensive Box +/- Diallo is our best defender followed by Hayes, Livers, and Duren. Bojan is our worst and Ivey is our 2nd worst.

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One of the interesting things this season is Stewart hasn't been as good defensively. All the advanced metrics previously had him as a good defender in his first two years but now he's closer to average or even a bit below average according to the advanced metrics.

Of course all these metrics are flawed in some way or another, but with every one of them listing Diallo as our best defender this season that is pretty telling. Obviously Bojan being our worst passes the eye test as well I'm surprised we put him on Luka last game.

I have seen a whole bunch of metrics on defense, and Ivey is almost always the worst, followed by Bey. Don't get me wrong, Bojan is on that list, but he's slightly better.

[Cowology]

According to defensive rating, Diallo and Duren our our two best defenders and Bojan and CoJo are our worst.

According to TPA (nbamath.com), Defensive Points Saved Diallo and Livers are our two best defenders and Bojan and Ivey our our two worst ( a few weeks ago it was Bey next to Bojan at the bottom but either Bey has gotten better or Ivey has gotten worse).

According to Defensive Box +/- Diallo is our best defender followed by Hayes, Livers, and Duren. Bojan is our worst and Ivey is our 2nd worst.

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One of the interesting things this season is Stewart hasn't been as good defensively. All the advanced metrics previously had him as a good defender in his first two years but now he's closer to average or even a bit below average according to the advanced metrics.

Of course all these metrics are flawed in some way or another, but with every one of them listing Diallo as our best defender this season that is pretty telling. Obviously Bojan being our worst passes the eye test as well I'm surprised we put him on Luka last game.

Good stuff. Pretty much aligns/validates with the eye test.

BeefStew is in a different role this year, but I wouldn't have expected a regression. It may have more to do with the quality of player at that position. I mean, there aren't that many dominant C's. Obviously you have your Jokers & Embiid's, but then it's a bit of a drop off.

When you look at Forwards the league is stacked with capable scorers. No ez games. Or at least that's my working theory here. Stiffer competition.

[zeebneeb]

When looking at defensive raptor(Draptor), the Pistons have out of 250 players;

244.- Jaden Ivey

244.- Bojan Bogdonovich

234.- Saddiq Bey

This is why the Pistons defense is so damn bad, and why Casey is a horrendous coach. He has access to all of these stats, but doesn't utilize them, just as he didn't in Toronto, and played the worst statistical lineup that team had.

That is why he got fired.

I give Ivey a pass, because he is a rookie, but anyone can look at the eye test, and he is LOST.

[bstein14]

According to defensive rating, Diallo and Duren our our two best defenders and Bojan and CoJo are our worst.

According to TPA (nbamath.com), Defensive Points Saved Diallo and Livers are our two best defenders and Bojan and Ivey our our two worst ( a few weeks ago it was Bey next to Bojan at the bottom but either Bey has gotten better or Ivey has gotten worse).

According to Defensive Box +/- Diallo is our best defender followed by Hayes, Livers, and Duren. Bojan is our worst and Ivey is our 2nd worst.

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One of the interesting things this season is Stewart hasn't been as good defensively. All the advanced metrics previously had him as a good defender in his first two years but now he's closer to average or even a bit below average according to the advanced metrics.

Of course all these metrics are flawed in some way or another, but with every one of them listing Diallo as our best defender this season that is pretty telling. Obviously Bojan being our worst passes the eye test as well I'm surprised we put him on Luka last game.

Good stuff. Pretty much aligns/validates with the eye test.

BeefStew is in a different role this year, but I wouldn't have expected a regression. It may have more to do with the quality of player at that position. I mean, there aren't that many dominant C's. Obviously you have your Jokers & Embiid's, but then it's a bit of a drop off.

When you look at Forwards the league is stacked with capable scorers. No ez games. Or at least that's my working theory here. Stiffer competition.

That's a very valid point, if he was mostly playing against opposing centers in the past he also was on weaker players and able to play a bit more helpside. Playing against 4s in this league means he's got guys that are much more capable and we've seen him be ok stepping out and defending on the perimeter, but its not like he's as capable as more agile athletic wings.

[Cowology]

Exactly

[mattao313]

Yeah, now is not the time to be trading defense for offense. This team could use a couple of players who maybe can't score for beans but can defend like a mofo. Lord knows the team already has enough guys who can score like a mofo and can't defend for beans.

We don't have either. This team sucks on offense and defense

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This team doesn’t have guys who can score but can’t play a lick of defense? Like Bojan, Bey, and Knox?

Bojan is the only one bey is not an efficient scorer. Knox barely plays. Our defense and offense is bottom of the barrel.

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[Cowology]

I tend to think this is the best version of Bojan we will ever see. He ain't getting any younger and Cade/Ivey will push him back down the pecking order. That may make his lack of defense even more of a liability.

I said it the other day, but I think I'd rather keep Burks and cash-in on Bogey. He can help somebody.

[mattao313]

I tend to think this is the best version of Bojan we will ever see. He ain't getting any younger and Cade/Ivey will push him back down the pecking order. That may make his lack of defense even more of a liability.

I said it the other day, but I think I'd rather keep Burks and cash-in on Bogey. He can help somebody.

Just like Grant I'm not fond of high usage guys that don't playmake but he can definitely help a playoff team, but a lot of us overrated him. He's a liability on defense and isn't gonna get the same freedom on those teams. In all honesty he should be a 6th man type.

If he was traded today I don't think we'd be any worse. He's a good scorer but he doesn't make guys around him better and is really bad on defense.

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[russkopp]

Marc Stein (on his substack) apparently reports the pistons are telling teams bogey isn’t being traded even saying an unprotected 1st no longer gets a deal done. Yikes.

[Kilo]

An unprotected FRP in 2023 draft is only being offered, if at all, by sure shot contender teams, so the pick is 24+, and Detroit probably picks 32nd overall with their SRP anyways. The player pool from that late FRP to our SRP would be one in the same.

[buzzkilloton]

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[Manocad]

We don't have either. This team sucks on offense and defense

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This team doesn’t have guys who can score but can’t play a lick of defense? Like Bojan, Bey, and Knox?

Bojan is the only one bey is not an efficient scorer. Knox barely plays. Our defense and offense is bottom of the barrel.

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I never said any of them were efficient scorers. But to your point, no, the Pistons' offense is not bottom of the barrel; they're 22nd in the league which is nothing great obviously, but their defense is 29th.

The point still remains. Swapping a good defensive/bad offensive player for a good offensive/bad defensive player doesn't help this team in any way whatsoever.

[Canadafan]

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Perfectttt....so that means we trading him for an established younger guy to add to our core. No going backwards with another draft pick. Fantastic news

[Manocad]

Totally understandable. While Bojan absolutely sucks on defense he is a guaranteed scorer, knows the game, and is exactly the type of vet presence just about any team can use. Like I said when he got extended, I don't think Weaver extended him with plans to get rid of him. No draft pick is a guaranteed hit and the idea that a team can win a championship with a starting lineup of players all 23 years old or younger is ludicrous; it's never happened in the history of the league for very logical reasons.

[buzzkilloton]

Weaver is at that point in his tenure where future picks have no value to him. He knows at this rate he will be canned in two seasons no point in stocking the next GMs bags.

Riding the Bojan bag to zero like his job depends on it!

[440BB]

Removing Bojan from this deadline market increases the value of available veteran scorers. Alec Burks, healthy for now, may get more interest.

Hoping for a ridiculous offer from a desperate contender but that's a slim chance. At least with Bojan and Alec's contracts they'll retain most of their value for off season deals IF healthy.

[NYPiston]

Weaver is at that point in his tenure where future picks have no value to him. He knows at this rate he will be canned in two seasons no point in stocking the next GMs bags.

Riding the Bojan bag to zero like his job depends on it!

I bet there's some pressure starting to be applied from up top to expedite the process so I have a feeling that we're going to see more player than pick acquisitions going forward which I'm honestly fine with because I'm also fed up with the losing and am hoping that they go into this offseason with a mindset towards fielding a winning roster next season.

My issue with Bogey is that I'm not sure how much of a fit he is on a team that really struggles to defend as is. It's true that the Pistons need his efficient scoring but I'm not sure how much value he has on a team that's not a contender and likely won't be a contender next season either. I feel the same about Bey actually, I'm not sure where he fits as a starter on this team even moreso than Bogey because he has the same defensive issues but comes with less efficient offense.

My general point is that I hope Weaver isn't planning on Bogey being a high minutes starter next season and, therefore, blocking them from adding a wing player that fits better.
With that said, a very late 1st (protection is irrelevant from a contender) isn't really that appealing so I can understand why Weaver would be reluctant but, then again, he turned what was likely going to be a late 2025 1st into Duren so I guess it would be nice to have a trade piece.

Burks is a guy that should be traded. How many high volume, weak defensively chuckers are they planning on having on the team next season? Two in Bogey and Bey is enough, I don't know if I could stomach three.

[coolness]

Gores will evaluate Weaver on all things considered. If Weaver miraculously turned us into OKC of last year, he could not lose his job.

[SuperBad]

Move Burke and Bey keep Bogey for future moves, give Diallo all the run he can. I would be fine with future draft picks. We could use them in a future deal for another star.