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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1101 » by JJ From Deep » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:28 pm

Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.

What's the point of waiting if he's unhappy and the market for him right now is the hottest it'll ever be?
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1102 » by anotherhomer » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:28 pm

JJ From Deep wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.

What's the point of waiting if he's unhappy and the market for him right now is the hottest it'll ever be?


I think they keeping GTJ potentially...
i like to keep FVV, but i'm not sure if FVV and Barnes can work out their issues
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1103 » by Jadoogar » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:29 pm

i think that Warriors pick the Grizzlies own could be very juicy and should be included in any trade with the Grizz. Draymond could leave and even with a full team this year, they have been much worse than expected.

Zaire Williams could be the young prospect involved and grizz have enough matching salary in Brooks or Green.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1104 » by Jadoogar » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:30 pm

JJ From Deep wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.

What's the point of waiting if he's unhappy and the market for him right now is the hottest it'll ever be?


I think OG's value will decline in the summer because you're only guaranteed 1 playoff run with him. A contender trading for him now would get 2 playoff runs. Siakam is a different situation because he's such a major player and piece to fit in so offseason makes more sense but OG is plug and play who would fit on basically any team.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1105 » by traps#10 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:31 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:We better be getting 3 pt shooting back because losing Fred and OG, we would probably have the worst 3pt shooting team of all time.


If we somehow net a young prospect who can shoot, great! But honestly the focus of this team should be just developing and play the younger guys after the trade deadline. Don’t worry about the Win-Lose column and just watch players develop within time on the court with playing time. We can address those issues during the off-season and draft.
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Post#1106 » by sidsid » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:32 pm

Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


We don't know what the talks are like behind the scenes, but if a commitment to the vision by Masai and jettisoning Fred is enough to change things around, you can def go that route.

That being said, if you can get 75% of the Gobert trade, you do the trade regardless. There's a limit to how important OG is going forward, and a chance at a Nets/Celtics style return would be it.

Not for this Cam Johnson undefined 2 picks garbage, though.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1107 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:34 pm

JJ From Deep wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.

What's the point of waiting if he's unhappy and the market for him right now is the hottest it'll ever be?


Other players will become available during the summer. More options.

We still have time. It's not like he has a PO.
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Post#1108 » by Psubs » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:35 pm

Swag wrote:
JJ From Deep wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.

What's the point of waiting if he's unhappy and the market for him right now is the hottest it'll ever be?


Other players will become available during the summer. More options.

We still have time. It's not like he has a PO.


I could see a team that has the #3 or #4 pick trade it for OG. :nod:
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1109 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:36 pm

sidsid wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


We don't know what the talks are like behind the scenes, but if a commitment to the vision by Masai and jettisoning Fred is enough to change things around, you can def go that route.

That being said, if you can get 75% of the Gobert trade, you do the trade regardless. There's a limit to how important OG is going forward, and a chance at a Nets/Celtics style return would be it.

Not for this Cam Johnson undefined 2 picks garbage, though.


More GM jobs may come under risk entering next season which may prompt better options to become available during the summer.

I'm not bending a knee to Klutch if I'm not getting a Gobert value at the deadline.
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Post#1110 » by StopitLeo » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:36 pm

Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


It ultimately depends on what's being offered. I think a team would prefer two playoff runs with OG rather than one. There's so much parity in the league now (not necessarily in terms of true contenders, but definitely in terms of good teams) that OG could be a real difference maker on several playoff teams.

I really hope the team can move Fred in order to avoid having to deal with his contract completely and get some player/draft assets back. We already have Scottie ready to take over primary PG duties so its not like trading him creates a roster gap.

GTJ is probably worth re-signing if a reasonable deal can be found. He's still young and has shown incremental improvements every year. Consistency is something that comes with time.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1111 » by mademan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:40 pm

Swag wrote:
sidsid wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


We don't know what the talks are like behind the scenes, but if a commitment to the vision by Masai and jettisoning Fred is enough to change things around, you can def go that route.

That being said, if you can get 75% of the Gobert trade, you do the trade regardless. There's a limit to how important OG is going forward, and a chance at a Nets/Celtics style return would be it.

Not for this Cam Johnson undefined 2 picks garbage, though.


More GM jobs may come under risk entering next season which may prompt better options to become available during the summer.

I'm not bending a knee to Klutch if I'm not getting a Gobert value at the deadline.


OG going to a team like NOP or MEM gives them legit 2 shots at a title over the coming years until he hits FA. 1 shot at a title isnt as exciting. more players may be available, but the motivation for the teams change as well
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1112 » by Swag » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:42 pm

mademan wrote:
Swag wrote:
sidsid wrote:
We don't know what the talks are like behind the scenes, but if a commitment to the vision by Masai and jettisoning Fred is enough to change things around, you can def go that route.

That being said, if you can get 75% of the Gobert trade, you do the trade regardless. There's a limit to how important OG is going forward, and a chance at a Nets/Celtics style return would be it.

Not for this Cam Johnson undefined 2 picks garbage, though.


More GM jobs may come under risk entering next season which may prompt better options to become available during the summer.

I'm not bending a knee to Klutch if I'm not getting a Gobert value at the deadline.


OG going to a team like NOP or MEM gives them legit 2 shots at a title over the coming years until he hits FA. 1 shot at a title isnt as exciting. more players may be available, but the motivation for the teams change as well


I would think whoever trades for him needs to be prepared to offer him Max (or close to it).

He will be there long-term.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II 

Post#1113 » by mademan » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:48 pm

Swag wrote:
mademan wrote:
Swag wrote:
More GM jobs may come under risk entering next season which may prompt better options to become available during the summer.

I'm not bending a knee to Klutch if I'm not getting a Gobert value at the deadline.


OG going to a team like NOP or MEM gives them legit 2 shots at a title over the coming years until he hits FA. 1 shot at a title isnt as exciting. more players may be available, but the motivation for the teams change as well


I would think whoever trades for him needs to be prepared to offer him Max (or close to it).

He will be there long-term.


A cheap playoff run with him is worth a lot. The second you pay him (if its a lot of money) then you gotta start making decisions of he surrounding roster unless youre Balmer

I just have no idea how 1 playoff run with him under contract can be worth more than 2
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Post#1114 » by baller16 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:51 pm

Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


That would be a mistake. The reason why so many contenders are bidding for him is because they need him NOW for this year's playoff run. If you get an overpay package from a team you take it and run.
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Post#1115 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:59 pm

baller16 wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


That would be a mistake. The reason why so many contenders are bidding for him is because they need him NOW for this year's playoff run. If you get an overpay package from a team you take it and run.


Obviously if you get an overpay package at any time you make the deal. Waiting until the draft though also opens up more possibilities. Once a player is picked (ie: the Raps telling a team who to pick) he can be traded for OG without the team worrying about the Stepien rule, for example. That opens up more pick options for the Raps.
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Post#1116 » by mrdressup » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:01 pm

In many ways OG wanting out of Toronto makes everything much easier. We can do a proper tear down now. OG and Fred + some of the deadwood on the bench can be moved for significant assets. If you can get quality for Pascal you do that also. Happy times are near. It's going to boil down to what the Pelicans and Grizzlies will offer and who might also want to jump in. Looks like a juicy situation for us. Absolutely take advantage of it. So many teams think they have a shot.
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Post#1117 » by StopitLeo » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:04 pm

mademan wrote:OG going to a team like NOP or MEM gives them legit 2 shots at a title over the coming years until he hits FA. 1 shot at a title isnt as exciting. more players may be available, but the motivation for the teams change as well


This is an important point. There is a certain amount of urgency during the season when a team is performing well and wants to maximize their potential in the playoffs so a team might be willing to give up a bit more.

The fact that teams like NOP and MEM are reportedly interested in OG is a good thing because they both have picks from other teams. For example, in 2024 MEM has their own 1st as well as GSW (5-30); I'd prefer the GSW pick since trading OG to the Grizzlies is likely to make them better next year whereas GSW will probably start to decline. The Pelicans of course have picks and swaps from the Lakers and Bucks.
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Post#1118 » by navyblue » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:05 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
baller16 wrote:
Swag wrote:If we're going to trade OG, I think we should do it during the summer.

We trade Fred now - get some assets.
Maybe move GTJ - get some more assets (although I'd prefer to keep him).

Than revisit the OG / Pascal situation during the summer.


That would be a mistake. The reason why so many contenders are bidding for him is because they need him NOW for this year's playoff run. If you get an overpay package from a team you take it and run.


Obviously if you get an overpay package at any time you make the deal. Waiting until the draft though also opens up more possibilities. Once a player is picked (ie: the Raps telling a team who to pick) he can be traded for OG without the team worrying about the Stepien rule, for example. That opens up more pick options for the Raps.

That only applies to the pelicans really. What other lotto bound teams are going to trade a lotto pick for og with 1 season on deal. Especially with the lotto forward heavy.


Last deadline grant asking was 2 1sts for 1.5 season of him. In the off-season det traded him to Portland for a bucks protected 1st.
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Post#1119 » by mg » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:08 pm

I would normally wait until the draft/offseason to move an asset like OG but this is probably his highest value as he could contribute to 2 playoff runs before hitting FA. If they can snag a Dyson Daniels type prospect as part of the package this might be the best time to pull the trigger esp if OG really wants out.
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Post#1120 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:08 pm

OG is the number 1 player on the Athletic in terms of big trade target for what it’s worth.

Knicks 3 **** FRP looking like the worst deal out there lol

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