Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread II

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #1141 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:48 pm

TOStateofMind wrote:Desperate pelicans team currently in a 9 game losing with the trade deadline looming?

The conditions are ripe for a Masai fleecing

YogurtProducer · Post #1142 » by **YogurtProducer** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 5:52 pm

tanuki1031 wrote:Not even remotely likely to happen but the What If? of Masai telling us all to keep his trade talks out of our **** mouths by dealing OG, FVV, GTJ, AND Siakam at the deadline for a boatload of young promising players (Sharpe, Hart, Murphy, Dyson, Herb, Suggs, Bamba) and FRPs (2023 CHI & 2023 LA as headliners, **** ton of swaps and lightly protected to unprotected FRPs)

It's not like any of those guys have demonstrated they can play with / off Barnes at a better rate than how the skeleton crew of Boucher/Juancho/Boucher/Achiuwa has played with Barnes.

And we'd probably be a 3rd/4th seed the season immediately after HOOOO MAAAAAN

3rd or 4th pick. Not a chance that team makes the playoffs next year or even 2025 tbh. Young talent takes time

KillaSham23 · Post #1143 » by **KillaSham23** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:01 pm

Fred for ayton
Og for Daniels, naji, Graham, 1st
Keep Trent or to nyk for quickley/grimes and toppin.
Pg Scottie
Sg Trent/quickley or grimes
Sf Daniels
Pf pascal
C ayton
Bench - precious, naji, Graham, koloko, our 2 picks. Solid team.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1144 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:01 pm

why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or at least Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

JJ From Deep · Post #1145 » by **JJ From Deep** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:03 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:Is there actual truth behind us getting Dyson or yall just throwing stuff out there just to be disappointed?

There's no way there would be any traction on a potential offer from NOP without him being a centrepiece of it. Just wouldn't make sense so it's more that it's implied logic rather than a reported fact.

Tor_Raps · Post #1146 » by **Tor_Raps** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:05 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

OG/Flynn for Murphy/Daniels/Graham would be a dream.

KillaSham23 · Post #1147 » by **KillaSham23** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:05 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or at least Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

He had 14 8 9 against the raps when they played. He's 19 and looks like he could put it all together

StopitLeo · Post #1148 » by **StopitLeo** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:11 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or at least Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

Part of the reason, IMO, is that if we look at the Pelicans' best prospects you have Herb, Murphy, and Daniels. The Pelicans are unlikely to trade both Herb and Murphy as they are rotation guys playing 28 mpg. If you're looking to get two prospects for OG that means a trade would have to include Daniels and one of Herb/Murphy.

mtcan · Post #1149 » by **mtcan** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:12 pm

KillaSham23 wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or at least Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

He had 14 8 9 against the raps when they played. He's 19 and looks like he could put it all together

I'm seeing people down on 19 year old rookies taken high in the draft and not seeing the potential. Dyson has potential to be a jack-of-all-trades kind of guy and I would be interested. Just like how people are writing off Shaedon Sharpe as a Gerald Green clone at 19 years old despite him having an NBA ready 3 point shot, loads of athleticism and having had some nice 20+ point performances in Dame's absence.

bballsparkin · Post #1150 » by **bballsparkin** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:15 pm

mtcan wrote:I'm reading into that IG post from yesterday as a message to Phoenix management that Fred wants to be in Phoenix and would want to resign long term as well...so be willing to give up the players and picks needed to make it happen.

Hmm, I never thought of that. That's kinda smart of Fred if so. As to your question Fred and Thad for Ayton? Heck yes. I doubt the Suns do that though and I wouldn't include any picks. Maybe a future 2nd hah.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1151 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:16 pm

mtcan wrote:
KillaSham23 wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:why are people so high on Dyson? I wouldn't mind him as part of a package, but I feel like the Pelicans have to include that Lakers pick or at least Murphy if we're sending O.G. their way.

He had 14 8 9 against the raps when they played. He's 19 and looks like he could put it all together

I'm seeing people down on 19 year old rookies taken high in the draft and not seeing the potential. Dyson has potential to be a jack-of-all-trades kind of guy and I would be interested. Just like how people are writing off Shaedon Sharpe as a Gerald Green clone at 19 years old despite him having an NBA ready 3 point shot, loads of athleticism and having had some nice 20+ point performances in Dame's absence.

The Raptors also interviewed Daniels at the draft. Not sure about Sharpe. Sharpe's got some of that Kelly Oubre fogginess to his game that I don't like at all, whereas Daniels is super present and a gamer. Daniels potential conflicts with point Scottie, but maybe point Scottie isn't a thing?

Michael Jordan · Post #1152 » by **Michael Jordan** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:24 pm

The reason why this team sucks is because the back-court has performed trash all season - mainly Fred.

It would suck to see OG moved while Freddy gets to stay and potentially signs for 25M/year.

Raptors Realtor · Post #1153 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:29 pm

Michael Jordan wrote:The reason why this team sucks is because the back-court has performed trash all season - mainly Fred.

It would suck to see OG moved while Freddy gets to stay and potentially signs for 25M/year.

Disagree... This has less to do with the starting rotation and more to do with the fact that we have no bench and lack 3pt shooting.

OakleyDokely · Post #1154 » by **OakleyDokely** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:29 pm

Best case for Dyson Daniels is he's a mix of Giddey/Haliburton. He can fill the stat sheet like those 2 and he's a determined defender, but he will probably never be the playmaker those 2 are, which is okay if he's sharing those duties with Scottie.

mtcan · Post #1155 » by **mtcan** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:30 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
mtcan wrote:
KillaSham23 wrote:
He had 14 8 9 against the raps when they played. He's 19 and looks like he could put it all together

I'm seeing people down on 19 year old rookies taken high in the draft and not seeing the potential. Dyson has potential to be a jack-of-all-trades kind of guy and I would be interested. Just like how people are writing off Shaedon Sharpe as a Gerald Green clone at 19 years old despite him having an NBA ready 3 point shot, loads of athleticism and having had some nice 20+ point performances in Dame's absence.

The Raptors also interviewed Daniels at the draft. Not sure about Sharpe. Sharpe's got some of that Kelly Oubre fogginess to his game that I don't like at all, whereas Daniels is super present and a gamer. Daniels potential conflicts with point Scottie, but maybe point Scottie isn't a thing?

Hard to make any definitive conclusions on 19 year olds. They are a calendar year younger than guys like Paolo Banchero and Chet Holmgren...and those guys were drafted after a freshman season in college.

Both Sharpe and Daniels turn 20 this year...so this would be their freshman year had they gone to college.

You can only judge them based on their physical tools and natural abilities as 19 year old rookies. You hope they mature and develop their approach and attitude with time. But ya...these guys were among the youngest prospects taken in the lottery.

They are like Tracy McGrady...coming in at 18/19...being the youngest in their draft class.

GM89 · Post #1156 » by **GM89** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:32 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:The Raptors also interviewed Daniels at the draft. Not sure about Sharpe. Sharpe's got some of that Kelly Oubre fogginess to his game that I don't like at all, whereas Daniels is super present and a gamer. Daniels potential conflicts with point Scottie, but maybe point Scottie isn't a thing?

If they both play smart and unselfish then they can just pass to each other when they get to their spots. If we got Daniels he would automatically become bench mob general.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1157 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:33 pm

NO would be stupid to trade the "higher" of LA or their 23' pick. So I'd expect it to be the "lesser"

Masai isn't giving up OG for anything less than a haul. You need any Trey included else forget it. I'm not doing DD plus lesser pick - that's not enough

bballsparkin · Post #1158 » by **bballsparkin** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:39 pm

Oakvillehoops wrote:The perk to tanking and trading away everyone now, is that we would get so much for the combination of OG, FVV and Siakam, plus our lottery pick; that there would be zero excuse not to be a playoff team again next year. Even with young guys and a few rookies

It's also more enjoyable watching a team that is mostly young and up and coming versus one that is full of players that are mostly established at this point. Need NN to cut down his crazy minutes in this scenario.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1159 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:43 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:NO would be stupid to trade the "higher" of LA or their 23' pick. So I'd expect it to be the "lesser"

Masai isn't giving up OG for anything less than a haul. You need any Trey included else forget it. I'm not doing DD plus lesser pick - that's not enough

the 2023 pick is a swap, so LA is still getting the crappier pick with the Pelicans getting the nicer pick. NO probably still needs to give up that pick if they want O.G. imo (or else Trey+DD+future draft compensation, or I suppose Ingram only if they actually wanted to do that, but I doubt it).

Los_29 · Post #1160 » by **Los_29** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:44 pm

Michael Jordan wrote:The reason why this team sucks is because the back-court has performed trash all season - mainly Fred.

It would suck to see OG moved while Freddy gets to stay and potentially signs for 25M/year.

GTJ has actually performed quite well this year. Fred's horrible start didn't help but he's been great over the past month. The lack of bench production has hurt us and Scottie and Fred's poor starts were a huge disappointment. I don't like to play the blame game because there are a lot of people to blame, but if you had to choose, they would be at the top of the list.