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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#281 » by jonbob17 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 5:38 pm

drsd wrote:
eyriq wrote:Let's say the season plays out as projected, and the lottery has no surprises. We have picks 5 & 7. I suspect we see a backcourt teardown and rebuild through the draft, free agency, and trades. FVV still makes a ton of sense in this scenario. If we make the play-in though I think blowing up the backcourt becomes less probable.

My heart tells me our backcourt is fine and will continue to improve organically, my mind tells me we have a wealth of assets and flexibility and a glaring need to rebuild the backcourt to better compliment our front court.


It is interesting that there are 4 horrible teams (20-29%), Orlando (30s), then 8 teams that are sub-50% but in the 40s. Orlando is on course to leave this "collection" of teams it occupies alone (there is no other team winning between 30-39% of its games except Orlando). 40% here we come !!!!!


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That's probably a huge mistake....leaving isolated record, and the FO probably would love for a way to maintain current standings. The only way to maintain record is to ship some guys that help winning out. We saw how bad we were with out guard play early on...but if we trade our guards who do we have next year....I am pretty sure this teams feistiness is giving management fits.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#282 » by The-Stallion70 » Wed Feb 1, 2023 5:43 pm

Let's goooooooooooooo!!!!!
California Gold wrote:This is extra because people hate the Lakers and their brand so much.

This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#283 » by KillMonger » Wed Feb 1, 2023 11:18 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:Let's goooooooooooooo!!!!!
Let's not go...... Just yet

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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#284 » by The-Stallion70 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 1:20 am

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The-Stallion70 wrote:Let's goooooooooooooo!!!!!
Let's not go...... Just yet

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You are wrong, acquiring an offensively skilled point guard like Vanvleet could be just what our young guns need to develop. Markelle is a great glue guy but the lack of spacing is problematic. Cole is a 6th man, Suggs is a defender. We need a stud point.
California Gold wrote:This is extra because people hate the Lakers and their brand so much.

This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#285 » by Knightro » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:30 am

VanVleet tonight...

34 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 12-25 FG, 4-9 3PT, 6-6 FT.

But the Raptors lost again to drop to 2-3 on their 7-game roadtrip and 23-30 overall.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#286 » by MasterGMer » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:38 am

Clippers is closely watching Fred Vanfleet now. They need a PG.

VanFleet will solve our guard logjam. But are we willing to offer him 4 year/ 130M contract? idk

Who should we give up for him if Magic wants to acquire him in trade before deadline?
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#287 » by drsd » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:53 am

MasterGMer wrote:Clippers is closely watching Fred Vanfleet now. They need a PG.

VanFleet will solve our guard logjam. But are we willing to offer him 4 year/ 130M contract? idk

Who should we give up for him if Magic wants to acquire him in trade before deadline?


That question is more about the Raptors aspirations to make the play-ins vs. "player development".

In scenario #1, it might be Ross (or G-Harris) and the Denver pick.

In scenario #2, this is more like Bamba, Okeke, and Hampton.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#288 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 10:49 am

If i'm Bucks GM, i would start looking at potential trades to tweak roster and get bit younger.

Middelton looks bad. Like..: Mario Hezonja level bad. Giannis won't win title on his own.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#289 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 2, 2023 11:32 am

Ross and two seconds for Oubre. We'd have to work out a contract with him first. 4 years $60m would probably get him.

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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#290 » by tiderulz » Thu Feb 2, 2023 1:50 pm

basketballRob wrote:Ross and two seconds for Oubre. We'd have to work out a contract with him first. 4 years $60m would probably get him.

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a small forward that can score, but doesnt pass and cant shoot the 3 ball? and i doubt he would consider $15mil a year
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#291 » by Bakomagic » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:21 pm

pepe1991 wrote:If i'm Bucks GM, i would start looking at potential trades to tweak roster and get bit younger.

Middelton looks bad. Like..: Mario Hezonja level bad. Giannis won't win title on his own.



I would love to get Brook Lopez, can space the floor and protect the rim, is a veteran winner and knows his role!

Great fit with Franz/Paolo.

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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#292 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 2, 2023 4:53 pm

So if we go for a FVV this year we need to basically get the Raptors to take Fultz +- Cole and one pick this year and possibly the denver pick just to clear up time.

I have no idea how this would work which is why I am just as big a fan of waiting for free agency. This issue currently being how do we get Raptors to agree to take our downgrade in talent to get FVV 32 MPG and still leave room for Suggs without waiving someone.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#293 » by jezzerinho » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:34 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:So if we go for a FVV this year we need to basically get the Raptors to take Fultz +- Cole and one pick this year and possibly the denver pick just to clear up time.

I have no idea how this would work which is why I am just as big a fan of waiting for free agency. This issue currently being how do we get Raptors to agree to take our downgrade in talent to get FVV 32 MPG and still leave room for Suggs without waiving someone.


Don't agree. 3-team deals or parallel deals can get rid of players you want to move to let in players you want to sign.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#294 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:40 pm

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JoshuaPotter wrote:So if we go for a FVV this year we need to basically get the Raptors to take Fultz +- Cole and one pick this year and possibly the denver pick just to clear up time.

I have no idea how this would work which is why I am just as big a fan of waiting for free agency. This issue currently being how do we get Raptors to agree to take our downgrade in talent to get FVV 32 MPG and still leave room for Suggs without waiving someone.


Don't agree. 3-team deals or parallel deals can get rid of players you want to move to let in players you want to sign.


I mean why stop at 3-team deals. Let's do 4...no.....5 team deal......
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#295 » by jezzerinho » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:47 pm

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jezzerinho wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:So if we go for a FVV this year we need to basically get the Raptors to take Fultz +- Cole and one pick this year and possibly the denver pick just to clear up time.

I have no idea how this would work which is why I am just as big a fan of waiting for free agency. This issue currently being how do we get Raptors to agree to take our downgrade in talent to get FVV 32 MPG and still leave room for Suggs without waiving someone.


Don't agree. 3-team deals or parallel deals can get rid of players you want to move to let in players you want to sign.


I mean why stop at 3-team deals. Let's do 4...no.....5 team deal......


It's true. They're not as common as straight 1-to-1 deals, but they happen. And parallel deals happen all the time. There is no need or obligation to try to force a player on Tor that they don't want. That would be totally counterproductive.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#296 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Feb 2, 2023 6:52 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:
Don't agree. 3-team deals or parallel deals can get rid of players you want to move to let in players you want to sign.


I mean why stop at 3-team deals. Let's do 4...no.....5 team deal......


It's true. They're not as common as straight 1-to-1 deals, but they happen. And parallel deals happen all the time. There is no need or obligation to try to force a player on Tor that they don't want. That would be totally counterproductive.


I don't disagree with your assertion. Finding the right team to dance with is probably harder then it sounds to you IMHO. I currently just don't see myself in a rush to give up our assets for a team that healthy could make the play in. I think by now thats a fact.
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Re: Shams: Magic Have Emerged as a Potential Free Agency Destination for Fred VanVleet 

Post#297 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 2, 2023 7:59 pm

If Magic do any deals, it will be with at least 2 other teams. I don't see any single- suitor trade aveliable and beneficial for both parties.

Especially Raptors related trades
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