2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Slim Charless]

I can't exactly understand why you are so high on Achiuwa. He is 6'8 so not exactly a guy you want playing C, and at PF he would be ok, but not nearly as good as Cam and can't shoot the 3. And do you really think FVV and Trent JR are worth $55 million? Trent wouldn't even start.

Because your criticism of height is ostensibly irrelevant when in the context of what I've actually been saying:

I want Achiuwa AS PART OF A DEAL as a replacement for Ayton IF WE DO A DEAL WITH TORONTO INVOLVING AYTON. He is 6'8" switchable for perimeter play in the playoffs. If we are outsized, we have bigger bodies like Biyombo or Landale meaning we still keep some level of defensive versatility in terms of height when we lose Ayton's 7'1" frame.

No offense and I'm not speaking to anyone in particular when I say for the love of god people please stop taking other posters out of context especially when talking about other players. "Why are you so high on Achiuwa?" as if there isn't a adequate amount of qualifiers I've used EVERY SINGLE TIME I've posted about a trade with Toronto.

In one single trade you've acquired: a PG for next season, a scorer off the bench we desperately need, and a rotation-level replacement for Ayton

please please **** tell me how this is us getting beat in a trade

I did make an assumption there that Achiuwa was the reason you thought it would be highway robbery (and thought you said you loved him) given that GT Jr would be a vastly overpaid backup guard, and FVV is a below avg PG this season who is 5'10 and would be vastly overpaid.

I think in a nutshell if you just ignore the cap/tax completely it's a decent trade, but I think we'd be very exposed at C and get crushed on the boards. There is also far from a guarantee that we will have Biyombo next year. He is making the minimum and perhaps playing good enough that a team could offer him more than we can.

We wouldn't really have an avenue to get a decent C. There is a reason the Raptors desperately want one...even though they have Pascal, Precious, Boucher, etc.

BW, I'm just happy you haven't suggested we trade for Peotl again. Thank you for that.

In all seriousness they need to do something. I know you listen to Zach Lowe. Did you hear his podcast this week with Tim Mcmahon, where they both essentially said that JJ is GMing for his job?

That is VERY interesting. Both of those guys have sources and could be wild if true

[Slim Charless]

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Looks like we might get outbid anyways. We don't have nearly the assests those teams do. The homers can rejoice.

Sad face.

[dremill24]

Hmm...how many/which picks does it take to swap Ayton, Payne, Saric (or Crowder) for Van Vleet, Anunoby, Young?

I dont know how much I like it but I think I could see something of the sort, given the different reporting out there. Might be more of a summer move.

[sunsbum]

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Looks like we might get outbid anyways. We don't have nearly the assests those teams do. The homers can rejoice.

Sad face.

What are either of those teams going to offer that's better than Ayton?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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It would really suck IF the Mavs were somehow able to get Lowry for some package around Finney Smith! Then they'd be even more frustrating to play against.

[Azsports77]

Right the Memphis grizzlies and the pelicans draft picks would be worthless mainly because they have a lot of talent they are only going to get better . Second Bobby Marks mentioned players that would be involved for both teams and none for either team could hold Cam Johnson’s jockstrap lol. I don’t think if the Raptors trade OG that either the Memphis or New Orleans will get him just my opinion though.

[sunskerr]

I did make an assumption there that Achiuwa was the reason you thought it would be highway robbery (and thought you said you loved him) given that GT Jr would be a vastly overpaid backup guard, and FVV is a below avg PG this season who is 5'10 and would be vastly overpaid.

I think in a nutshell if you just ignore the cap/tax completely it's a decent trade, but I think we'd be very exposed at C and get crushed on the boards. There is also far from a guarantee that we will have Biyombo next year. He is making the minimum and perhaps playing good enough that a team could offer him more than we can.

We wouldn't really have an avenue to get a decent C. There is a reason the Raptors desperately want one...even though they have Pascal, Precious, Boucher, etc.

BW, I'm just happy you haven't suggested we trade for Peotl again. Thank you for that.

In all seriousness they need to do something. I know you listen to Zach Lowe. Did you hear his podcast this week with Tim Mcmahon, where they both essentially said that JJ is GMing for his job?

That is VERY interesting. Both of those guys have sources and could be wild if true

Look sorry for getting angry first of all. I've just been getting really annoyed at a lot of the posts here that either say Ayton sucks or Ayton is secretly incredible. I think it is clear that he is a good role player with great physical attributes and defensive potential. And I am guessing that is where most other FOs value him at

It's hard but every time we have these discussions we have to stick to facts about who Ayton is as a player. I don't want to weigh his value as if he is a star but I don't want to weigh him as worthless here. We also have to respect the evaluation of other front offices and even other teams' fans (because they may have a better vibe on their own FO, but also it can temper our own evaluations).

I do think we make a natural trade partner for Toronto as it looks like they are indeed really interested in Ayton. And if we do trade Ayton without giving up picks I think we can easily acquire a starting center for picks from another team if you're that concerned about Achiuwa's height.

[Jdiddy701]

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It would really suck IF the Mavs were somehow able to get Lowry for some package around Finney Smith! Then they'd be even more frustrating to play against.

Lowry is terrible. The only team where he can maybe help is the Clippers. Trading DFS for Lowry would be such a bad trade for Dallas.


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[Ghost of Kleine]

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Even though this tweet is made in a sarcastic deriding response to the suns game last night, This clip perfectly illustrates why we should be "ALL IN" on Collins even if to play a role as a defensive /rebounding/weakside rim protection presence for us next to Ayton! These kind of buy low opportunities are rare! And we desperately need to cash in on high upside swings like this one with Collins. He can always continue to rehabilitate his offense on the side while providing a more dominant and more athletic/energetic paint presence we've been missing in our frontcourt. WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE!!!

[Slim Charless]

Right the Memphis grizzlies and the pelicans draft picks would be worthless mainly because they have a lot of talent they are only going to get better . Second Bobby Marks mentioned players that would be involved for both teams and none for either team could hold Cam Johnson’s jockstrap lol. I don’t think if the Raptors trade OG that either the Memphis or New Orleans will get him just my opinion though.

Both front offices, especially the Pels own other team's FRPs. That's why they have more to offer. Also, both teams are stocked full of young players. I think there's too much homerness going on here with CamJo.

I personally think you're wrong. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm the incorrect one and we can get OG for a scraps and protected picks.

[mademan]

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Looks like we might get outbid anyways. We don't have nearly the assests those teams do. The homers can rejoice.

Sad face.

What are either of those teams going to offer that's better than Ayton?

You think the Raps want a 30+ mill C when theyve signalled theyre looking for young talent and picks. Dyson Daniels/Lakers picks/Warriors picks...etc, are what they got, and theyre more attractive to a team in the Raps position with a young strong prospect in Barnes

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Even though this tweet is made in a sarcastic deriding response to the suns game last night, This clip perfectly illustrates why we should be "ALL IN" on Collins even if to play a role as a defensive /rebounding/weakside rim protection presence for us next to Ayton! These kind of buy low opportunities are rare! And we desperately need to cash in on high upside swings like this one with Collins. He can always continue to rehabilitate his offense on the side while providing a more dominant and more athletic/energetic paint presence we've been missing in our frontcourt. WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE!!!

I've never liked his fit next to Ayton (not a good enough floor spacer and both need post touches, neither guy really views themselves as a dirty work player). But hey if the price is cheap from an asset perspective and Mat is cool with going deep in the tax then sure. You can always flip Ayton this summer if it's as awkward of a fit as I think it could be.

I will say some Collins as a small ball 5 with CP running pick and rolls for him could be really fun.

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[sunsfan1o1]

What about…

Ayton to Atlanta
John Collins to Toronto
OG & Capela to Phoenix

Would need some minor tweaks but feel like this is a decent trade for all teams - might need to also give a draft pick to Toronto. Thoughts?


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Toronto says no.
Maybe Ayton to Toronto, Collins and OG to suns and crowder and change to hawks.
But if I’m Phoenix I rather have Ayton.

[Qwigglez]

I don't think Suns will be going after Collins unless the idea is to trade Ayton in the process. I don't think the Suns are looking for a twin towers thing.

[BobbieL]

Right the Memphis grizzlies and the pelicans draft picks would be worthless mainly because they have a lot of talent they are only going to get better . Second Bobby Marks mentioned players that would be involved for both teams and none for either team could hold Cam Johnson’s jockstrap lol. I don’t think if the Raptors trade OG that either the Memphis or New Orleans will get him just my opinion though.

Both front offices, especially the Pels own other team's FRPs. That's why they have more to offer. Also, both teams are stocked full of young players. I think there's too much homerness going on here with CamJo.

I personally think you're wrong. But we'll see. Hopefully I'm the incorrect one and we can get OG for a scraps and protected picks.

I think the Pelicans could make a very good offer for Anunoby. They have their own picks, Laker picks, Bucks picks and some young talent that I think would appeal to the Raptors.

Next week the rumors should get even more hot and heavy and 98% of them won't happen

[sunsbum]

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Looks like we might get outbid anyways. We don't have nearly the assests those teams do. The homers can rejoice.

Sad face.

What are either of those teams going to offer that's better than Ayton?

You think the Raps want a 30+ mill C when theyve signalled theyre looking for young talent and picks. Dyson Daniels/Lakers picks/Warriors picks...etc, are what they got, and theyre more attractive to a team in the Raps position with a young strong prospect in Barnes

oh, I forgot Ayton was old and untalented. Dyson Daniels, of course.

[bwoolf2]

Gross...

This trade is highway robbery for us. Raptors would laugh us off the phone.

I can't exactly understand why you are so high on Achiuwa. He is 6'8 so not exactly a guy you want playing C, and at PF he would be ok, but not nearly as good as Cam and can't shoot the 3. And do you really think FVV and Trent JR are worth $55 million? Trent wouldn't even start.

We would get destroyed in the playoffs, but sure let's build a 2k worthy regular season team of all players undersized for their positions

[sunskerr]

What are either of those teams going to offer that's better than Ayton?

You think the Raps want a 30+ mill C when theyve signalled theyre looking for young talent and picks. Dyson Daniels/Lakers picks/Warriors picks...etc, are what they got, and theyre more attractive to a team in the Raps position with a young strong prospect in Barnes

oh, I forgot Ayton was old and untalented. Dyson Daniels, of course.

But Dyson Daniels could be anything. He could even be another

OG Anunoby

[lilfishi22]

I'll just point out that Ayton was killing it as the #2 next to Booker when CP3 went down. All we need is a solid PF and PG that dont have injury concerns next to our core of Booker, Ayton, and Mikal and a solid bench.

Ayton has never had an elite or even a solid true power forward supporting him yet. The same guys who are criticizing Ayton are always putting haystack-like CamJ next to him. At the same time Booker has one of the best defender(Mikal) in the league and one of the best point guard(CP3) of all time supporting him.

To me if a guy needs specific conditions to be successful that basically eliminates them from me considering them a 'star' player.

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Yep, it's pretty simple

If a guy is good, he's good, period. If he needs this, that and the neighbours cat to be good then maybe he's not as good as you thought.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Looks like we might get outbid anyways. We don't have nearly the assests those teams do. The homers can rejoice.

Sad face.

What are either of those teams going to offer that's better than Ayton?

You think the Raps want a 30+ mill C when theyve signalled theyre looking for young talent and picks. Dyson Daniels/Lakers picks/Warriors picks...etc, are what they got, and theyre more attractive to a team in the Raps position with a young strong prospect in Barnes

I wouldn't take offense to fans who don't want a max salary role playing C. Probably some GMs who agree too. But not all and it only takes one.

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