2023 trade deadline (February 9)

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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#321 » by Dan Z » Thu Feb 2, 2023 10:06 pm

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That can't happen this deadline. Mavs can't trade a treasure trove of picks until the off-season.


They could give up their 2025 pick and beyond, but I don't see why the Jazz would do it. Lauri is an all-star on a good contract and the Jazz already have a lot of future picks.


They can't based on my understanding. The pick has protections on it and only conveys if Mavs picks is outside the top 10. It will surely convey this year, but because the protection is in place and there is possibility that it may not convey, they technically cannot trade 2025 until the pick actually conveys which is in the off-season.

So at this trade deadline, they can't trade the 2025 pick. Additionally, the protection rolls over one more year. So until the pick conveys, not only can they not trade 2025, they also can't trade 2026. Based on the rules, the earliest pick they can trade is 2027.

The pick will surely convey this year barring a season ending Injury to Luka, so this offseason, they can include the 2025 pick in a trade.


I think they can trade the 2025 pick, but if the 2023 doesn't convey that means the pick they traded gets bumped to 2026. At least that's my understanding of the Stepien Rule.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#322 » by Exp0sed » Thu Feb 2, 2023 10:18 pm

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So Wood for Duncan + this year’s first round draft pick, heck we can make it unprotected :D


Lmao I love the audacity. I think Luka wouldn’t be too happy to lose the second best player on the team for Dunc and a draft pick.


Mavs FO is beyond worthless

they traded assets for Wood less than a season ago :banghead:
Wood has played as well as can be expected, also seemed to mesh with Luka and the team

did they think he wasn't gonna try to get paid?
why trade for him if ur not willing to extend him?
it seems like he's not after some huge payday but rather a contract in the vicinity of what he's worth but he wants 4 years and the Mavs are only willing to offer 2

now, since he hasn't been extended they run the risk of losing him for nothing so they're gonna trade him?
and get what exactly? for an expiring waiting\expecting to be paid C. Wood?

just pay the man, morons!
he's still just 27 for the love of god, he's barely played the first half of his career I think he could even get better
he's got size, talent and he's a good shooter and scorer

just give him the 4 years and trade him down the line if\when the need arises
he's still gonna have value when he's 30, on a 100/4 type contract
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#323 » by KingFox » Thu Feb 2, 2023 11:11 pm

Hoping the Kings can get another big but i wont be heartbroken if we don't make a move.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#324 » by Catchall » Thu Feb 2, 2023 11:31 pm

Vanderbilt would help the Blazers. Their backcourt defense is soft and Nurkic has been slowing down and can use all the help they can get. Just having JV rebound and push the ball is going to help them.

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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#325 » by ChumboChappati » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:12 am

Exp0sed wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
So Wood for Duncan + this year’s first round draft pick, heck we can make it unprotected :D


Lmao I love the audacity. I think Luka wouldn’t be too happy to lose the second best player on the team for Dunc and a draft pick.


Mavs FO is beyond worthless

they traded assets for Wood less than a season ago :banghead:
Wood has played as well as can be expected, also seemed to mesh with Luka and the team

did they think he wasn't gonna try to get paid?
why trade for him if ur not willing to extend him?
it seems like he's not after some huge payday but rather a contract in the vicinity of what he's worth but he wants 4 years and the Mavs are only willing to offer 2

now, since he hasn't been extended they run the risk of losing him for nothing so they're gonna trade him?
and get what exactly? for an expiring waiting\expecting to be paid C. Wood?

just pay the man, morons!
he's still just 27 for the love of god, he's barely played the first half of his career I think he could even get better
he's got size, talent and he's a good shooter and scorer

just give him the 4 years and trade him down the line if\when the need arises
he's still gonna have value when he's 30, on a 100/4 type contract

Mavericks looks cheap which is strange considering Cuban is their owner
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#326 » by Guy » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:59 am

ChumboChappati wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Lmao I love the audacity. I think Luka wouldn’t be too happy to lose the second best player on the team for Dunc and a draft pick.


Mavs FO is beyond worthless

they traded assets for Wood less than a season ago :banghead:
Wood has played as well as can be expected, also seemed to mesh with Luka and the team

did they think he wasn't gonna try to get paid?
why trade for him if ur not willing to extend him?
it seems like he's not after some huge payday but rather a contract in the vicinity of what he's worth but he wants 4 years and the Mavs are only willing to offer 2

now, since he hasn't been extended they run the risk of losing him for nothing so they're gonna trade him?
and get what exactly? for an expiring waiting\expecting to be paid C. Wood?

just pay the man, morons!
he's still just 27 for the love of god, he's barely played the first half of his career I think he could even get better
he's got size, talent and he's a good shooter and scorer

just give him the 4 years and trade him down the line if\when the need arises
he's still gonna have value when he's 30, on a 100/4 type contract

Mavericks looks cheap which is strange considering Cuban is their owner

Smoke screen, he is cheap and has been for a while. That's what a good public image gets you.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#327 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:56 am

Exp0sed wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Flash4thewin wrote:
So Wood for Duncan + this year’s first round draft pick, heck we can make it unprotected :D


Lmao I love the audacity. I think Luka wouldn’t be too happy to lose the second best player on the team for Dunc and a draft pick.


Mavs FO is beyond worthless

they traded assets for Wood less than a season ago :banghead:
Wood has played as well as can be expected, also seemed to mesh with Luka and the team

did they think he wasn't gonna try to get paid?
why trade for him if ur not willing to extend him?
it seems like he's not after some huge payday but rather a contract in the vicinity of what he's worth but he wants 4 years and the Mavs are only willing to offer 2

now, since he hasn't been extended they run the risk of losing him for nothing so they're gonna trade him?
and get what exactly? for an expiring waiting\expecting to be paid C. Wood?

just pay the man, morons!
he's still just 27 for the love of god, he's barely played the first half of his career I think he could even get better
he's got size, talent and he's a good shooter and scorer

just give him the 4 years and trade him down the line if\when the need arises
he's still gonna have value when he's 30, on a 100/4 type contract


The wild thing is that this is exactly what happened with Brunson and you see how much better the Mavs would be with him. Mavs front office and Cuban be like

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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#328 » by Pointgod » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:59 am

KingFox wrote:Hoping the Kings can get another big but i wont be heartbroken if we don't make a move.


I think Kings are sitting pretty, so they don’t need to absolutely make a move, but how would you feel about trading Barnes?
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#329 » by Dan Z » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:15 am

Catchall wrote:Vanderbilt would help the Blazers. Their backcourt defense is soft and Nurkic has been slowing down and can use all the help they can get. Just having JV rebound and push the ball is going to help them.

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Why does Utah want to trade him?
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#330 » by OGSactownballer » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:14 am

Pointgod wrote:
KingFox wrote:Hoping the Kings can get another big but i wont be heartbroken if we don't make a move.


I think Kings are sitting pretty, so they don’t need to absolutely make a move, but how would you feel about trading Barnes?


I’d be fine with it if it is part of a deal to get bigger, younger and more talented at the PF spot.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#331 » by nzahir » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:02 am

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:
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That is hilarious that you think Rozier can be exchanged for a 1st rounder. I can see it happening on NBA 2K but not in the actual NBA. Overvaluing your players is effective if you’re the actual GM, not a realGM.

IF Westbrook is traded to Charlotte for the obvious Hayward & Rozier, I don’t think any picks will be in there UNLESS MJ coughs it up for Hayward’s contract.


Meth is bad for you.


He’s not the one trying to move off marginal/injury prone players who aren’t what they once were and making too much money…thus saving 50 million in future salary to get off those contracts. AND wanting picks in return. Now that’s some damn delusions right there. No one in the league is giving you picks for those two. No one.

I think MJ's horrific decision making over the last decade plus has maybe rubbed off on some

We don't even want Rozier, we have enough thin/short guards

Rozier is not a positive contract

Sure you can maybe get a late 1st for him, but you must be taking on an awufl deal back and probably throwing in a 2nd or Oubre/McDaniels with him

The other option is you can keep paying them and get no compensation either

Pelinka isn't going to waste a 1st in a Hornets deal that gets rid of our cap space and we need to take on an injury prone guy in Hayward
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#332 » by basketballRob » Fri Feb 3, 2023 11:47 am

Jadoogar wrote:Mavericks obviously need to do something but i don't think they should go for a half measure this deadline (like Bogdonovic or something of that level). They need to clear this pick obligation to the knicks. This summer they will have access to all their picks and teams that disappoint in the playoffs may look to reset by trading their stars (like Siakam or KAT might be gettable in the summer).

Luka is so good that i think Mavs shouldn't care about their picks at this point and just focus on getting Luka a second 2 way star. Unfortunately, they are going to have to ride out this roster for this season and go star hunting in the summer.
Bamba and Harris for Bertans and Green. Both Bamba and Harris have a team option next season.

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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#333 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:58 pm

Guy wrote:
ChumboChappati wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
Mavs FO is beyond worthless

they traded assets for Wood less than a season ago :banghead:
Wood has played as well as can be expected, also seemed to mesh with Luka and the team

did they think he wasn't gonna try to get paid?
why trade for him if ur not willing to extend him?
it seems like he's not after some huge payday but rather a contract in the vicinity of what he's worth but he wants 4 years and the Mavs are only willing to offer 2

now, since he hasn't been extended they run the risk of losing him for nothing so they're gonna trade him?
and get what exactly? for an expiring waiting\expecting to be paid C. Wood?

just pay the man, morons!
he's still just 27 for the love of god, he's barely played the first half of his career I think he could even get better
he's got size, talent and he's a good shooter and scorer

just give him the 4 years and trade him down the line if\when the need arises
he's still gonna have value when he's 30, on a 100/4 type contract

Mavericks looks cheap which is strange considering Cuban is their owner

Smoke screen, he is cheap and has been for a while. That's what a good public image gets you.

I don't know how he is in Dallas, but Woods has a history of issues. I do know he was on Sean Marks' Do Not Touch list years ago, and that wasn't due to talent.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#334 » by Exp0sed » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:07 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
Guy wrote:
ChumboChappati wrote:Mavericks looks cheap which is strange considering Cuban is their owner

Smoke screen, he is cheap and has been for a while. That's what a good public image gets you.

I don't know how he is in Dallas, but Woods has a history of issues. I do know he was on Sean Marks' Do Not Touch list years ago, and that wasn't due to talent.


idk to what extent his team hopping is actually related to his "issues' and some are just down to the crappy situations he was in

don't forget that despite being a talented, skiled player with good size - he was barely even given a real chance before he turned 23-24
i'd have issues too if i was an all-star caliber player (or close to it) and I wouldn't even get the start on a crappy team going nowhere, with inferior players starting and playing over me :P

whatever those issues may or may not be, they were well known to the Mavs before they traded assests for him
so the way I see it is: if he was good enough to trade for - he's good enough to extend long term on a decent contract

especially seeing as he's played really well and even been suprisingly not bad as advertised on defense while being as good as advertised offensively

and even more glaring is the fact that just like JB, with Dallas few assets - his production would be hard to replace
losing a good player for nothing, after you just traded for said player (and he's been playing well), when u have no realistic way to replace him and ur quibbling about a 4 year extention that will run thru his prime years and b4 the spike cap...

That's Pelinka level of incompetene

there's a higher likelihood of this contract beoming a positive to neutral trading asset down the line, than there's a likelihood of this becoming a bad, team constricting contract imo
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#335 » by jonbob17 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:10 pm

AdamTH21 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:1. Who will be the buyers?
Wizards (play-in or bust as usual)
Lakers
Suns
Clippers
Timberwolves

2. Who will be the sellers?
Toronto
Magic
Hornets
Jazz (they've fallen back to earth)
Spurs

3. Who are the big names that will be traded?
FVV

There's always a few surprise players/teams. I didn't think Kings would trade Haliburton or the Bulls would make such a stupid offer for Vuc.


Just out of interest, who do you think the Magic would be shopping in this scenario?


Harris, Bamba, Ross, possibly Fultz or Anthony
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#336 » by WargamesX » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:55 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
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Guy wrote:Smoke screen, he is cheap and has been for a while. That's what a good public image gets you.

I don't know how he is in Dallas, but Woods has a history of issues. I do know he was on Sean Marks' Do Not Touch list years ago, and that wasn't due to talent.


idk to what extent his team hopping is actually related to his "issues' and some are just down to the crappy situations he was in

don't forget that despite being a talented, skiled player with good size - he was barely even given a real chance before he turned 23-24
i'd have issues too if i was an all-star caliber player (or close to it) and I wouldn't even get the start on a crappy team going nowhere, with inferior players starting and playing over me :P

whatever those issues may or may not be, they were well known to the Mavs before they traded assests for him
so the way I see it is: if he was good enough to trade for - he's good enough to extend long term on a decent contract

especially seeing as he's played really well and even been suprisingly not bad as advertised on defense while being as good as advertised offensively

and even more glaring is the fact that just like JB, with Dallas few assets - his production would be hard to replace
losing a good player for nothing, after you just traded for said player (and he's been playing well), when u have no realistic way to replace him and ur quibbling about a 4 year extention that will run thru his prime years and b4 the spike cap...

That's Pelinka level of incompetene

there's a higher likelihood of this contract beoming a positive to neutral trading asset down the line, than there's a likelihood of this becoming a bad, team constricting contract imo

Are the Mavs trying to get max space to chase a FA in the next two years? That would be the only solution I could see.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#337 » by iggymcfrack » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:00 pm

Rumors of a possible Jazz/Lakers trade with Westbrook involved. Seems like the obvious trade would be something like:

Westbrook + Christie + 2 first rounders for
Conley, Beasley, and Vanderbilt

Does that seem like good value on both sides? I could see it happening.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#338 » by AdamTH21 » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:34 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
AdamTH21 wrote:
Jadoogar wrote:1. Who will be the buyers?
Wizards (play-in or bust as usual)
Lakers
Suns
Clippers
Timberwolves

2. Who will be the sellers?
Toronto
Magic
Hornets
Jazz (they've fallen back to earth)
Spurs

3. Who are the big names that will be traded?
FVV

There's always a few surprise players/teams. I didn't think Kings would trade Haliburton or the Bulls would make such a stupid offer for Vuc.


Just out of interest, who do you think the Magic would be shopping in this scenario?


Harris, Bamba, Ross, possibly Fultz or Anthony


I’d be REALLY surprised if we dealt Fultz in a “selling”’ move. If he was used as part of a wider deal to make us better, then sure. But he’s a genuinely important part of our team and fits well with both our timeline and Franz/Paolo.

I get why Harris would be seen as a nice piece for a contender, but I hope we keep him. A good shooter and veteran presence is exactly what we need.

Anthony? I’d listen to (a lot) of offers on. Ross and Bamba? You can have them for a fax machine.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#339 » by levon » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:37 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:Rumors of a possible Jazz/Lakers trade with Westbrook involved. Seems like the obvious trade would be something like:

Westbrook + Christie + 2 first rounders for
Conley, Beasley, and Vanderbilt

Does that seem like good value on both sides? I could see it happening.

I'd do it if I could sub Christie out with a second. I think he's going to be really good, like potentially the best asset going to the Jazz.
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Re: 2023 trade deadline 

Post#340 » by FeatheryTouch » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:40 pm

Exp0sed wrote:
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Guy wrote:Smoke screen, he is cheap and has been for a while. That's what a good public image gets you.

I don't know how he is in Dallas, but Woods has a history of issues. I do know he was on Sean Marks' Do Not Touch list years ago, and that wasn't due to talent.


idk to what extent his team hopping is actually related to his "issues' and some are just down to the crappy situations he was in



7 crappy situations in a row?

Dallas is Wood's 7th NBA team, and none of his previous teams seemed to want to resign him either despite some pretty good numbers, affordable contracts, and his youth at the time.

Every team he has been on looked at him for a year and has said no thanks.

You don't hear many reports of any teams targeting him either.

In other words - red flags galore.

If Wood can't stick anywhere despite his production, there have to be(unreported?) locker room/off-the-court issues.

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