Jokic officially averaging a triple double

ty 4191 · Post #61 » by **ty 4191** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 2:09 am

eyeatoma wrote:Me and my partner lol? Okay buddy. Plenty of Embiid fans on the GB who support my takes. You try to generalize and make it seem like it's just me and Hussein. Anyways, I'm out, this conversation is pointless.

Thank God. Leave, and don't come back to further debase and ruin these conversations.

Thanks.

YogurtProducer · Post #62 » by **YogurtProducer** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 2:10 am

Phreak50 wrote:This board changes it's mind retrospectively.

You all hyped the hell out of Westbrook's triple doubles. He was a legend, he was goatbrook and so on.

In a few years when Jokic still hasn't won anything what will you say then?

Pretty sure a lot of people did not hype Westbrooks triples doubles. I for one think he is the worst MVP of the modern era. Dude is a floor raiser, not a ceiling raiser which MVP's should be.

AleksandarN · Post #63 » by **AleksandarN** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 4:47 am

Read on Twitter

CobraCommander · Post #64 » by **CobraCommander** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 6:55 am

AleksandarN wrote:

Read on Twitter

Jokic went for a casual 9 of 13....and was plus 26 in tonight’s game against the GSW. He is like if chatgpt is controlling a Boston dynamics robot and I asked it to play basketball...like a machine

DreamTeam09 · Post #65 » by **DreamTeam09** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:14 am

Is 60-40-80 some like super rare %s that no1 has put up??

Another crazy # about jokic.

He's gonna be 32 and UFA having already earned 430mill from salary

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #66 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 7:34 am

Phreak50 wrote:This board changes it's mind retrospectively.

You all hyped the hell out of Westbrook's triple doubles. He was a legend, he was goatbrook and so on.

In a few years when Jokic still hasn't won anything what will you say then?

you who?
I am sure most people here would have voted Harden for MVP, myself included

Jables · Post #67 » by **Jables** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:02 am

To some extent I agree with the justifications for how this is different from Westbrook, but it's also kinda worse in a way because he already had two in years where his team didn't do a lot in playoffs. Like man if Karl Malone and Derrick Rose can interrupt some MVP streaks because of voter fatigue, why are people content to vote for Jokic every year? We are putting him on an unprecedented pedestal if he wins the MVP.

It feels like some double standard.

Peregrine01 · Post #68 » by **Peregrine01** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:07 am

Jables wrote:To some extent I agree with the justifications for how this is different from Westbrook, but it's also kinda worse in a way because he already had two in years where his team didn't do a lot in playoffs. Like man if Karl Malone and Derrick Rose can interrupt some MVP streaks because of voter fatigue, why are people content to vote for Jokic every year?

It feels like some double standard.

Well, a few reasons:
- His team has sucked because of all the injuries and he still carried them well beyond what many expected
- He's having all-time level offensive seasons and can seemingly carry a team to offensive respectability virtually on his own
- He's an iron-man who hardly misses regular season games (compared to other MVP contenders)

Wrt Malone and Rose, both of them were on teams that were legit contenders. I thought Malone was deserving but Rose really wasn't. He just got the benefit of being the primary offensive guy on the best defense in the league. That and nobody was giving it to Bron after The Decision.

MrGoat · Post #69 » by **MrGoat** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:12 am

Like Westbrook, just not as many points

Woodsanity · Post #70 » by **Woodsanity** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:39 am

eyeatoma wrote:
pr0wler wrote:This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

Coming from a fanboy of a guy who didnt even make a single ECF and got swept in the first round even. :lol:

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #71 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:48 am

Jables wrote:To some extent I agree with the justifications for how this is different from Westbrook, but it's also kinda worse in a way because he already had two in years where his team didn't do a lot in playoffs. Like man if Karl Malone and Derrick Rose can interrupt some MVP streaks because of voter fatigue, why are people content to vote for Jokic every year? We are putting him on an unprecedented pedestal if he wins the MVP.

It feels like some double standard.

These are remembered as very poor MVP results, though.
And both were leading 60+ win teams anyway, someone must take it away from Jokic

antonac · Post #72 » by **antonac** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 8:51 am

The weird thing about his triple double is that his assist numbers have risen sharply as the season has gone on, it's taken him until now to round it up to 10 but split the season in half and in the second half he must be averaging nearly 12 a game.

This is becoming historical on the playmaking front, regardless of the triple double aspect.

Edit: although, tbf after watching the highlights there was more than a couple of Stockton assists :lol:

. Hands the ball to someond who then beats his man and scores.

Syd-TK3 · Post #73 » by **Syd-TK3** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 11:06 am

Really hope Denver wins it all 3 mvps with no ring sucks

rapstarter · Post #74 » by **rapstarter** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 11:53 am

Jables wrote:To some extent I agree with the justifications for how this is different from Westbrook, but it's also kinda worse in a way because he already had two in years where his team didn't do a lot in playoffs. Like man if Karl Malone and Derrick Rose can interrupt some MVP streaks because of voter fatigue, why are people content to vote for Jokic every year? We are putting him on an unprecedented pedestal if he wins the MVP.

It feels like some double standard.

Because what Jokic is doing is unprecedented. Not sure why this is so difficult for some people to grasp. Jokic is THAT good.

Mickey8 · Post #75 » by **Mickey8** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:41 pm

Westbrook while impressive in those seasons, he was the definition for the stat padder, we know how he managed to grab double digit rebounds per game, he was taking bunch of bad shots and making lots of turnovers. Jokic had like bunch of games this season when he was rebound or points or the assists shy from triple double and he would miss entire fourth quarter . If he was stat padding, he would be averaging triple double in every game this season . Still, I don't like his game this season that much because he's not scoring the ball as much he should.

hardenASG13 · Post #76 » by **hardenASG13** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:47 pm

Woodsanity wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
pr0wler wrote:This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

Coming from a fanboy of a guy who didnt even make a single ECF and got swept in the first round even.

He made a very reasonable counter and you comeback with a jab about Embiid, because you know it was true. You should laugh at yourself. Also embiid never had a teammate dropping multiple 50 point games and taking over as the leading scorer on his team in the playoffs. Jokic did in his historic 1 trip to the WCF, where they had the luxury of coming back from 3-1 twice without having to play road elimination games.

As for westbrooks triple doubles being manufactured, how? Explain. How's it different from Jokic? Jokic took 1 FGa in the first quarter last night, got his teammates going. Isn't this what westbrook is for some reason criticized for doing, and why you all call his numbers manufactured?

Also, while he makes some amazing passes, I'll say it. Lots of Jokic's assists are just dribble handoffs or guys repeatedly running off him in the high post (compared to westbrook collapsing a defense all night with a dribble). Manufactured!

Mickey8 · Post #77 » by **Mickey8** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 12:50 pm

hardenASG13 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

Coming from a fanboy of a guy who didnt even make a single ECF and got swept in the first round even.

He made a very reasonable counter and you comeback with a jab about Embiid, because you know it was true. You should laugh at yourself. Also embiid never had a teammate dropping multiple 50 point games and taking over as the leading scorer on his team in the playoffs yesterday.

As for westbrooks triple doubles being manufactured, how? Explain. How's it different from Jokic? Jokic took 1 FGa in the first quarter last night, got his teammates going. Isn't this what westbrook is for some reason criticized for doing, and why you all call his numbers manufactured?

Also, while he makes some amazing passes, I'll say it. Lots of Jokic's assists are just dribble handoffs or guys repeatedly running off him in the high post (compared to westbrook collapsing a defense all night with a dribble). Manufactured!

Like his teammates literally shielding so he can grab defensive boards, he was still playing uncontrollable basketball at OKC, he didn't shy from taking the bad shot or make the stupid turnover. Isiah Thomas on the legit triple doubles at the end of the clip.

Watch on YouTube

hardenASG13 · Post #78 » by **hardenASG13** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:00 pm

Mickey8 wrote:
hardenASG13 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:Coming from a fanboy of a guy who didnt even make a single ECF and got swept in the first round even.

He made a very reasonable counter and you comeback with a jab about Embiid, because you know it was true. You should laugh at yourself. Also embiid never had a teammate dropping multiple 50 point games and taking over as the leading scorer on his team in the playoffs yesterday.

As for westbrooks triple doubles being manufactured, how? Explain. How's it different from Jokic? Jokic took 1 FGa in the first quarter last night, got his teammates going. Isn't this what westbrook is for some reason criticized for doing, and why you all call his numbers manufactured?

Also, while he makes some amazing passes, I'll say it. Lots of Jokic's assists are just dribble handoffs or guys repeatedly running off him in the high post (compared to westbrook collapsing a defense all night with a dribble). Manufactured!

Like his teammates literally shielding so he can grab defensive boards, he was still playing uncontrollable basketball at OKC, he didn't shy from taking the bad shot or make the stupid turnover. Isiah Thomas on the legit triple doubles at the end of the clip.

Watch on YouTube

Westbrook played with lots of dudes who couldn't come close to generating their own shots. He had to take alot of bad ones. Westbrook had unique energy and went after every rebound. His teammates knew if they boxed out he'd be there. I don't care about the analysis of Isiah Thomas. He's out of management and into broadcasting for a reason.

PedroFlu · Post #79 » by **PedroFlu** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 1:21 pm

Enjoy it, folks.

dhsilv2 · Post #80 » by **dhsilv2** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 2:21 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
1993Playoffs wrote:Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?

If he won the MVP once I would say it but dude evolving and getting better...so this has to be who he is ...he keeps doing it - better

2016 steph was isolated? Didn't he win the MVP in 2015...and he won the title in 2017, 2018, and 2022 after 2016?

Just like Steph, Jokic doesn't at all look to be say having a 2003 Tmac year! These are all time greats we're watching.