RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Pelicans (Thursd. 8:30PM EST)

[Mavrelous]

They didn't rush, signing normal FA with cap space and resigning Brunson and this would've been a contender, they instead put their eggs in THJ basket and fumbled Brunson.
The fact this team is still 4th in the west with everything that went down tells you it's fixable, but they need to understand what went wrong to address it, I've seen 0 evidence of that.

Not really. I will need to correct you on this as I remember this very clearly. Cuban placed all his eggs on the Kyle Lowry basket. Even openly saying he wanted Lowry in Dallas. Short story is Miami got caught tampering and pulled the rug under Cuban again.

THJ was never in the cards. He was a backup signing in case Lowry went somewhere. THJ is a failure signing IMO.

Then why overpay THJ, Luka's and Brunson extention was about to kick in, Lauri Markannen was waiting in FA to be signed, Demar Derozan was waiting, Buddy Hield was begging out and could've been dumped into cap space.
This isn't hindsight! We said on this board THJ shouldn't go above 60/4, that would've left 20 millions for a FA.

[arkuo]

Look, nobody you have mentioned have even similar usage and don't forget Luka is the best rebounder too. There's a limit of energy Luka can spend 5 days a week in 82 games season.

Last game was perfect example. Luka 132.7 offrtg, Green, who has played very little with Luka 101.6. I would say that, what Luka provides is far more important than screens and off ball play every other provides.

It affects the whole system they play in. Kidd employs the same system when Luka is in or out. And that is why when Luka sits down or is out, Dinwiddie runs the same damn boring iso set and everybody still stands around watching Dinwiddie go 1 on 1. Problem is Dinwiddie is not Luka so there are shots he doesn't make. It's a system thing, not an advanced stats effectivity thing. You have to change how the team plays, and by that, I guess it also means Kidd has to go.

I don't like Kidd, but for different system you need different players. You really don't want from DFS, Bullock, THJ, Kleber, Frank...to do anything else than shoot open 3s. They lack fundamental skills to do anything else.

Kidd is not as creative as Carlisle is so there are limitations to what he can direct from the sidelines. Ty Lue IMO has squeezed the most out of Lebron and got him playing off ball some. It adds variation to the system. That's my point. Because when Dallas faces the Clippers in the playoffs this year, all they have to do is put PG and Kawhi on Doncic and its game over. Dont even bother showing up and doing laundry. Carlisle is a hard ass but I'm pretty sure he'd squeeze a bit more responsibility out of Luka and more production from Dinwiddie and Wood. The other guys (outside) or Luka are just freeloading on Doncic. Getting paid big bucks to stand around the 3 point line doing nothing. Those same guys could not even hold the big lead tonight against the Pels.

[arkuo]

They didn't rush, signing normal FA with cap space and resigning Brunson and this would've been a contender, they instead put their eggs in THJ basket and fumbled Brunson.
The fact this team is still 4th in the west with everything that went down tells you it's fixable, but they need to understand what went wrong to address it, I've seen 0 evidence of that.

Not really. I will need to correct you on this as I remember this very clearly. Cuban placed all his eggs on the Kyle Lowry basket. Even openly saying he wanted Lowry in Dallas. Short story is Miami got caught tampering and pulled the rug under Cuban again.

THJ was never in the cards. He was a backup signing in case Lowry went somewhere. THJ is a failure signing IMO.

Then why overpay THJ, Luka's and Brunson extention was about to kick in, Lauri Markannen was waiting in FA to be signed, Demar Derozan was waiting, Buddy Hield was begging out and could've been dumped into cap space.
This isn't hindsight! We said on this board THJ shouldn't go above 60/4, that would've left 20 millions for a FA.

THJ's overpay is a result of Cuban's ego getting hurt. Same with Dwight Powell's overpay. It's history repeating itself. I've been on this board for 20 years now, have followed the team for more than that, and have seen people here come and go. Trust me when I say, Cuban has an ego and when it's pinched, he answers back with how big his wallet is. It's billionaires measuring how long their dicks are.

[Bob8]

It affects the whole system they play in. Kidd employs the same system when Luka is in or out. And that is why when Luka sits down or is out, Dinwiddie runs the same damn boring iso set and everybody still stands around watching Dinwiddie go 1 on 1. Problem is Dinwiddie is not Luka so there are shots he doesn't make. It's a system thing, not an advanced stats effectivity thing. You have to change how the team plays, and by that, I guess it also means Kidd has to go.

I don't like Kidd, but for different system you need different players. You really don't want from DFS, Bullock, THJ, Kleber, Frank...to do anything else than shoot open 3s. They lack fundamental skills to do anything else.

Kidd is not as creative as Carlisle is so there are limitations to what he can direct from the sidelines. Ty Lue IMO has squeezed the most out of Lebron and got him playing off ball some. It adds variation to the system. That's my point. Because when Dallas faces the Clippers in the playoffs this year, all they have to do is put PG and Kawhi on Doncic and its game over. Dont even bother showing up and doing laundry. Carlisle is a hard ass but I'm pretty sure he'd squeeze a bit more responsibility out of Luka and more production from Dinwiddie and Wood. The other guys (outside) or Luka are just freeloading on Doncic. Getting paid big bucks to stand around the 3 point line doing nothing. Those same guys could not even hold the big lead tonight against the Pels.

Point is, offense with Luka is elite, without him setting screens or playing off ball. Problem is elsewhere and it starts and ends with bad roster in both ends of the court.

[arkuo]

I don't like Kidd, but for different system you need different players. You really don't want from DFS, Bullock, THJ, Kleber, Frank...to do anything else than shoot open 3s. They lack fundamental skills to do anything else.

But to drive in my point, I think there is room to squeeze more out of Dinwiddie. You can forget about THJ and DFS. But Dinwiddie I think has a bit more room for production. Offense wise, I dare say you can pull a Krhis Middleton out of him. Just strictly offense. Giannis was in the same situation in his early years that he'd take on like 90% of the possessions and dribble all the way in for a dunk. Up until other teams built a wall and Giannis had to create plays for Middleton. Then you squeeze in more production from the said person. I have factory now and when manufacturing gets weak, I don't fire everyone and ask human resource to get me better (employees) players every year, I squeeze more out of them to raise my production. Same with Dinwiddie. You get paid big bucks, now you are responsible to produce more.

[arkuo]

I don't like Kidd, but for different system you need different players. You really don't want from DFS, Bullock, THJ, Kleber, Frank...to do anything else than shoot open 3s. They lack fundamental skills to do anything else.

Kidd is not as creative as Carlisle is so there are limitations to what he can direct from the sidelines. Ty Lue IMO has squeezed the most out of Lebron and got him playing off ball some. It adds variation to the system. That's my point. Because when Dallas faces the Clippers in the playoffs this year, all they have to do is put PG and Kawhi on Doncic and its game over. Dont even bother showing up and doing laundry. Carlisle is a hard ass but I'm pretty sure he'd squeeze a bit more responsibility out of Luka and more production from Dinwiddie and Wood. The other guys (outside) or Luka are just freeloading on Doncic. Getting paid big bucks to stand around the 3 point line doing nothing. Those same guys could not even hold the big lead tonight against the Pels.

Point is, offense with Luka is elite, without him setting screens or playing off ball. Problem is elsewhere and it starts and ends with bad roster in both ends of the court.

A little bit of both actually. There was no higher percentage shot than when Giannis would simply dunk the ball on the rim that goes in 90% of the time. But Milwaukee kept hitting walls even if that was the case. You have to squeeze more responsibility from your other guys.

Give more responsibility to guys like Wood and Dinwiddie. Then forget about DFS and THJ. Give their playing time to Green and Hardy. Mavs just play a lot of stagnant 1 on 1 offense and its the same story every year. You need to hold Dinwiddie accountable. Have other people get moving. Let Dinwiddie and Wood run a two man game while Luka plays decoy. You never know what turns up, maybe it works. Kidd has to live up to the results of it though. Maybe his job is on the line and he doesnt want to take risks.

[Archx]

Supporting Mavs is killing my braincells and i blame Dirk for that. Suffering all those years because of FO incompetence and now this BS all over again.

And is there any player more unlucky with "ankle area" injuries? It's almost guaranteed that he'll miss 10-15 games because of those type injuries per season at this point.

[arkuo]

Supporting Mavs is killing my braincells and i blame Dirk for that. Suffering all those years because of FO incompetence and now this BS all over again.

And is there any player more unlucky with "ankle area" injuries? It's almost guaranteed that he'll miss 10-15 games because of those type injuries per season at this point.

Part of it is luck, part of it is Luka's weight. Mavs need to sit Luka out, send him to the Maldives for 2 years or something. Then he comes back with a tan and the Mavs have a lottery pick.

Sitting Luka out means Green and Hardy get heavy minutes. I'd like to see if those two are really NBA ready and that would determine if they get extended. To be honest, I kinda like the Cam Reddish idea more if it only cost Bullock. Reddish is 6'8 and can already dribble drive to the rim more than DFS and Bullock ever could. Given his age, you can salvage a project out of that. Bullock wont get extended here anyway after his current contract runs out. Now you have Josh Green, Jaden Hardy and Cam Reddish as projects that are paid the minimum. You hit one right and its worth it.

[Mavrelous]

Hardy isn't rotation player material yet, you play him, you lose, he looks promising, but not ready yet.

[41Dirk41]

Hardy isn't rotation player material yet, you play him, you lose, he looks promising, but not ready yet.

Agree.

At least 2 years away. Have we time for waiting him?
I don't think...

[41Dirk41]

Was it only me who felt embarrassed in the crowd in the last minutes of the match? Maybe it was the LP but there was a silence mixed with whistles...

[arkuo]

Hardy isn't rotation player material yet, you play him, you lose, he looks promising, but not ready yet.

I think Hardy needs minutes to develop. He wont get anywhere riding the bench. Brunson is the same but was lucky enough to have been given minutes. You never know until we see him play significant minutes. But the team follows seniority for playing time.

C Wood played the same D league team where Hardy was but was given playing time. Turned out okay.

[41Dirk41]

Hardy isn't rotation player material yet, you play him, you lose, he looks promising, but not ready yet.

I think Hardy needs minutes to develop. He wont get anywhere riding the bench. Brunson is the same but was lucky enough to have been given minutes. You never know until we see him play significant minutes. But the team follows seniority for playing time.

C Wood played the same D league team where Hardy was but was given playing time. Turned out okay.

Jalen played 3 years at Villanova and won 2 NCAA titles... He was light years ahead of this Hardy about exp and BBQI

[leolozon]

Supporting Mavs is killing my braincells and i blame Dirk for that. Suffering all those years because of FO incompetence and now this BS all over again.

And is there any player more unlucky with "ankle area" injuries? It's almost guaranteed that he'll miss 10-15 games because of those type injuries per season at this point.

Curry to start his career, but then it stopped.

Luka should of course lose weight to reduce the pressure on his ankles and do some strengthening. It can only help.

Anyway, I read that he hurt his heel this time.

[daoneandonly]

Luka's ankle/feet issues arent just from his physical weight, its the weight of the team he has to carry on his back. THJ is garbage, the FO should have seen that last year when this team went to the WCF without him

[Bob8]

I don't like Kidd, but for different system you need different players. You really don't want from DFS, Bullock, THJ, Kleber, Frank...to do anything else than shoot open 3s. They lack fundamental skills to do anything else.

But to drive in my point, I think there is room to squeeze more out of Dinwiddie. You can forget about THJ and DFS. But Dinwiddie I think has a bit more room for production. Offense wise, I dare say you can pull a Krhis Middleton out of him. Just strictly offense. Giannis was in the same situation in his early years that he'd take on like 90% of the possessions and dribble all the way in for a dunk. Up until other teams built a wall and Giannis had to create plays for Middleton. Then you squeeze in more production from the said person. I have factory now and when manufacturing gets weak, I don't fire everyone and ask human resource to get me better (employees) players every year, I squeeze more out of them to raise my production. Same with Dinwiddie. You get paid big bucks, now you are responsible to produce more.

Add Jrue and Lopez and Mavs might be contenders. It's that easy. Until that, everything is just academic. There's no coach that can turn this Mavs team in something really good.

[ejs78]

Luka's ankle/feet issues arent just from his physical weight, its the weight of the team he has to carry on his back. THJ is garbage, the FO should have seen that last year when this team went to the WCF without him

we need to sound the alarm so everyone knows you were critical of the team and not just a slappy for Cuban

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[daoneandonly]

Luka's ankle/feet issues arent just from his physical weight, its the weight of the team he has to carry on his back. THJ is garbage, the FO should have seen that last year when this team went to the WCF without him

we need to sound the alarm so everyone knows you were critical of the team and not just a slappy for Cuban

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Haha indeed, maybe a sticky post within a thread. Good call ejs!!

[ejs78]

Luka's ankle/feet issues arent just from his physical weight, its the weight of the team he has to carry on his back. THJ is garbage, the FO should have seen that last year when this team went to the WCF without him

we need to sound the alarm so everyone knows you were critical of the team and not just a slappy for Cuban

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Haha indeed, maybe a sticky post within a thread. Good call ejs!!

We have both said plenty of positive and negative things about this team which is the way it should be, but if your negative talk doesn't fit the narrative of everything little thing this franchise does terrible well you must be sucking off Cuban.

[daoneandonly]

we need to sound the alarm so everyone knows you were critical of the team and not just a slappy for Cuban

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Haha indeed, maybe a sticky post within a thread. Good call ejs!!

We have both said plenty of positive and negative things about this team which is the way it should be, but if your negative talk doesn't fit the narrative of everything little thing this franchise does terrible well you must be sucking off Cuban.

100%

Apparently if we dont think exactly like certain others we're marks for Mark, don't quite get it. But definitley like your contributions to the board, especially from someone in the Detroit area who has knowledge and visibility to things we don't (like Wood, Bey/Green argument, etc).

Here's hoping the Mavs cna pull something off at the deadline.