Jokic officially averaging a triple double

[dhsilv2]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

Unlike the stomping that Jokic's hyperefficient MVP got last post season right?

Oh wait...

And this is why Embiid won't be voted an allstar starter. His fans post stuff like this...

[dhsilv2]

No he isn’t. 3 year stretch would be 3 chips. So not the greatest three year stretch

Very true I forgot it was Robert Horry who had the greatest 3 season peak of any player.

Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him. Jokic has top 10(even more) potential but he needs championships to achieve it legacy wise.

I seriously would give up watching sports if I ever even for a second believe this crap. I'm not sure what's worse, people so obsessed with their fantasy team that they get mad at teams trying to win REAL games. Or this fantasy narrative by ESPN's trash writers that's lead people to believing greatness of the individual is limited by the greatness of their teammates.

[CobraCommander]

Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?

If he won the MVP once I would say it but dude evolving and getting better...so this has to be who he is ...he keeps doing it - better

2016 steph was isolated? Didn't he win the MVP in 2015...and he won the title in 2017, 2018, and 2022 after 2016?

Just like Steph, Jokic doesn't at all look to be say having a 2003 Tmac year! These are all time greats we're watching.

I agree !

I think the thing is curry has won 4 chips in 8 years and somehow he is leading a dynasty during the Harden, KD (against and with) AND Lebron era. And Jokic and Giannis won MVPs during that time… and Curry is just winning rings AND curry is being underestimated and maybe under valued on RealGM.

[CobraCommander]

Like Westbrook, just not as many points

And so much more efficiency and a ton more winning!

[NZB2323]

He made a very reasonable counter and you comeback with a jab about Embiid, because you know it was true. You should laugh at yourself. Also embiid never had a teammate dropping multiple 50 point games and taking over as the leading scorer on his team in the playoffs yesterday.

As for westbrooks triple doubles being manufactured, how? Explain. How's it different from Jokic? Jokic took 1 FGa in the first quarter last night, got his teammates going. Isn't this what westbrook is for some reason criticized for doing, and why you all call his numbers manufactured?

Also, while he makes some amazing passes, I'll say it. Lots of Jokic's assists are just dribble handoffs or guys repeatedly running off him in the high post (compared to westbrook collapsing a defense all night with a dribble). Manufactured!

Like his teammates literally shielding so he can grab defensive boards, he was still playing uncontrollable basketball at OKC, he didn't shy from taking the bad shot or make the stupid turnover. Isiah Thomas on the legit triple doubles at the end of the clip.

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Westbrook played with lots of dudes who couldn't come close to generating their own shots. He had to take alot of bad ones. Westbrook had unique energy and went after every rebound. His teammates knew if they boxed out he'd be there. I don't care about the analysis of Isiah Thomas. He's out of management and into broadcasting for a reason.

Oladipo and Sabonis were on that OKC team with Westbrook. It’s hard to generate shots when Westbrook has the ball in his hands all the time.

[NZB2323]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

I don't think Jokic's triple doubles are getting him much further in the playoffs tbf, RS statistical accomplishments only mean so much.

almost impossible to win without without defensive rep

Jokic made it to a conference finals as the best player on his team when he was 24. Westbrook has never won a playoff series as the best player on his team.

[NZB2323]

Is this a isolated occurrence like Steph 2016 or is this who Jokic is as a player?

Nah definitely not isolated. He’s having he greatest offensive 3 season stretch in the history of the league.

Potentially the greatest 3 year stretch of anyone too.

But yeah like Curry 2016 at the moment he deserves a unanimous mvp as his 3rd in a row.

Definitely won’t be unanimous after the Embiid game.

[LessEyeTest]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

I don't think Jokic's triple doubles are getting him much further in the playoffs tbf, RS statistical accomplishments only mean so much.

almost impossible to win without without defensive rep

Jokic made it to a conference finals as the best player on his team when he was 24. Westbrook has never won a playoff series as the best player on his team.

Yeah I have a feeling if he had a Jrue Holiday and someone to mask his weaknesses (a la Lopez being the last line of defense for Giannis) we'd be singing a different tune. Jokic doesn't have any all-stars alongside him, he's literally a one man team dragging a weak roster to the #1 seed.

[NZB2323]

You can't hold yourself, do you?
You don't like him, you'll never acknowledge his quality, so why bother commenting lol
Everybody know that you won't say something positive.

Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.

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You literally have no reason to be in the MVP discussion thread where we know the candidates: Jokic, Tatum, Doncic, KD and Giannis.

Yet you sit there falling over yourself to keep insisting Embiid has a chance. In reality, he's probably going to miss another 10 games with a tweaked toe or other minor injuries he sits out with annually.

Embiid is definitely in it.

34, 10, and 4, 64.2 TS%, 30.7 PER, on/off +10.6, 3rd seed in the East.

Just because there are Jokic haters doesn’t mean you have to be an Embiid hater.

[Infinite Llamas]

Very true I forgot it was Robert Horry who had the greatest 3 season peak of any player.

Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him. Jokic has top 10(even more) potential but he needs championships to achieve it legacy wise.

I seriously would give up watching sports if I ever even for a second believe this crap. I'm not sure what's worse, people so obsessed with their fantasy team that they get mad at teams trying to win REAL games. Or this fantasy narrative by ESPN's trash writers that's lead people to believing greatness of the individual is limited by the greatness of their teammates.

The rings or bust is the worst mantra in sports. I’ve long said this. All this discourse does is promote super teams in the effort to define legacies. Winning is the goal, but it is only a piece.

[hardenASG13]

Like his teammates literally shielding so he can grab defensive boards, he was still playing uncontrollable basketball at OKC, he didn't shy from taking the bad shot or make the stupid turnover. Isiah Thomas on the legit triple doubles at the end of the clip.

Watch on YouTube

Westbrook played with lots of dudes who couldn't come close to generating their own shots. He had to take alot of bad ones. Westbrook had unique energy and went after every rebound. His teammates knew if they boxed out he'd be there. I don't care about the analysis of Isiah Thomas. He's out of management and into broadcasting for a reason.

Oladipo and Sabonis were on that OKC team with Westbrook. It’s hard to generate shots when Westbrook has the ball in his hands all the time.

Sabonis was a rookie playing 20 minutes a night. Oladipo hadn't broken out yet, and credited Westbrook to opening his eyes as to what it takes to be an elite player and motivating him to take the next step. Which he did to a degree when he went to Indy and had more free reign in their offense.

[dhsilv2]

Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him. Jokic has top 10(even more) potential but he needs championships to achieve it legacy wise.

I seriously would give up watching sports if I ever even for a second believe this crap. I'm not sure what's worse, people so obsessed with their fantasy team that they get mad at teams trying to win REAL games. Or this fantasy narrative by ESPN's trash writers that's lead people to believing greatness of the individual is limited by the greatness of their teammates.

The rings or bust is the worst mantra in sports. I’ve long said this. All this discourse does is promote super teams in the effort to define legacies. Winning is the goal, but it is only a piece.

The problem is how binary we've gotten with "winning". Karl Malone was a god damn winner! He made 2 nba finals as an MVP candidate and played a key role on a 3rd team making it. He isn't Jordan and he absolutely failed in the playoffs at times, but so did Larry Bird. Bird just had better teammates and/or worse competition. If someone wants to argue that Tmac didn't win enough, then that's a REASONABLE discussion. Same with Mitch Richmond. There are levels to winning and there are levels to what's possible with teammates.

[ChaseDown]

This is way more impressive than Westbrook's gimmicky, manufactured triple doubles which lead to nothing more than a stomping in the postseason.

I don't think Jokic's triple doubles are getting him much further in the playoffs tbf, RS statistical accomplishments only mean so much.

almost impossible to win without without defensive rep

Jokic made it to a conference finals as the best player on his team when he was 24. Westbrook has never won a playoff series as the best player on his team.

Hey man Westbriqué has the most triple doubles in history and has a wedding ring! You put some respeck on his name ok? Okay.

Jokic will get a ring eventually. He doesn’t get enough credit for them being at the 1st seed right now. I’ll even add: Westbroom never even led his team above a 4th seed. Sure, seeding don’t matter but PG13 (at that time) is greater than Murray & MPJ put together. Give Jokic a true All-Star next to him, they might just get as far as the finals.

[AleksandarN]

Wilt had a greater 3 year stretch than Jokic. Same with Jordan. Same with Bird. Look Jokic is my favourite player. But in order for him to be considered among the true greats is championships. Why do you think Lebron went to the Heat? Because he knows greatness/legacy is defined by winning. That’s what Jokic is missing. He will win I have no doubts. But it is way too premature to crown him. Jokic has top 10(even more) potential but he needs championships to achieve it legacy wise.

I seriously would give up watching sports if I ever even for a second believe this crap. I'm not sure what's worse, people so obsessed with their fantasy team that they get mad at teams trying to win REAL games. Or this fantasy narrative by ESPN's trash writers that's lead people to believing greatness of the individual is limited by the greatness of their teammates.

The rings or bust is the worst mantra in sports. I’ve long said this. All this discourse does is promote super teams in the effort to define legacies. Winning is the goal, but it is only a piece.

Yeah but when you look at top 10 to ever play the game. Winning does become a part of the equation. When the talent level is that high other factors are included and yes championships matter when it comes top 10. Differential factors do come in.

[dhsilv2]

I seriously would give up watching sports if I ever even for a second believe this crap. I'm not sure what's worse, people so obsessed with their fantasy team that they get mad at teams trying to win REAL games. Or this fantasy narrative by ESPN's trash writers that's lead people to believing greatness of the individual is limited by the greatness of their teammates.

The rings or bust is the worst mantra in sports. I’ve long said this. All this discourse does is promote super teams in the effort to define legacies. Winning is the goal, but it is only a piece.

Yeah but when you look at top 10 to ever play the game. Winning does become a part of the equation. When the talent level is that high other factors are included and yes championships matter when it comes top 10. Differential factors do come in.

Winning is not the same was winning a title. If Jokic never wins a title because his teammates were just never good enough and he keeps up this play into this 30's. There's no rational reason he doesn't rank ahead of Bird, Magic, Hakeem...and even one of my favorite guys ever in Duncan. That's a huge if and I doubt it becomes reality. But as long as Jokic keeps up his play. As long as he keeps playing out of his mind in the playoffs. If he's losing because he's just playing a team that's far more talented, that's on his GM. Not on him.

If you can't see that, again....you do you. But I'd hate everything about sports at that point.

[AleksandarN]

The rings or bust is the worst mantra in sports. I’ve long said this. All this discourse does is promote super teams in the effort to define legacies. Winning is the goal, but it is only a piece.

Yeah but when you look at top 10 to ever play the game. Winning does become a part of the equation. When the talent level is that high other factors are included and yes championships matter when it comes top 10. Differential factors do come in.

Winning is not the same was winning a title. If Jokic never wins a title because his teammates were just never good enough and he keeps up this play into this 30's. There's no rational reason he doesn't rank ahead of Bird, Magic, Hakeem...and even one of my favorite guys ever in Duncan. That's a huge if and I doubt it becomes reality. But as long as Jokic keeps up his play. As long as he keeps playing out of his mind in the playoffs. If he's losing because he's just playing a team that's far more talented, that's on his GM. Not on him.

If you can't see that, again....you do you. But I'd hate everything about sports at that point.

Then you must hate sports period. You look at every team sports and their top ten players of all time. All of them have championships. When you get down to the top 10 of all time in any sports other factors come into play and winning championships is included.

[Lunartic]

If the Nuggets finish with the most wins in the West, Jokic deserves MVP once again. Dude is a top-5 big man of all time and probably the second best offensive big man ever.

[Infinite Llamas]

Yeah but when you look at top 10 to ever play the game. Winning does become a part of the equation. When the talent level is that high other factors are included and yes championships matter when it comes top 10. Differential factors do come in.

Winning is not the same was winning a title. If Jokic never wins a title because his teammates were just never good enough and he keeps up this play into this 30's. There's no rational reason he doesn't rank ahead of Bird, Magic, Hakeem...and even one of my favorite guys ever in Duncan. That's a huge if and I doubt it becomes reality. But as long as Jokic keeps up his play. As long as he keeps playing out of his mind in the playoffs. If he's losing because he's just playing a team that's far more talented, that's on his GM. Not on him.

If you can't see that, again....you do you. But I'd hate everything about sports at that point.

Then you must hate sports period. You look at every team sports and their top ten players of all time. All of them have championships. When you get down to the top 10 of all time in any sports other factors come into play and winning championships is included.

If Jordan had played on teams his whole career with the best player as Woolridge or Oakley and never won a ring, he would still be top 10. Because all you had to do was watch how special he was in his prime. He was top 10 before Pippen. Top 10 after Pippen. The championships are nice, but I don’t equate them as the be all/end all of these debates.

Impact on winning is just as important to me as impact on winning championships, since there are so many factors that go into winning a ring. Faulting a guy for bad teammates or lesser teammates is a fools errand and somewhat lazy analysis. You can be a winning player without winning championships is the point.

[dhsilv2]

Yeah but when you look at top 10 to ever play the game. Winning does become a part of the equation. When the talent level is that high other factors are included and yes championships matter when it comes top 10. Differential factors do come in.

Winning is not the same was winning a title. If Jokic never wins a title because his teammates were just never good enough and he keeps up this play into this 30's. There's no rational reason he doesn't rank ahead of Bird, Magic, Hakeem...and even one of my favorite guys ever in Duncan. That's a huge if and I doubt it becomes reality. But as long as Jokic keeps up his play. As long as he keeps playing out of his mind in the playoffs. If he's losing because he's just playing a team that's far more talented, that's on his GM. Not on him.

If you can't see that, again....you do you. But I'd hate everything about sports at that point.

Then you must hate sports period. You look at every team sports and their top ten players of all time. All of them have championships. When you get down to the top 10 of all time in any sports other factors come into play and winning championships is included.

Best QB ever was Marino. Bonds is if not the best right there, and clearly in the top 10 for baseball. As sports leagues grow it will increasingly be difficult at times for some players to get talent around them. That's just reality.

And I don't hate sports, I hate stupid sports commentators. Thus I don't watch ESPN.

[Peregrine01]

Like you all do with Embiid? I'm fine with Jokic, just think people falling over himself to praise him is ridiculous.

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You literally have no reason to be in the MVP discussion thread where we know the candidates: Jokic, Tatum, Doncic, KD and Giannis.

Yet you sit there falling over yourself to keep insisting Embiid has a chance. In reality, he's probably going to miss another 10 games with a tweaked toe or other minor injuries he sits out with annually.

Embiid is definitely in it.

34, 10, and 4, 64.2 TS%, 30.7 PER, on/off +10.6, 3rd seed in the East.

Just because there are Jokic haters doesn’t mean you have to be an Embiid hater.

Agreed. Embiid would be the front runner had he not missed so many games. I still think Tatum is ahead of the pack but it’s a very tight race.