Little Swaggy: The Kelly Oubre Jr Thread

[JMAC3]

You keep making it seem so easy to find these 3D players... over and over. That is all you talk about surrounding Melo with. They are rare, which again is why I am asking for who are you getting that can do that? and you keep avoiding the question over and over again.

i just said the exact opposite in the post you quoted... you save money and assets for players hard to find, like 3D. you dont spend on guys like oubre. good gms find oubre types on the trash heap/bargain bin (which is how we got oubre to begin with, because he was the only free agent other than lauri left. obv, we chose poorly.)

you want an example? we've been talking about it in trade thread - bones. we could prob flip mason or that nugz pick or even mcd swap and get bones.

you want past examples?
graham. but at least graham could pass and tried on defense.

remember that time we traded a 2nd for mo williams who dropped 17ppg in a snail paced cliff offense.
gary neal and pargo put up 17ppg+ /36 for us on the cheap.
troy daniels 18ppg/36
lamb who we got for 2nds
lin who we signed on cheap
marco, late 1st (which was dumb)
parker who we signed for cheap
^all those could put up 15
ppg on high volume if given chance

every team has these kinds of signings every year

Lol... I can't tell if you are avoiding the question on purpose at this point.

I said we should sign Oubre....
You said we need 3D players not Oubre.

I said okay send me some names that are better than Oubre, guys that are good 3D players we can go get. You sent zero. none.

Then you proceed to send me a bunch a bums who averaged 15 ppg per 36. Idc about per 36 averages. Oubre has averaged 15+ ppg 5 years in the league. If you can't tell the difference between someone actually putting up the numbers vs someone not good enough to play, that you have to rely on per36 numbers than you are right you can get a ton of good players in FA.

Edmond Sumner per 36 averages 17ppg
Hamidou Diallo per 36 averages 18.5 ppg
Duane Washinton per 36 averages 22.5 ppg

I guess all we have to do is sign these guys to minimum deals and they can score 17-20 ppg. LOL

[yosemiteben]

I said we should sign Oubre....
You said we need 3D players not Oubre.

I said okay send me some names that are better than Oubre, guys that are good 3D players we can go get. You sent zero. none.

Feels like he is directly responding to your sentiment that we should sign Oubre. Don't understand the confusion, he doesn't need to identify 3&D guys to be able to say Oubre isn't worth the money.

[fatlever]

You said...

"We never sign anyone out of the gleague. and you have yet to name one player we can get for pennies from another team that is averaging 15 ppg. "

All I reference to 2 days of us telling you that guys like Oubre are dime a dozen.

Now you are moving goalposts to finding you 3D guys who average 15 that we can get? That's not the point. Oubre is not a 3D. Replacing him with another non 3D chucker is not hard to do.

I agree that finding a starting caliber 3D is not easy. But, as I said, I'd rather keep striking out trying to find one than putting assests towards the Oubre types.

We had a potential 3D starter guy in Caleb and our dumbass front office cut him in order to make room for Oubre and Bouk.

At this point I'd settle for simply a quality 3pt specialist over Oubre (someone who can shoot 40% and provide some gravity)

Anyway... this is getting pointless...

Let's legit move away from our differences in Oubre. We see the game differently. That's fine.

I'm down to here if anyone has some low key wing targets we could take a flier on either at deadline or this summer.




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[JMAC3]

You said...

"We never sign anyone out of the gleague. and you have yet to name one player we can get for pennies from another team that is averaging 15 ppg. "

All I reference to 2 days of us telling you that guys like Oubre are dime a dozen.

Now you are moving goalposts to finding you 3D guys who average 15 that we can get? That's not the point. Oubre is not a 3D. Replacing him with another non 3D chucker is not hard to do.

I agree that finding a starting caliber 3D is not easy. But, as I said, I'd rather keep striking out trying to find one than putting assests towards the Oubre types.

We had a potential 3D starter guy in Caleb and our dumbass front office cut him in order to make room for Oubre and Bouk.

At this point I'd settle for simply a quality 3pt specialist over Oubre (someone who can shoot 40% and provide some gravity)

Anyway... this is getting pointless...

Let's legit move away from our differences in Oubre. We see the game differently. That's fine.

I'm down to here if anyone has some low key wing targets we could take a flier on either at deadline or this summer.

Signing Oubre doesn't prevent us from getting a 3D player is my point. It is not like they are available and we are prioritizing Oubre over them. That seems to be the disconnect. Signing Oubre for 10-15 million because that is what guys like him cost. We are not passing on an opportunity to sign some awesome 40% three point shooter who hustles and is a great defender.

I think Oubre is more rare than you do clearly. I guess averaging 15 ppg 5 years in a row is something you can expect most bad players to do in the league. You can clearly find them in abundance in the 2nd round and gleague. Don't know what I was thinking.

I just think you have unrealistic expectations of what money is going to get you in FA and what is available in trades.

Caruso is demanding 2 firsts. OG 3 firsts. JJJ probably costs 4 firsts.

Are you willing to pay that price for any of those guys? If not then you are probably settling for guys who bring other skills to the table.

[SWedd523]

Burks: Tonight's random journeyman who can give you 15ppg on poor efficiency if you give him enough shots

EDIT: Hell you can add Bey and maybe Diallo to that list too

[yosemiteben]

Signing Oubre doesn't prevent us from getting a 3D player is my point. It is not like they are available and we are prioritizing Oubre over them. That seems to be the disconnect. Signing Oubre for 10-15 million because that is what guys like him cost. We are not passing on an opportunity to sign some awesome 40% three point shooter who hustles and is a great defender.

You are committing cap space to an empty calorie scorer instead of using it to try to find that type of player. I think that's the point.

I think Oubre is more rare than you do clearly. I guess averaging 15 ppg 5 years in a row is something you can expect most bad players to do in the league. You can clearly find them in abundance in the 2nd round and gleague. Don't know what I was thinking.

When you're ready to discuss what's actually been said ITT, let us know.

[Diop]

Burks: Tonight's random journeyman who can give you 15ppg on poor efficiency if you give him enough shots

EDIT: Hell you can add Bey and maybe Diallo to that list too

Let patty mills chuck and he’ll do it as well, that’s how he looks good in the national team

[Diop]

Oubre has nice eyes though

[Liver_Pooty]

Oubre has nice eyes though

Couldn't imagine being an athlete and looking like that. I'm a straight male and envy his looks big time.

[fatlever]

i'd rather throw minutes towards a combo of bryce, theo and thor (or our top 6 pick) next year.
save that 10-15mil and use towards resigning (or replacing pj), resigning miles, upgrading dsj, and finding some tough vet mentors for the young guys
and buying cliff out of his contract and signing a real coach lol

[fatlever]

bulls can ask for 2 firsts for caruso. they will never get it. i'd offer them the denver pick and a 2nd for him though. i'd target josh hart if he opts out. love that dude.

[NCHeels2008]

Oubre has nice eyes though

Couldn't imagine being an athlete and looking like that. I'm a straight male and envy his looks big time.

I'm a non-straight male and he def could get it lmao

[NCHeels2008]

bulls can ask for 2 firsts for caruso. they will never get it. i'd offer them the denver pick and a 2nd for him though. i'd target josh hart if he opts out. love that dude.

The Caruso narrative has been funny to watch over the years being here in LA. When he was a Laker everyone said he was an overrated hustle player, ESP after Booker destroyed him in 2021 PO 1st Round. I think Caruso is a great option as long as the guards aren't too big, Booker exposed Caruso's lack of size.

But generally, he's a tonesetter and a near-starter quality guy that is a great 6th/7th man. It was funny to watch him go to Chicago and get his overdue flowers/be slightly overrated now? Same thing with Kuzma. The Lakers front office has some real f'ing flaws. But that 4 man scouting department that ESPN mocked years ago seems to unearth a gem every season or two at the backend of the draft or out of the G League.

[JMAC3]

Burks: Tonight's random journeyman who can give you 15ppg on poor efficiency if you give him enough shots

EDIT: Hell you can add Bey and maybe Diallo to that list too

Let patty mills chuck and he’ll do it as well, that’s how he looks good in the national team

One. Alec Burks makes 3/30. Is that what we consider pennies? I said if we trade Rozier I would throw a short-term contract at Oubre for 2/30.

Hamidou Diallo is averaging 8.4 ppg on a bad team shooting career 27%, but sure he is the same level player as Oubre. smh

Patty Mills is 34 years old and averaging 6 ppg. He has never scored more than 11.6 ppg in his career, but sure I bet he is capable of averaging 20, he just has chosen not to up until this point.

[JMAC3]

i'd rather throw minutes towards a combo of bryce, theo and thor (or our top 6 pick) next year.
save that 10-15mil and use towards resigning (or replacing pj), resigning miles, upgrading dsj, and finding some tough vet mentors for the young guys
and buying cliff out of his contract and signing a real coach lol

Maybe you missed the part about if we trade Rozier. We can easily sign PJ and still have cap space with Rozier. If we don't have him then we have a ton of space.

but I also don't think any world replacing Oubre with the following is the answer.

McGowens 42.6 efg%
Thor 44 efg%
Maledon 48efg%

Typically, guys get less efficient the more they shoot, this group can't shoot, and they are only shooting the ball when the defense is daring them to.

[JMAC3]

I hope we don't resign McDaniels or PJ at this rate. If they are making 15 million the board is going to expect them to be defensive stoppers shooting 40% and carrying the load on offense.

[JMAC3]

bulls can ask for 2 firsts for caruso. they will never get it. i'd offer them the denver pick and a 2nd for him though. i'd target josh hart if he opts out. love that dude.

And that would be the 9th best offer the Bulls got for Caruso.

He has 2.5 years left making 9 million.

[Braggins]

Alec Burks has shot over 40% from 3pt for the last four seasons. His assist% is more than double Oubres. Hes an average to above average defender. He is an example of player in Oubres current salary tier that is worth that money. Oubre is significantly worse than Burks in literally every aspect. Guys like Burks and Caruso are perfect points of comparison to show why Oubre shouldn't be getting paid that much. They are actually good players. If you are paying someone that much money you expect them to contribute positively in some aspect of the game. Oubre is just a terrible NBA player who offers no positive value in any aspect of the game.

Oubre is at 54% ts% and 33% 3pt over the last two seasons, which are the same as his career marks. Hes only cracked 35% from 3pt one season in his career (35.2%). Hes an awful defender. His assist% over the last two seasons has been worse than Biyombo's. Hes literally one of the lowest IQ players in the league on both sides of the ball. Hes a bad shooter, a bad scorer, awful passer, and just an overall really bad player at the NBA level. Theres no discussion worth having about this.

If you don't count rookies Oubre is currently the worst player in the league that is listed as averaging 12+ ppg on ESPN's ppg rankings.

[JDR720]

I hope we don't resign McDaniels or PJ at this rate. If they are making 15 million the board is going to expect them to be defensive stoppers shooting 40% and carrying the load on offense.

You don't need to strawman people. People are simply saying Oubre isn't very good, which is true. PJ and Jalen are both much better overall players than Oubre is. That is why people don't want to resign him, he isn't worth it.

Volume scoring on low efficiency isn't a valuable attribute. And that is pretty much all Oubre brings to the team. There are nearly 80 players in the league that average 15+ ppg.

Scanning through ESPN stats, only Rozier, Melo ( double yikes), Trae Young, Fred VanVleet, Westbrook, Dillon Brooks and Jalen Green shoot a lower %. And all of them add more than just scoring to their teams.

Rozier can playmake.
Melo + Trae are elite playmakers.
VanVleet is solid all-around.
Westbrook is a good playmaker/rebounder.
Brooks can defend.
Jalen Green...well he sucks but someone on Houston has to score.

Oubre isn't a playmaker at all. Bismack averages the same number of assists in half the minutes.
Oubre isn't a + rebounder.
Oubre isn't a + defender.
Oubre isn't a + shooter.

[SWedd523]

Oubre is a shooter who can't really shoot. If he could provide literally anything else of value it would be a worthy discussion, but as it stands, he's a straight up bonehead chucker. He's like a lower BBIQ Malik Monk, which is hilarious now that I read that.

Add Monk to the list of $10mil or so journeyman who can replicate everything Oubre does on same volume