Fake Trade Thread #5

[Roll Tide 09]

Just collect picks for Washington, Hayward, Rozier, Bouknight, Plumlee, etc. Such a disappointment to be honest. The roster is actually pretty solid and is a playoff roster.

All of the players mentioned could fetch at least one first rounder each with the exception of Bouknight…he’d fetch a second rounder if we’re lucky.

In other words, clear the cap. Re-sign/Extend the players we need and then look forward towards the upcoming draft(s) and free agency.


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[Diop]

I disagree, I don’t think any of the players mentioned are definitely bringing back a first by themselves

[Rich4114]

The new trend is for any meddling over paid player to be said to be worth a first rounder when in reality they are not. You’ll take a different meddling over paid player and you’ll like it!

[Braggins]

I think PJ would get a 1st rounder.

[Liver_Pooty]

Clearing cap space is stuff teams like the Lakers do. No one wants to come here. You ride out the Hayward contract unless someone offers a first and you do the same with Rozier (I'm certain someone would offer a protected first for rozier). Clearing cap space does nothing right now

[NCHeels2008]

Clearing cap space is stuff teams like the Lakers do. No one wants to come here. You ride out the Hayward contract unless someone offers a first and you do the same with Rozier (I'm certain someone would offer a protected first for rozier). Clearing cap space does nothing right now

I disagree, we can keep Rozier if we want but Hayward, Plumlee and Oubre aren't in Charlotte's future and better off being dealt. If none of the "bigger" Russ deals work out, there is some support on the Lakers board around a Russ for Hayward swap, I think that's smart for Charlotte to get out from Gordon's deal 1st or not. I'm more neutral on Rozier, I think he's a bit overpaid, but not too big of a ballhog and the type of veteran our locker room will need to have around. Russ should be bought out and let go to a contender, lest the Hornets risk its lotto positioning.

I think whatever deal Charlotte does, whether its Plum, Oubre, Rozier, Hayward or all of the above the Hornets need to ship out Bouk and hopefully hood wink the other side into sending a middling second or a prospect buried on that teams bench.

[Liver_Pooty]

Clearing cap space is stuff teams like the Lakers do. No one wants to come here. You ride out the Hayward contract unless someone offers a first and you do the same with Rozier (I'm certain someone would offer a protected first for rozier). Clearing cap space does nothing right now

I disagree, we can keep Rozier if we want but Hayward, Plumlee and Oubre aren't in Charlotte's future and better off being dealt. If none of the "bigger" Russ deals work out, there is some support on the Lakers board around a Russ for Hayward swap, I think that's smart for Charlotte to get out from Gordon's deal 1st or not. I'm more neutral on Rozier, I think he's a bit overpaid, but not too big of a ballhog and the type of veteran our locker room will need to have around. Russ should be bought out and let go to a contender, lest the Hornets risk its lotto positioning.

I think whatever deal Charlotte does, whether its Plum, Oubre, Rozier, Hayward or all of the above the Hornets need to ship out Bouk and hopefully hood wink the other side into sending a middling second or a prospect buried on that teams bench.

Plum and Oubre are expirings so if we can get something for them great. If not oh well. I'm talking mainly about Hayward and Rozier.

[NCHeels2008]

Clearing cap space is stuff teams like the Lakers do. No one wants to come here. You ride out the Hayward contract unless someone offers a first and you do the same with Rozier (I'm certain someone would offer a protected first for rozier). Clearing cap space does nothing right now

I disagree, we can keep Rozier if we want but Hayward, Plumlee and Oubre aren't in Charlotte's future and better off being dealt. If none of the "bigger" Russ deals work out, there is some support on the Lakers board around a Russ for Hayward swap, I think that's smart for Charlotte to get out from Gordon's deal 1st or not. I'm more neutral on Rozier, I think he's a bit overpaid, but not too big of a ballhog and the type of veteran our locker room will need to have around. Russ should be bought out and let go to a contender, lest the Hornets risk its lotto positioning.

I think whatever deal Charlotte does, whether its Plum, Oubre, Rozier, Hayward or all of the above the Hornets need to ship out Bouk and hopefully hood wink the other side into sending a middling second or a prospect buried on that teams bench.

Plum and Oubre are expirings so if we can get something for them great. If not oh well. I'm talking mainly about Hayward and Rozier.

What's the point in keeping Hayward? I'd rather use that space to take on bad deals for picks or a flyer on a young guy in FA.

[Liver_Pooty]

I disagree, we can keep Rozier if we want but Hayward, Plumlee and Oubre aren't in Charlotte's future and better off being dealt. If none of the "bigger" Russ deals work out, there is some support on the Lakers board around a Russ for Hayward swap, I think that's smart for Charlotte to get out from Gordon's deal 1st or not. I'm more neutral on Rozier, I think he's a bit overpaid, but not too big of a ballhog and the type of veteran our locker room will need to have around. Russ should be bought out and let go to a contender, lest the Hornets risk its lotto positioning.

I think whatever deal Charlotte does, whether its Plum, Oubre, Rozier, Hayward or all of the above the Hornets need to ship out Bouk and hopefully hood wink the other side into sending a middling second or a prospect buried on that teams bench.

Plum and Oubre are expirings so if we can get something for them great. If not oh well. I'm talking mainly about Hayward and Rozier.

What's the point in keeping Hayward? I'd rather use that space to take on bad deals for picks or a flyer on a young guy in FA.

I don't want to take on any bad deals period. Yeah sure on a young guy.

[NCHeels2008]

Plum and Oubre are expirings so if we can get something for them great. If not oh well. I'm talking mainly about Hayward and Rozier.

What's the point in keeping Hayward? I'd rather use that space to take on bad deals for picks or a flyer on a young guy in FA.

I don't want to take on any bad deals period. Yeah sure on a young guy.

you would rather have an expiring old broken down hayward than a bad deal and a pick for taking said bad deal?

[JDR720]

He is expiring after next season. I'd swap him for similar contract though. Either one that expires the same year Haywards does or 1 extra year. Not a 3-4 year contract.

Randomly thought of: Are we still paying Batum? This is one of the main reasons I'd rather not add more long term money in a bad contract.

[bravor]

It is last year Batum's dead money

But you can't trade Hayward without either having figured out what will be Bridges's situation (from contract to suspension) nor before the draft if you dont trade for a good wing (Herb, Eason or whatever youngster that can fill the bill).
The absolute goal should be to lock one of the first two picks, because it makes everything easier from that (keep the pick or trade for two all star level guys for instance).
Imagine drafting Scoot. you have plenty of franchise missing a quality pg, and you could expect a fantastic return.

But for now there are high demand for quality wings in the league. You just dont give up Hayward for nothing. No matter what the biased fans wish or think. The very proof is the asking price for OG or any potential wing that could become available.

[Goodecharlotte]

I'd like to think PJ,Rozier & a fully fit Hayward would be worth 1st Rd picks, however Gordon ain't always fit. Plumdog would get a 2nd but I'd keep Kelly I think he gets a bad rap on here. If he came of the bench as an impact scorer his defence is adequate as well

[amcoolio]

Cap space is very important. OKC was able to get a 15th pick just for taking a contract with 1 year left.

Also, its much easier to trade for a disgruntled star if you offer a huge TPE and no contracts back.

Rozier, Hayward, PJ, Oubre, Plumlee do not matter to us. Its sad but its the truth. You can get all their contracts off the books, and next year the team is either the same or better without them. PJ Washington doesn't buy wins. You can just draft, sign or trade for players that other teams don't want for similar production. None are top 100 NBA players.

I'd rather have a clean capsheet and take other people's bad contracts for picks than endure what we are doing now. LaMelo's growth and whether or not we get Wemby is what matters right now. You can surround him with players like Terry or PJ when he is ready to win, easy.

[MPM]

Rozier, Hayward, PJ, Oubre, Plumlee do not matter to us. Its sad but its the truth. You can get all their contracts off the books, and next year the team is either the same or better without them. PJ Washington doesn't buy wins. You can just draft, sign or trade for players that other teams don't want for similar production. None are top 100 NBA players.

100%

[Goodecharlotte]

Could we send Gordon to the Nets and Plumlee to the Lakers in the Kyrie trade, and we receive Westbrook and 1st round draft considerations?

[fatlever]

oddly enough, both terry and hayward would actually fit well next to durant

terry-curry-hayward-durant-claxton (anything out of simmons a bonus) is still solid enough to make some noise in the east

[fatlever]

i'll try...

out: gordon, terry
in: westbrook, 1rp from lakers

out: kyrie, harris
in: gordon, terry, lonnie, 1rp from lakers

out: westbrook, lonnie
in: kyrie, harris

lakers only willing to give up two 1rps w/ some assurances kyrie would resign. are nets getting too much for a player who wont resign? are hornets willing to cut bait on both terry and gordon to get a clean cap and future 1rp?

who says no?

[HornetJail]

oddly enough, both terry and hayward would actually fit well next to durant

terry-curry-hayward-durant-claxton (anything out of simmons a bonus) is still solid enough to make some noise in the east

If Simmons can get his head out of his rectum and Hayward manages to play a stretch of games without tearing something, Simmons/Terry/Hayward/Durant/Claxton is actually a fantastic starting 5

[SWedd523]

i'll try...

out: gordon, terry
in: westbrook, 1rp from lakers

out: kyrie, harris
in: gordon, terry, lonnie, 1rp from lakers

out: westbrook, lonnie
in: kyrie, harris

lakers only willing to give up two 1rps w/ some assurances kyrie would resign. are nets getting too much for a player who wont resign? are hornets willing to cut bait on both terry and gordon to get a clean cap and future 1rp?

who says no?

I do. The Lakers win that trade going away. **** that