Durant has to be available now, right?

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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#41 » by bebopdeluxe » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:42 pm

ben10simmons wrote:Nets have a better roster now than when KD almost eliminated the Bucks (Harden played but only shot .306 field and 10.8 ppg).
And Kyrie only played half that series, whereas now we have Dinwiddie for every game.
So we can still make the NBA Finals.


The only way the Nets are going deep now is if Simmons is on the bench...which, of course, they should do. GIven their current setup, and losing a closer like Kyrie, they will simply not be able to play Simmons more than 20 minutes a game - the guy just doesn't score enough - and you certainly can't have him out there in the 4th quarter of games in May (as Sixers fans know only too well).

We will see if it happens.

My guess is Marks made this trade knowing 1) they cannot count on Simmons, and 2) if/when he comes back, he will be coming off the bench. And here's the thing - Simmons won't GAF. The check still clears every two weeks.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#42 » by facothomas22 » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:46 pm

I think the Nets will wait until the off season before they trade him. I wonder however if DFS + a additional 1st round pick they got from the Mavericks will be enough to get them Trae Young or Pascal Siakam(very likely no, who then again who knows).
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#43 » by Xatticus » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:46 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I was actually thinking OKC makes a lot of sense. They have a million draft picks and young players. Shai + Durant would be a great 1-2 punch.


Durant's departure was acrimonious and it couldn't get done regardless as OKC doesn't have the matching salary.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#44 » by Lockdown504090 » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:48 pm

Warriors outta do it. Both sides got nothing to lose
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#45 » by SkyBill40 » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:51 pm

facothomas22 wrote:I think the Nets will wait until the off season before they trade him. I wonder however if DFS + a additional 1st round pick they got from the Mavericks will be enough to get them Trae Young or Pascal Siakam(very likely no, who then again who knows).
Simple answer? Uh... NO.

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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#46 » by BBallFreak » Sun Feb 5, 2023 9:59 pm

Paradise wrote:
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Michael Jordan wrote:If they're done making moves and plan to compete with this then his camp better demand a trade.

I agree. They better be looking to trade for a guy who can actually help Durant score. Otherwise, they're looking at another first round sweep IMO. They have nice role players and much better depth now, but they only have one scoring option.

Pg: Dinwiddie / Mills
Sg: Simmons / Curry
Sf: Durant / Thomas / Harris
Pf: DFS / O'Neal / Warren
Cc: Claxton /

If you collapse on Durant, who's really hurting you when it counts? Dinwiddie is the only option, and he's just sorta meh...

Lol We have plenty of scoring elsewhere.

Not from what I can see...
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#47 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:04 pm

baksuzz wrote:
TravisScott55 wrote:they are trading him in the summer for sure


i could see a trade to Denver for murray/MPJ+picks if Denver doesnt have success this playoffs. Nets get win now young players and Nuggets could not get a better guy next to Jokic then Durant on both sides of the floor

Denver should go all in for Durant right now
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#48 » by Marvin Martian » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:09 pm

Paradise wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:They should prepare a package involving Simmons and picks to bring in win now players

Why?

Our defense just spiked with Finney Smith, Royce Oneale, Clax, Ben all on the same lineup.

That literally makes no sense and this current lineup actually now can properly matchup with others like Cleveland.

Defensively yes, offensively no. Right now there is no one aside from KD that you can trust to get you at least 20 ppg. Thomas is unproven, and Dinwiddle is meh. A package for OG would be amazing for the Nets
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#49 » by basketballRob » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:10 pm

KD for Middleton and some picks.

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Post#50 » by byeganyo » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:17 pm

why not go for VanVleet with the draft pick they got?
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#51 » by Mamba81p » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:18 pm

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baller16 wrote:They're probably working on a trade for another star. This is their only chance to compete for a ring for the forseeable future


If they were in a win-now mode, I think they should have just kept Kyrie until the end of this season and let him leave for free.


I don't think you can compete with an unhappy Kyrie. Either they should have extended him or trade for another star. If they can't get another star, they should trade KD.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#52 » by picc » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:20 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:They should prepare a package involving Simmons and picks to bring in win now players

Why?

Our defense just spiked with Finney Smith, Royce Oneale, Clax, Ben all on the same lineup.

That literally makes no sense and this current lineup actually now can properly matchup with others like Cleveland.

Defensively yes, offensively no. Right now there is no one aside from KD that you can trust to get you at least 20 ppg. Thomas is unproven, and Dinwiddle is meh. A package for OG would be amazing for the Nets


Yeah they don't have the explosiveness to get out of the east now. They were already underdogs and now they just lost a B-level star. Simmons is going to be useless in the playoffs as usual so its pretty much Durant and Dinwiddie to handle the scoring, with Seth Curry chipping in. Good enough for a 2nd round or maybe a WCF. Not explosive enough to win anything meaningful.

If I'm KD, i'm putting my trade request back in. No sense in wasting another year of your career so that message board posters don't call you a team hopper again.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#53 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:26 pm

picc wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:
Paradise wrote:Why?

Our defense just spiked with Finney Smith, Royce Oneale, Clax, Ben all on the same lineup.

That literally makes no sense and this current lineup actually now can properly matchup with others like Cleveland.

Defensively yes, offensively no. Right now there is no one aside from KD that you can trust to get you at least 20 ppg. Thomas is unproven, and Dinwiddle is meh. A package for OG would be amazing for the Nets


Yeah they don't have the explosiveness to get out of the east now. They were already underdogs and now they just lost a B-level star. Simmons is going to be useless in the playoffs as usual so its pretty much Durant and Dinwiddie to handle the scoring, with Seth Curry chipping in. Good enough for a 2nd round or maybe a WCF. Not explosive enough to win anything meaningful.

If I'm KD, i'm putting my trade request back in. No sense in wasting another year of your career so that message board posters don't call you a team hopper again.


Brooklyn would be facing one of Boston/Milly/Philly……no way they sniff the conference finals.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#54 » by picc » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:28 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
picc wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Defensively yes, offensively no. Right now there is no one aside from KD that you can trust to get you at least 20 ppg. Thomas is unproven, and Dinwiddle is meh. A package for OG would be amazing for the Nets


Yeah they don't have the explosiveness to get out of the east now. They were already underdogs and now they just lost a B-level star. Simmons is going to be useless in the playoffs as usual so its pretty much Durant and Dinwiddie to handle the scoring, with Seth Curry chipping in. Good enough for a 2nd round or maybe a WCF. Not explosive enough to win anything meaningful.

If I'm KD, i'm putting my trade request back in. No sense in wasting another year of your career so that message board posters don't call you a team hopper again.


Brooklyn would be facing one of Boston/Milly/Philly……no way they sniff the conference finals.


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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#55 » by WestbrookGOATed » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:34 pm

NZB2323 wrote:I was actually thinking OKC makes a lot of sense. They have a million draft picks and young players. Shai + Durant would be a great 1-2 punch.
I read an article about this earlier. I think all OKC fans can agree with me that we'd welcome him back with open arms. If we could get him without trading Giddey or Jalen Willams that is. I think we could easily put together the best package of draft picks to jumpstart Brooklyn's hypothetical rebuild.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#56 » by John Murdoch » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:35 pm

Now? He demanded a trade before the friggin season even started
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#57 » by Phreak50 » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:36 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Michael Jordan wrote:If they're done making moves and plan to compete with this then his camp better demand a trade.

I agree. They better be looking to trade for a guy who can actually help Durant score. Otherwise, they're looking at another first round sweep IMO. They have nice role players and much better depth now, but they only have one scoring option.

Pg: Dinwiddie / Mills
Sg: Simmons / Curry
Sf: Durant / Thomas / Harris
Pf: DFS / O'Neal / Warren
Cc: Claxton /

If you collapse on Durant, who's really hurting you when it counts? Dinwiddie is the only option, and he's just sorta meh...


Simmons isn't playing again.

He barely played when he could hide behind two all-stars.

Not to mention he sulked for a year when his previous coach publicly called him out so he will likely do the same after what Vaughan said.
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#58 » by DonPatelli » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:39 pm

I feel the Wizards have a good chance to bring Kevin Durant home. He won two rings with the Warriors went to Brooklyn to create a new environment and win a ring with a group of new players to solidify his legacy. It didn't quite work out due to some issues out of his control and when it even seemed like the Nets were clicking Durant recently suffers a minor injury and Kyie Irving is just now traded. Kevin Durant being 34 now is still a great player, a current top 5 player, who can still play until he is 40 because of his skill and love for the game. I feel he has still 4 more years of premium basketball left, and his scoring prowess will never leave him. I feel he always wanted to end his career in Washington or at least join the team at a time when they had a chance to win a ring and if it all made sense from a management, coaching and players on the team perspective. I feel now is a time that makes sense for both the Washington Wizards and Kevin Durant to join forces.

The following trade makes sense and checks out.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7658133

Incoming Players
Kevin Durant
34 year old, 6-10, 225 lb SF from Texas
29.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 36.0 minutes in 2022-2023
David Duke
23 year old, 6-4, 207 lb SG from Providence
3.0 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 9.0 minutes in 2022-2023

Outgoing Players
Will Barton
32 year old, 6-5, 181 lb GF from Memphis
7.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.5 apg in 19.7 minutes in 2022-2023
Kyle Kuzma
27 year old, 6-10, 221 lb F from Utah
21.3 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 34.9 minutes in 2022-2023
Delon Wright
30 year old, 6-5, 185 lb G from Utah
6.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.4 apg in 21.8 minutes in 2022-2023
Johnny Davis
20 year old, 6-5, 195 lb F from Wisconsin
1.1 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.0 minutes in 2022-2023

Also the Wizards would probably have to give up their next 3 1st round drafts of some combination of draft picks, I'm thinking 2 first rounds picks, and a second-round pick gets it done.

The Wizards then have a starting lineup of Monte Morris, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Kristaps-Porzingis and Daniel Gafford. They also have a pretty good bench that they can continually improve on. The DNA makeup of this is a great team with a strong 4-year window to win an NBA Championship Ring.

The Nets then have a starting lineup of Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, Kyle Kuzma, Ben Simmons, Nic Claxton
And they would have a boat load of draft picks from the Mavericks and Wizards to continue to rebuild and move forward to be in contention for a long time.

Thoughts?

I would also like to see other RealGMer's put together their trade checkers so we can all share and give insight.
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Post#59 » by magee » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:54 pm

Durant, Joe Harris, Patty Mills, maybe Cam Thomas, too, the rights to Christian Drejer and a second round pick, for Jamal Murray, MPJ, Bones Hyland, Two First Rounders and One Pick Swap.

Two sticking points: Nic Claxton and the rights to Ismael Kamagate.*
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Re: Durant has to be available now, right? 

Post#60 » by RIPskaterdude » Sun Feb 5, 2023 10:59 pm

DonPatelli wrote:I feel the Wizards have a good chance to bring Kevin Durant home. He won two rings with the Warriors went to Brooklyn to create a new environment and win a ring with a group of new players to solidify his legacy. It didn't quite work out due to some issues out of his control and when it even seemed like the Nets were clicking Durant recently suffers a minor injury and Kyie Irving is just now traded. Kevin Durant being 34 now is still a great player, a current top 5 player, who can still play until he is 40 because of his skill and love for the game. I feel he has still 4 more years of premium basketball left, and his scoring prowess will never leave him. I feel he always wanted to end his career in Washington or at least join the team at a time when they had a chance to win a ring and if it all made sense from a management, coaching and players on the team perspective. I feel now is a time that makes sense for both the Washington Wizards and Kevin Durant to join forces.

The following trade makes sense and checks out.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7658133

Incoming Players
Kevin Durant
34 year old, 6-10, 225 lb SF from Texas
29.7 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 5.3 apg in 36.0 minutes in 2022-2023
David Duke
23 year old, 6-4, 207 lb SG from Providence
3.0 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 0.9 apg in 9.0 minutes in 2022-2023

Outgoing Players
Will Barton
32 year old, 6-5, 181 lb GF from Memphis
7.5 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 2.5 apg in 19.7 minutes in 2022-2023
Kyle Kuzma
27 year old, 6-10, 221 lb F from Utah
21.3 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 34.9 minutes in 2022-2023
Delon Wright
30 year old, 6-5, 185 lb G from Utah
6.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.4 apg in 21.8 minutes in 2022-2023
Johnny Davis
20 year old, 6-5, 195 lb F from Wisconsin
1.1 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.0 minutes in 2022-2023

Also the Wizards would probably have to give up their next 3 1st round drafts of some combination of draft picks, I'm thinking 2 first rounds picks, and a second-round pick gets it done.

The Wizards then have a starting lineup of Monte Morris, Bradley Beal, Kevin Durant, Kristaps-Porzingis and Daniel Gafford. They also have a pretty good bench that they can continually improve on. The DNA makeup of this is a great team with a strong 4-year window to win an NBA Championship Ring.

The Nets then have a starting lineup of Spencer Dinwiddie, Dorian Finney-Smith, Kyle Kuzma, Ben Simmons, Nic Claxton
And they would have a boat load of draft picks from the Mavericks and Wizards to continue to rebuild and move forward to be in contention for a long time.

Thoughts?

I would also like to see other RealGMer's put together their trade checkers so we can all share and give insight.
Kuzma being the best player going to Brooklyn in return to KD
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