2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[BobbieL]

Not only that but he is currently injured which could mean Nets could accept a reasonable deal.

So trading multiple players and draft picks for a player who is hurt? Is there a time line for him returning ?

Just not a good idea to me

I thought we should have traded for Kyrie but JJ decided that he wasn't worth a pick or two.

Nobody else movies the needle and CP3 won't be playing forever.

I truly never saw what an Irving package would have been

[WeekapaugGroove]

All the Brooklyn and Toronto noise but I still think Charlotte is the most likely trade partner. With either Rozier or Hayward coming back.

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[lilfishi22]

Would have to be a 3 teamer to a team who wants Ayton and has a player they may accept for starters. The Raps come to mind. Ayton to the Raps, OG Boucher, Crowder + a couple of our 1st to Brooklyn, Durant to Phx

My guess is the nets want to surround durant with better players. Not subtract

And as BWG said - why are the subs wanting a 35 year old oft injured player. I get the talent but how many years in a row has he been hurt

What the Nets wanted has blown up in their faces. Durant didn't join the Nets because of the front office, he was recruited SPECIFICALLY by Kyrie Irving and would have never gone there if not for him. Now that Kyrie is gone, I dont think he has allegiance to them long term.

He never had allegiance to Brooklyn. Brooklyn was literally one of two places (both in NY) that had the structure to bring on both himself and Kyrie on board. Not suggesting they would've teamed up Charlotte or like INdy even if they had the capacity but it wasn't like they went to Brooklyn because they had ties there. It's just a great city, they had the ability to put a team together and that's about it.

Now that Kyrie is gone, I don't think KD is going to be there long term. I just don't see it how he would want to be like the only star level player on that team and dragging a roster of eh players into the playoffs. Dude is 34, not 24.

[Jdiddy701]

Something else to keep in mind, if the Suns trade for Durant, Kyrie Irving is a free agent this offseason. The Mavs could literally lose him for nothing. If KD is with the Suns, Kyrie could reunite with KD and sign with the Suns - would be awesome for that to happen to Dallas. I don’t understand much about cap space, so excuse me if it’s not possibility.


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[sunskerr]

So trading multiple players and draft picks for a player who is hurt? Is there a time line for him returning ?

Just not a good idea to me

I thought we should have traded for Kyrie but JJ decided that he wasn't worth a pick or two.

Nobody else movies the needle and CP3 won't be playing forever.

I truly never saw what an Irving package would have been

Im guessing the Nets wanted Dinwiddie instead of CP3. But I wouldnt be surprised if Jones never even offered CP3, and if he didn't even try I'd be very angry.

[lilfishi22]

Something else to keep in mind, if the Suns trade for Durant, Kyrie Irving is a free agent this offseason. The Mavs could literally lose him for nothing. If KD is with the Suns, Kyrie could reunite with KD and sign with the Suns - would be awesome for that to happen to Dallas. I don’t understand much about cap space, so excuse me if it’s not possibility.


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Unless things just become absolutely untenable between the two stars, I don't see Kyrie leaving. Kyrie is motivated to be on a competitive team and he's motivated to get paid. Dallas is competitive and Cuban is going to pay whatever to keep Kyrie.

[BobbieL]

All the Brooklyn and Toronto noise but I still think Charlotte is the most likely trade partner. With either Rozier or Hayward coming back.

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If Hayward is healthy - have thought he would be really good for the bench.

Crowder to milwAukee if those seconds are in play and add Shamet (payne or Saric ) plus “milwAukee players” to Charlotte

In fact this link has trades the Hornets could make - and this one is for Rozier - but I can see something similar with Hayward back to the Suns. Granted - my guess Crowder goes to the Bucks and Saric to the Hornets. Rozier would probably get the Hornets and FRP

But in this deal Suns are replacing Saric Crowder and Shamet for Allen and Rozier. I don't hate it

https://clture.org/charlotte-hornets-trade-deadline/

[TeamTragic]

Something else to keep in mind, if the Suns trade for Durant, Kyrie Irving is a free agent this offseason. The Mavs could literally lose him for nothing. If KD is with the Suns, Kyrie could reunite with KD and sign with the Suns - would be awesome for that to happen to Dallas. I don’t understand much about cap space, so excuse me if it’s not possibility.


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Unless things just become absolutely untenable between the two stars, I don't see Kyrie leaving. Kyrie is motivated to be on a competitive team and he's motivated to get paid. Dallas is competitive and Cuban is going to pay whatever to keep Kyrie.

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Something else to keep in mind, if the Suns trade for Durant, Kyrie Irving is a free agent this offseason. The Mavs could literally lose him for nothing. If KD is with the Suns, Kyrie could reunite with KD and sign with the Suns - would be awesome for that to happen to Dallas. I don’t understand much about cap space, so excuse me if it’s not possibility.


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Unless things just become absolutely untenable between the two stars, I don't see Kyrie leaving. Kyrie is motivated to be on a competitive team and he's motivated to get paid. Dallas is competitive and Cuban is going to pay whatever to keep Kyrie.

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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[BobbieL]

Unless things just become absolutely untenable between the two stars, I don't see Kyrie leaving. Kyrie is motivated to be on a competitive team and he's motivated to get paid. Dallas is competitive and Cuban is going to pay whatever to keep Kyrie.

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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Always thought any trade of Cp3 would have to be him wanting to go out. Too much respect. Can’t do him dirty

Plus the suns are finally looking like the suns. Or getting there

[lilfishi22]

Unless things just become absolutely untenable between the two stars, I don't see Kyrie leaving. Kyrie is motivated to be on a competitive team and he's motivated to get paid. Dallas is competitive and Cuban is going to pay whatever to keep Kyrie.

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Timeline of Events:

1) Honeymoon period where they look unstoppable together.

2) A shouting match on the sidelines that they both laugh off to the media as "competitive spirit."

3) A mysteriously missed game, but the organization has his back.

4) A disappointing playoff exit.

5) Kyrie walks in free agency despite the Mavs making a strong offer.

[lilfishi22]

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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Always thought any trade of Cp3 would have to be him wanting to go out. Too much respect. Can’t do him dirty

Plus the suns are finally looking like the suns. Or getting there

Agree a CP3 trade should have his blessing (even if some think treating the guy like a journeyman is fine) and because of that, a trade is just not likely.

That said, it doesn't mean we should or need to consider CP3 in any trades ie it doesn't matter if the incoming player plays his position or isn't necessarily a good fit with CP3. Every decision should be based on a post-CP3 Suns

[dremill24]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

[TeamTragic]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

[lilfishi22]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

KD didn't join the Nets because he thought they could build around him. He joined the Nets because he thought they could build around him and Kyrie. It's a different calculus now that package deal is no longer. Not saying he's guaranteed to be traded before the deadline or necessarily this offseason but I would be surprised if the Nets doesn't receive enough decent offers to let him go elsewhere. Even KD himself has kinda burned some bridges in Brooklyn too with his "trade me" demand this offseason.

[Slim Charless]

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Timeline of Events:

1) Honeymoon period where they look unstoppable together.

2) A shouting match on the sidelines that they both laugh off to the media as "competitive spirit."

3) A mysteriously missed game, but the organization has his back.

4) A disappointing playoff exit.

5) Kyrie walks in free agency despite the Mavs making a strong offer.

Don't the Mavs have his bird rights now? So they can offer the most if that's the case. I think any Kyrie induced nonsense will wait till he signs the new deal. Dallas almost has to sign him too, after losing Brunson for nothing they can't do the same thing again. I would guess at least

[WeekapaugGroove]

Mavs GM and Kyrie are buddies which does help because he knows what to expect.

Cuban pays Kyrie if he plays well with Luka. If not then Mavs have cap space.

You have to take a risk sometimes JJ.

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Timeline of Events:

1) Honeymoon period where they look unstoppable together.

2) A shouting match on the sidelines that they both laugh off to the media as "competitive spirit."

3) A mysteriously missed game, but the organization has his back.

4) A disappointing playoff exit.

5) Kyrie walks in free agency despite the Mavs making a strong offer.

Actually I'd say a worse scenario for Dallas is they sign him to a 5yr 250 mil (yes that's the insane number he can sign for this summer) and then he goes all Kyrie.

Starts a podcast with Alex Jones and Kanye and calls Silver a Lizard person who smells like sulfur or something.

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[lonea]

Not only that but he is currently injured which could mean Nets could accept a reasonable deal.

So trading multiple players and draft picks for a player who is hurt? Is there a time line for him returning ?

Just not a good idea to me. Ayton maybe Cam J, a few picks. That’s it Even that - you are mortgaging your futurec

If you can 3 way for him primarily with Ayton and filler, you do that. Cam and Bridges could be safe.

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

[TeamTragic]

So trading multiple players and draft picks for a player who is hurt? Is there a time line for him returning ?

Just not a good idea to me. Ayton maybe Cam J, a few picks. That’s it Even that - you are mortgaging your futurec

If you can 3 way for him primarily with Ayton and filler, you do that. Cam and Bridges could be safe.

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

Where did CamJo say he wants 30M+?

[lonea]

If you can 3 way for him primarily with Ayton and filler, you do that. Cam and Bridges could be safe.

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

Where did CamJo say he wants 30M+?

That's the whole reason he didn't want to extend with Suns.

If he wants Bridges money, which is around 20M per. Would've extended already. Suns prob offered him 15M.

There will be teams that offer him 30M, if not. At least 25M. The market is hot for shooters.