2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[lilfishi22]

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Timeline of Events:

1) Honeymoon period where they look unstoppable together.

2) A shouting match on the sidelines that they both laugh off to the media as "competitive spirit."

3) A mysteriously missed game, but the organization has his back.

4) A disappointing playoff exit.

5) Kyrie walks in free agency despite the Mavs making a strong offer.

Don't the Mavs have his bird rights now? So they can offer the most if that's the case. I think any Kyrie induced nonsense will wait till he signs the new deal. Dallas almost has to sign him too, after losing Brunson for nothing they can't do the same thing again. I would guess at least

They certainly should be the front runner to re-sign him. Mavs biggest competitor is probably the Lakers who will have cap space this offseason. But the fact that he's going to be a UFA means if he gets to the offseason without a new deal (ie he can extend for 2yrs right now) then Kyrie could potentially be courted by other teams. I mean, I think it's highly unlikely he'll leave or that the Mavs won't resign him under pretty much any circumstances but the fact remains:

- if it doesn't work out as well as they hoped
- if Kyrie doesn't feel like he's working out with Luka as well as he hoped
- If Luka doesn't feel like he's working out with Kyrie as well as he hoped
- if Kyrie does something that makes it really untenable for the Mavs to resign him

There's a chance, a small chance, Mavs just can't re-sign him or Kyrie might just want to go elsewhere

[lilfishi22]

Mavs will have cap space but him leaving would still be a pretty big L for them. It would have cost them a 2029 unprotected pick, DFS and Dinwiddie both guys who if you just simply trade them you would get something back in return. Those weren't bad contract type throw ins. I don't hate the move for Dallas, I don't trust Kyrie but I understand why Dallas took the chance.

One difference for Phoenix is if Kyrie walked they STILL wouldn't have space because of Booker, Bridges, and Aytons contracts. Plus let's not forget that CP and Booker share an agent and doing CP dirty if he didn't want to leave could cause some issues there.

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I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Timeline of Events:

1) Honeymoon period where they look unstoppable together.

2) A shouting match on the sidelines that they both laugh off to the media as "competitive spirit."

3) A mysteriously missed game, but the organization has his back.

4) A disappointing playoff exit.

5) Kyrie walks in free agency despite the Mavs making a strong offer.

Actually I'd say a worse scenario for Dallas is they sign him to a 5yr 250 mil (yes that's the insane number he can sign for this summer) and then he goes all Kyrie.

Starts a podcast with Alex Jones and Kanye and calls Silver a Lizard person who smells like sulfur or something.

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I didn't even think that far but certainly that's a possibility. Signing him long term means you're going to have to deal with his schtick for the time he's a Mav.

[lilfishi22]

So trading multiple players and draft picks for a player who is hurt? Is there a time line for him returning ?

Just not a good idea to me. Ayton maybe Cam J, a few picks. That’s it Even that - you are mortgaging your futurec

If you can 3 way for him primarily with Ayton and filler, you do that. Cam and Bridges could be safe.

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

[dremill24]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

KD didn't join the Nets because he thought they could build around him. He joined the Nets because he thought they could build around him and Kyrie. It's a different calculus now that package deal is no longer. Not saying he's guaranteed to be traded before the deadline or necessarily this offseason but I would be surprised if the Nets doesn't receive enough decent offers to let him go elsewhere. Even KD himself has kinda burned some bridges in Brooklyn too with his "trade me" demand this offseason.

I mean KD is quite a wild card himself so him asking out cant be ruled out I suppose (though we see how that went last time). But the Nets FO haa demonstrated they're trying to win, and that is made much easier with KD on the roster. I dunno, obviously I'm no prophet and could easily be proven wrong but to me the 'evidence' leans much more toward them keeping him than trying to move him.

[TeamTragic]

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Don't tell me the SUNS could not have made a better offer.

[lonea]

If you can 3 way for him primarily with Ayton and filler, you do that. Cam and Bridges could be safe.

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

[TeamTragic]

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571


Cam is getting at least 25M.

Since we have a new owner who can afford CamJo we should pay him unless he is being unreasonable.

[bwgood77]

No way Damion Lee is out of the rotation, no matter size needed or whatever.

Monty trusts him and he is gonna play meaningful minutes at 2/3 even with a full healthy roster. He has played so far on every single game averaging over 22 mpg.

OTOH I think Okogie will be completely out of the rotation because he isn't reliable on offense.

I had Lee in the small ball backup unit. The second Lee I mentioned for 3rd string was Saben Lee. Who do you think Lee is ahead of in the 2nd unit. Shamet? I don't necessarily think Shamet is better but I do think Monty likes him as a secondary ball handler, and I don't see Lee ahead of Craig. But maybe Craig plays PF no matter what.

I think the main lineup WOULD be that small ball unit and that they should go back to Saric at backup C like in the bubble and our finals season where he was often great until the playoffs. Payne is better with him too. Which would put Lee at the 3. But we could still use some bigger lineups too depending on matchups with one of the other Cs even though neither has been consistently really good.

We likely will always have at least one injury. Payne's might be more serious and Shamet may play backup PG with Lee, Craig, Saric and Biz/Landale.

I think that Damion Lee is now ahead of Shamet on the rotation and possibly ahead of every other bench player.

Maybe he should be ahead of Shamet but you may forget...Monty LOVES him some Shamet. Can Lee handle as well? I think Craig is ahead of any bench player, primarily due to being able to back up 3 and 4 and is hitting over 39% from 3. Payne, when playing well, is also more important than Lee. I really like Lee and great shooters so he would likely still get a lot of minutes. But lets face it, it is extremely likely that one of Payne, Shamet or Booker is out down the stretch and/or the playoffs and Lee will be key in the regular rotation.

[starbosa10]

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Don't tell me the SUNS could not have made a better offer.

Why would we offer more than the Clippers or Mavs for a pending UFA that ends up in a toxic relationship everywhere he goes

[bwgood77]

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How reliable and who is this John Rocha guy? Lol

Probably Flex' brother.

[bwgood77]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

Yeah, a lot of wishful thinking just like the summer. He hasn't even asked out. Now maybe if they really suck in the playoffs, but I'd be surprised if KD isn't healthy if they didn't at least make the second round and easily could make it further.

[Fo-Real]

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

One, we are not dumb like those organizations. And two, almost all of those dudes have been an Allstars at atleast one point.

[Slim Charless]

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Don't tell me the SUNS could not have made a better offer.

Why would we offer more than the Clippers or Mavs for a pending UFA that ends up in a toxic relationship everywhere he goes

That's a pretty good offer too. Mann plus what could be 3 FRPs? Nets must wanna compete....which means they wanna keep KD. At least till the summer.

This gives JJ an excuse to not do anything as well. I wonder if we pass on the trade deadline whether we'll hear "KD in the summer" stuff coming from the front office?

[bwgood77]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

KD didn't join the Nets because he thought they could build around him. He joined the Nets because he thought they could build around him and Kyrie. It's a different calculus now that package deal is no longer. Not saying he's guaranteed to be traded before the deadline or necessarily this offseason but I would be surprised if the Nets doesn't receive enough decent offers to let him go elsewhere. Even KD himself has kinda burned some bridges in Brooklyn too with his "trade me" demand this offseason.

Do you think he still absolutely loved playing with Kyrie the last two years? I mean even your good buddy, at some point if you are trying to win and he is sitting out because he didn't want to get a flu shot and then posted a video and got in trouble. He basically was VERY selfish at the detriment of the team. I think KD will enjoy playing with those guys...he already enjoyed playing on the team while Kyrie was out per multiple sources.

[bwgood77]

I don't hate it either. I think it's a move they had to make, they gave up relatively little assets and the gamble here is fine. As mentioned before, I'd rather he go to Dallas for pennies on the dollar rather than to one of the LA's.

I also think the biggest risk isn't him walking but rather him doing what he does at every stop and that's alienate fans/front office/players. He's going to play well, he's going to play a model NBA player but history shows it's just a matter of time.

Also found this on Reddit lol

Don't the Mavs have his bird rights now? So they can offer the most if that's the case. I think any Kyrie induced nonsense will wait till he signs the new deal. Dallas almost has to sign him too, after losing Brunson for nothing they can't do the same thing again. I would guess at least

They certainly should be the front runner to re-sign him. Mavs biggest competitor is probably the Lakers who will have cap space this offseason. But the fact that he's going to be a UFA means if he gets to the offseason without a new deal (ie he can extend for 2yrs right now) then Kyrie could potentially be courted by other teams. I mean, I think it's highly unlikely he'll leave or that the Mavs won't resign him under pretty much any circumstances but the fact remains:

- if it doesn't work out as well as they hoped
- if Kyrie doesn't feel like he's working out with Luka as well as he hoped
- If Luka doesn't feel like he's working out with Kyrie as well as he hoped
- if Kyrie does something that makes it really untenable for the Mavs to resign him

There's a chance, a small chance, Mavs just can't re-sign him or Kyrie might just want to go elsewhere

The Lakers won't have THAT much cap room. Even if they let Rui walk, it's still only around $20 million. I think a little less.

[lonea]

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

One, we are not dumb like those organizations. And two, almost all of those dudes have been an Allstars at atleast one point.

Suns are competing against "dumb organizations"...

But you do know that if the Suns don't want to lose Cam, they will have to match right?

Fun fact... Guess who's bottom 4th in terms of cap room next season. -> https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2023/

LOL, Cam is gone bro.

[bwgood77]

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Don't tell me the SUNS could not have made a better offer.

They could have, but the Clips didn't get him.

[bwgood77]

Cam't not getting $30 million anywhere. He will be lucky to get $20.

[TeamTragic]

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Dinos are open for business.

[lonea]

Cam't not getting $30 million anywhere. He will be lucky to get $20.

Ok sure, he'll get 20M. But Suns isn't gonna give him that.

If they do, they'll have a higher payroll than Warriors. You think that's happening? Haha

The bottom line is the number Cam wants is a number the Suns can't match, period.