2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[lilfishi22]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

KD didn't join the Nets because he thought they could build around him. He joined the Nets because he thought they could build around him and Kyrie. It's a different calculus now that package deal is no longer. Not saying he's guaranteed to be traded before the deadline or necessarily this offseason but I would be surprised if the Nets doesn't receive enough decent offers to let him go elsewhere. Even KD himself has kinda burned some bridges in Brooklyn too with his "trade me" demand this offseason.

I mean KD is quite a wild card himself so him asking out cant be ruled out I suppose (though we see how that went last time). But the Nets FO haa demonstrated they're trying to win, and that is made much easier with KD on the roster. I dunno, obviously I'm no prophet and could easily be proven wrong but to me the 'evidence' leans much more toward them keeping him than trying to move him.

I'm just not sure if the motivation on his end will be the same. He's always been a guy who just wants to hoop and sort of let offseason stuff stay in the offseason but with him already requesting a trade (when Kyrie was still around) last offseason, I think this season could be a lot of the same uncertainty around whether he wants to stick around or not.

I don't doubt the Nets want to keep him but KD might just want out

[lilfishi22]

Cam is gone man. There is no point to not trading Cam away.

He's gonna want 30M+.

Unless the Suns can unload CP + Ayton at the same time, this is time to trade for Cam for the best value.

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 (part of their core)
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0 (Legit star)
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0 (Overpaid)
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 (creator)
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0 (creator and all star)
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0 (lol)
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0 (multiple time champion)
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 (a tier or two higher than Cam)
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 (Overpaid currently)
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0 (solid role player)
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 (part of Blazer's future)


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

Which team is realistically willing to pay him $30m+? Like which team is paying $30m+ for a 27 year old who as just missed most of this season while averaging 14/4 in the games he has played? If anything, Cams is getting Bridges money

You really think if teams has cap space to spend on a player, they would spend $30m+ on Cam? And BTW max for Cam is $32m average

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Don't tell me the SUNS could not have made a better offer.

Why would we offer more than the Clippers or Mavs for a pending UFA that ends up in a toxic relationship everywhere he goes

That's a pretty good offer too. Mann plus what could be 3 FRPs? Nets must wanna compete....which means they wanna keep KD. At least till the summer.

This gives JJ an excuse to not do anything as well. I wonder if we pass on the trade deadline whether we'll hear "KD in the summer" stuff coming from the front office?

More likely he 'paases' on all the big moves people think are possible but really aren't because he can't actually trade your guy until this summer

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[Fo-Real]

Cam't not getting $30 million anywhere. He will be lucky to get $20.

Ok sure, he'll get 20M. But Suns isn't gonna give him that.

If they do, they'll have a higher payroll than Warriors. You think that's happening? Haha

The bottom line is the number Cam wants is a number the Suns can't match, period.

They will give Cam that and move on from Paul next year. He is owed less than 16 mil if we cut him, so we will either trade or waive him.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not sure how trading Kyrie for high end role players signals that the Nets are going to move KD. If anything it seems to hit the point home that they're trying to remain competitive with KD in tow.

Yeah, a lot of wishful thinking just like the summer. He hasn't even asked out. Now maybe if they really suck in the playoffs, but I'd be surprised if KD isn't healthy if they didn't at least make the second round and easily could make it further.

Should you be making predictions after saying Kyrie wouldn't be traded like 2 days ago


Just giving you some ****, I don't actually think KD gets moved next week either. Just doesn't really make sense at this point. This summer maybe.

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[lonea]

I really really doubt that is the case. There just isn't a market to support that. Like name me one team that is realistically going to give Cam $30m+

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 (part of their core)
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0 (Legit star)
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0 (Overpaid)
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 (creator)
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0 (creator and all star)
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0 (lol)
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0 (multiple time champion)
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 (a tier or two higher than Cam)
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 (Overpaid currently)
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0 (solid role player)
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 (part of Blazer's future)


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

Which team is realistically willing to pay him $30m+? Like which team is paying $30m+ for a 27 year old who as just missed most of this season while averaging 14/4 in the games he has played? If anything, Cams is getting Bridges money

You really think if teams has cap space to spend on a player, they would spend $30m+ on Cam? And BTW max for Cam is $32m average

Well, who will spend 28M for JJJ, or Anfernee Simson @ 22M. Hell, even John Collins at 25M.

The bottom line is, even at 20M, Suns can't afford him.

[Jdiddy701]

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Dinos are open for business.

Brooklyn, Phoenix and Toronto. Those three teams got what the other team has. James Jones met with Masai last week and I’m sure talked with Sean Marks this past offseason. Would be pretty upset if nothing happens this Thursday.


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[Fo-Real]

Sucks that the Mavs got Kyrie but I would much rather them over the Lakers or Clippers. He would have been a third star to either of them.

[bwgood77]

Cam't not getting $30 million anywhere. He will be lucky to get $20.

Ok sure, he'll get 20M. But Suns isn't gonna give him that.

If they do, they'll have a higher payroll than Warriors. You think that's happening? Haha

The bottom line is the number Cam wants is a number the Suns can't match, period.

They can match anything. But it depends on a lot of things as far as cap goes. Saric and Crowder expire for about $20 million. And then they could cut Paul and have a $15 million hit instead of $30.

Unless they trade Crowder for future salary...that might hinder it a bit. I think if they don't trade Saric they will probably resign him at very good value this summer, like $5 million a year.

[lonea]

Cam't not getting $30 million anywhere. He will be lucky to get $20.

Ok sure, he'll get 20M. But Suns isn't gonna give him that.

If they do, they'll have a higher payroll than Warriors. You think that's happening? Haha

The bottom line is the number Cam wants is a number the Suns can't match, period.

They can match anything. But it depends on a lot of things as far as cap goes. Saric and Crowder expire for about $20 million. And then they could cut Paul and have a $15 million hit instead of $30.

Unless they trade Crowder for future salary...that might hinder it a bit. I think if they don't trade Saric they will probably resign him at very good value this summer, like $5 million a year.

Yes, they can "match". But they'll be the same mediocre team or worse.

Are you looking forward to "Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges, Devin Booker" as the new big 3?

Let's be honest for a second here, the Achille's heel for the Suns is Ayton. Suns isn't winning anything with Ayton. The current core players didn't win and won't win. The Suns need to make a move.

Or are you one of "run it back" type of people...

[PhxLax]

Has that grifter Flex tweeted since the Kyrie to Dallas trade? Can't see cause he blocked me

Dude had a podcast two days ago about how he thinks Kyrie may be coming to Suns. And said on the podcast, "from what I'm hearing, he's not interested in Dallas." LOL. That podcast 48 hours ago aged really well

[TeamTragic]

Has that grifter Flex tweeted since the Kyrie to Dallas trade? Can't see cause he blocked me

Dude had a podcast two days ago about how he thinks Kyrie may be coming to Suns. And said on the podcast, "from what I'm hearing, he's not interested in Dallas." LOL. That podcast 48 hours ago aged really well

Flex said the SUNS were in on the deal as was reported. That doesn't mean they are only focused on Kyrie and as stated previously we were unwilling to trade CP3.

[matt131]

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So we wanted him wow

[Cutter]

Nets need to trade KD and go into rebuild mode with draft picks. I don't think they currently have many picks, but they could have at least one or two unprotected firsts after the KD trade. Also they could probably trade decent back up players like Dinwiddie for draft assets as well. They seem to keep trying to stay "competitive", time to rebuild however.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't even know why you think 30M for Cam is insane, it isn't even max money.

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44. Gordon Hayward $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
45. Jaren Jackson Jr $28,946,605 $27,102,202 $25,257,798 $23,413,395 (part of their core)
46. Kevin Love $28,942,830 $0 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
47. Jaylen Brown $28,741,071 $30,723,214 $0 $0 (Legit star)
48. Chris Paul $28,400,000 $30,800,000 $30,800,000 $0 (Overpaid)
49. Kyle Lowry $28,333,334 $29,682,540 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
50. Jalen Brunson $27,733,332 $26,346,666 $24,960,001 $24,960,001 (creator)
51. DeMar DeRozan $27,300,000 $28,600,000 $0 $0 (creator and all star)
52. Al Horford $26,500,000 $10,000,000 $9,500,000 $0 (lol)
53. Draymond Green $25,806,468 $27,586,224 $0 $0 (multiple time champion)
54. Julius Randle $23,760,000 $25,660,800 $27,561,600 $29,462,400 (a tier or two higher than Cam)
55. John Collins $23,500,000 $25,340,000 $26,580,000 $26,580,000 (Overpaid currently)
56. Mike Conley $22,680,000 $24,360,000 $0 $0 (Overpaid)
57. Malcolm Brogdon $22,600,000 $22,500,000 $22,500,000 $0 (solid role player)
58. Anfernee Simons $22,321,429 $24,107,143 $25,892,857 $27,678,571 (part of Blazer's future)


Cam is getting at least 25M. Look at the last 5 on the list.

Cam is a starter. There will be teams that will offer him starter money...

Which team is realistically willing to pay him $30m+? Like which team is paying $30m+ for a 27 year old who as just missed most of this season while averaging 14/4 in the games he has played? If anything, Cams is getting Bridges money

You really think if teams has cap space to spend on a player, they would spend $30m+ on Cam? And BTW max for Cam is $32m average

Well, who will spend 28M for JJJ, or Anfernee Simson @ 22M. Hell, even John Collins at 25M.

The bottom line is, even at 20M, Suns can't afford him.

If you're worried the new owner won't spend I'd just stop following the team. Going from one cheap fool to another would be too much for me so I'd be out. But I'll also wait until I have any reason to believe he's going to be cheap before worrying about it.

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[TeamTragic]

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So we wanted him wow

We offered CP3/Jae/picks for Kyrie and Nets went with Dinwiddie/DFS.

I guess we are ready to move CP3

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wow Paul wont be happy

[Qwigglez]

Did we really make this offer?

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[Cutter]

Another question about KD. This past off season Suns made a really strong attempt to get KD in trade, even hearing a lot of media about him really wanting to come to Suns after telling the Nets he wanted out. Did we learn whether he really wanted to come here or was he just using us, playing Suns off against other teams who were interested?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Nets need to trade KD and go into rebuild mode with draft picks. I don't think they currently have many picks, but they could have at least one or two unprotected firsts after the KD trade. Also they could probably trade decent back up players like Dinwiddie for draft assets as well. They seem to keep trying to stay "competitive", time to rebuild however.

They actually have next year's pick but at this point they could lose every game and still not have that good of odds.

The only real reason to even consider trading KD now is you worry offers get less next summer because he's a yr older. If I were a team trying to get him I would be telling the Nets that, and he does have more value to a team like Phoenix if they got him for this yrs playoffs. But the Nets probably still say no and assume good offers will still be there this summer, and they might be right.

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