OT: Art, Music, Literature, Media, Teachers & More!! - Part 3

[Ed Pinkney]

Saw one of my favourite artists Plini last night, it was awesome. Third time I've seen him live, but first time I didn't have to travel interstate to do so. Highly recommended if you like melodic, technical, instrumental, prog type music.

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[sam_I_am]

Cunk Earth on Netflix is hilarious especially if you enjoy history documentaries.

[Wes-J]

Saw one of my favourite artists Plini last night, it was awesome. Third time I've seen him live, but first time I didn't have to travel interstate to do so. Highly recommended if you like melodic, technical, instrumental, prog type music.

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[SuperDeluxe]

Just saw 'Glass Onion.' Really fun. Daniel Craig is brilliant in it. Janelle Monae and Edward Norton not far behind.

[Feed Your Head]

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[Ed Pinkney]

I never read any of Asimov's books in this series, but I really enjoyed the first season of Foundation. First look at Season 2 looks pretty good visually, hopefully they keep up the quality in the story again as well.

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[Memokerobi]

There was a devastating earthquake in my home country, Turkey, yesterday. Lots of lives lost and people still under rubble, please keep them in your thoughts

[bisme37]

There was a devastating earthquake in my home country, Turkey, yesterday. Lots of lives lost and people still under rubble, please keep them in your thoughts

Very sorry to hear that, buddy. Best of thoughts to you and your loved ones.

[Curmudgeon]

There was a devastating earthquake in my home country, Turkey, yesterday. Lots of lives lost and people still under rubble, please keep them in your thoughts

Spent six weeks in Turkey a few years ago. Wonderful country with wonderful people. This quake is very tragic, and I hope there will be an international effort so save as many people as possible.

[Captain_Caveman]

Last night’s ‘Last of Us’ is a prime example of a show being woke and agenda driven but brilliant. That was HBO at its finest.

This is a terrible. It was fairly strongly implied that they were a gay couple in the game, for starters. There are also tens of millions of people in the US that aren't heterosexual. A story about a gay couple is no less out of the ordinary than a story about a black, latinx, or interracial relationship.

But yes, brilliant.

[Captain_Caveman]

Episode 3 of The Last Of Us….

My first thoughts were “oh boy here comes another ‘woke’ agenda in unnecessary setting”, but it was incredibly emotional and vey well done. Again, I’ve got zero familiarity with the story of the game, but the episode was unexpected and told an entire story in about an hour which is impressive. I laughed a little too hard during “Ron Swanson giggle” of the strawberry scene, but glad they included it. This is the affection I’m used to seeing Nick Offerman show to another man though…

I know the game well and despite knowing that Bill is a gay man, this episode came as a surprise. The biggest surprise being is how much they invested in this back story, that in my opinion was completely unnecessary. In the game there was literally one reference to him being a gay person, when Joel and Ellie basically stole his truck and found male nudes magazines in the truck. That's it.

I just assumed they were going to take some liberties, especially with Neil Druckmann now having the vehicle to further expand on his world view. It's going to be interesting to see if it ultimately ruins the series , or makes it even better. I'm pretty sensitive to indoctrination, I don't care for having any sort of views forced on me, left, right, or in the middle. Hopefully Druckmann won't go heavy on the politics moving forward. After all it was only supposed to be a video game adaptation.

Uggh... why are my people so backwards?

It was a very well-written and acted episode about two human beings in a relationship. That's not a "view". It's not political. It's not about being woke, and needs exactly no one's permission slip. Like, at all. Quite frankly, it's weird to think that a story has to meet a particular societal norm held by particular viewers. It's a big world out there. People are diverse, and sexuality is a spectrum that is highly-dynamic for many.

Also, putting aside that it was not the only reference to Bill's sexuality in the game, how many heterosexual men do you know who have gay porn in their trucks?

[Captain_Caveman]

Episode 3 of The Last Of Us….

My first thoughts were “oh boy here comes another ‘woke’ agenda in unnecessary setting”, but it was incredibly emotional and vey well done. Again, I’ve got zero familiarity with the story of the game, but the episode was unexpected and told an entire story in about an hour which is impressive. I laughed a little too hard during “Ron Swanson giggle” of the strawberry scene, but glad they included it. This is the affection I’m used to seeing Nick Offerman show to another man though…

I know the game well and despite knowing that Bill is a gay man, this episode came as a surprise. The biggest surprise being is how much they invested in this back story, that in my opinion was completely unnecessary. In the game there was literally one reference to him being a gay person, when Joel and Ellie basically stole his truck and found male nudes magazines in the truck. That's it.

I just assumed they were going to take some liberties, especially with Neil Druckmann now having the vehicle to further expand on his world view. It's going to be interesting to see if it ultimately ruins the series , or makes it even better. I'm pretty sensitive to indoctrination, I don't care for having any sort of views forced on me, left, right, or in the middle. Hopefully Druckmann won't go heavy on the politics moving forward. After all it was only supposed to be a video game adaptation.

I loved that they provided all this context to Bill even if it's not necessary because that's the whole point of long form tv shows after all, to flesh out characters and world build. I actually cried a couple of times during the episode even though he stole some of the beats from 'Moonlight' What I didn't like was how Druckman can't help himself and leave politics out of it. The inference is that all Qanon/conspiracy theorist, gun rights conservatives/preppers are closeted homosexual incels that just haven't met the right liberal man to save him and allow him to be his true self! And yes, this is 100% what is going through Druckman's head when creating this episode. No Neil, I know that's what you and your ilk who post on resetera and r/politcs believe but it's not reality.

Even if that were true, wasn't it far more layered than that? Didn't Frank need Bill to, you know, actually survive in that world? In your needlessly political interpretation, wouldn't that imply that liberal gay men are weak and incapable and need the protection of conservative gun-toters, with nothing of value to offer other than sex?

Come on, man.

[Wes-J]

Episode 3 of The Last Of Us….

My first thoughts were “oh boy here comes another ‘woke’ agenda in unnecessary setting”, but it was incredibly emotional and vey well done. Again, I’ve got zero familiarity with the story of the game, but the episode was unexpected and told an entire story in about an hour which is impressive. I laughed a little too hard during “Ron Swanson giggle” of the strawberry scene, but glad they included it. This is the affection I’m used to seeing Nick Offerman show to another man though…

I know the game well and despite knowing that Bill is a gay man, this episode came as a surprise. The biggest surprise being is how much they invested in this back story, that in my opinion was completely unnecessary. In the game there was literally one reference to him being a gay person, when Joel and Ellie basically stole his truck and found male nudes magazines in the truck. That's it.

I just assumed they were going to take some liberties, especially with Neil Druckmann now having the vehicle to further expand on his world view. It's going to be interesting to see if it ultimately ruins the series , or makes it even better. I'm pretty sensitive to indoctrination, I don't care for having any sort of views forced on me, left, right, or in the middle. Hopefully Druckmann won't go heavy on the politics moving forward. After all it was only supposed to be a video game adaptation.

Uggh... why are my people so backwards?

It was a very well-written and acted episode about two human beings in a relationship. That's not a "view". It's not political. It's not about being woke, and needs exactly no one's permission slip. Like, at all. Quite frankly, it's weird to think that a story has to meet a particular societal norm held by particular viewers. It's a big world out there. People are diverse, and sexuality is a spectrum that is highly-dynamic for many.

Also, putting aside that it was not the only reference to Bill's sexuality in the game, how many heterosexual men do you know who have gay porn in their trucks?

Backwards? You know anything about the game??
Unquestionably unnecessary complete waste of an episode, doesn't matter what side of the social view you fall on. All it was, was glorified filler to make certain people feel good about themselves. There's a lot more going on with this story than with this couple that is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things. The heart, the core of this story is with Joel and Ellie.

I'm backwards? You're right and I'm wrong?? Please spare me the high and almighty attitude. It's just talk.

[Captain_Caveman]

I know the game well and despite knowing that Bill is a gay man, this episode came as a surprise. The biggest surprise being is how much they invested in this back story, that in my opinion was completely unnecessary. In the game there was literally one reference to him being a gay person, when Joel and Ellie basically stole his truck and found male nudes magazines in the truck. That's it.

I just assumed they were going to take some liberties, especially with Neil Druckmann now having the vehicle to further expand on his world view. It's going to be interesting to see if it ultimately ruins the series , or makes it even better. I'm pretty sensitive to indoctrination, I don't care for having any sort of views forced on me, left, right, or in the middle. Hopefully Druckmann won't go heavy on the politics moving forward. After all it was only supposed to be a video game adaptation.

Uggh... why are my people so backwards?

It was a very well-written and acted episode about two human beings in a relationship. That's not a "view". It's not political. It's not about being woke, and needs exactly no one's permission slip. Like, at all. Quite frankly, it's weird to think that a story has to meet a particular societal norm held by particular viewers. It's a big world out there. People are diverse, and sexuality is a spectrum that is highly-dynamic for many.

Also, putting aside that it was not the only reference to Bill's sexuality in the game, how many heterosexual men do you know who have gay porn in their trucks?

Backwards? You know anything about the game??
Unquestionably unnecessary complete waste of an episode, doesn't matter what side of the social view you fall on. All it was, was glorified filler to make certain people feel good about themselves. There's a lot more going on with this story than with this couple that is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things. The heart, the core of this story is with Joel and Ellie.

I'm backwards? You're right and I'm wrong?? Please spare me the high and almighty attitude. It's just talk.

If you think they weren't gay in the game, you should probably answer the bolded question lol.

Maybe the episode wasn't for you. But it's getting rave reviews just about everywhere, and Nick Offerman will probably win an Emmy for it. My take is that it brought a fairly deep level of humanity to a rather played out genre. Far above other similar offerings like The Road, Station Eleven, and The Walking Dead, all of whom had much richer source material to draw from.

Joel and Ellie also written and acted well, fwiw. Solid show all around so far.

[Wes-J]

Uggh... why are my people so backwards?

It was a very well-written and acted episode about two human beings in a relationship. That's not a "view". It's not political. It's not about being woke, and needs exactly no one's permission slip. Like, at all. Quite frankly, it's weird to think that a story has to meet a particular societal norm held by particular viewers. It's a big world out there. People are diverse, and sexuality is a spectrum that is highly-dynamic for many.

Also, putting aside that it was not the only reference to Bill's sexuality in the game, how many heterosexual men do you know who have gay porn in their trucks?

Backwards? You know anything about the game??
Unquestionably unnecessary complete waste of an episode, doesn't matter what side of the social view you fall on. All it was, was glorified filler to make certain people feel good about themselves. There's a lot more going on with this story than with this couple that is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things. The heart, the core of this story is with Joel and Ellie.

I'm backwards? You're right and I'm wrong?? Please spare me the high and almighty attitude. It's just talk.

If you think they weren't gay in the game, you should probably answer the bolded question lol.

Maybe the episode wasn't for you. But it's getting rave reviews just about everywhere, and Nick Offerman will probably win an Emmy for it. My take is that it brought a fairly deep level of humanity to a rather played out genre. Far above other similar offerings like The Road, Station Eleven, and The Walking Dead, all of whom had much richer source material to draw from.

Why should it win an Emmy? Explain why it deserves special recognition above anything else?? Just because of the sexuality of said men? Bill was a small blip in the story, barely even a footnote. I'm focused on what the core should be, that's the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Everybody with knowledge of the game said the same thing it's not like I'm making up some bold opinion. We just want to know why we got a full episode of somebody irrelevant in the scheme of things. And yes, it's a view btw, Druckmann said as much. He also says the conclusion of TLOU was influenced by his own personal experiences in life.

If you enjoyed it so much, fantastic, I'm glad you loved it. That's your take who am I to say you're wrong.

[Captain_Caveman]

Backwards? You know anything about the game??
Unquestionably unnecessary complete waste of an episode, doesn't matter what side of the social view you fall on. All it was, was glorified filler to make certain people feel good about themselves. There's a lot more going on with this story than with this couple that is completely irrelevant in the scheme of things. The heart, the core of this story is with Joel and Ellie.

I'm backwards? You're right and I'm wrong?? Please spare me the high and almighty attitude. It's just talk.

If you think they weren't gay in the game, you should probably answer the bolded question lol.

Maybe the episode wasn't for you. But it's getting rave reviews just about everywhere, and Nick Offerman will probably win an Emmy for it. My take is that it brought a fairly deep level of humanity to a rather played out genre. Far above other similar offerings like The Road, Station Eleven, and The Walking Dead, all of whom had much richer source material to draw from.

Why should it win an Emmy? Explain why it deserves special recognition above anything else?? Just because of the sexuality of said men? Bill was a small blip in the story, barely even a footnote. I'm focused on what the core should be, that's the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Everybody with knowledge of the game said the same thing it's not like I'm making up some bold opinion. We just want to know why we got a full episode of somebody irrelevant in the scheme of things. And yes, it's a view btw, Druckmann said as much. He also says the conclusion of TLOU was influenced by his own personal experiences in life.

If you enjoyed it so much, fantastic, I'm glad you loved it. That's your take who am I to say you're wrong.

Because they give Emmys for everything, including Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, and Offerman absolutely crushed his role.

I don't even care about that so much, or if you or anyone else agrees or even enjoyed the episode. Really just speaking here to a couple of dudes who got triggered after seeing a gay kiss on TV.

[Wes-J]

If you think they weren't gay in the game, you should probably answer the bolded question lol.

Maybe the episode wasn't for you. But it's getting rave reviews just about everywhere, and Nick Offerman will probably win an Emmy for it. My take is that it brought a fairly deep level of humanity to a rather played out genre. Far above other similar offerings like The Road, Station Eleven, and The Walking Dead, all of whom had much richer source material to draw from.

Why should it win an Emmy? Explain why it deserves special recognition above anything else?? Just because of the sexuality of said men? Bill was a small blip in the story, barely even a footnote. I'm focused on what the core should be, that's the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Everybody with knowledge of the game said the same thing it's not like I'm making up some bold opinion. We just want to know why we got a full episode of somebody irrelevant in the scheme of things. And yes, it's a view btw, Druckmann said as much. He also says the conclusion of TLOU was influenced by his own personal experiences in life.

If you enjoyed it so much, fantastic, I'm glad you loved it. That's your take who am I to say you're wrong.

Because they give Emmys for everything, including Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, and Offerman absolutely crushed his role.

I don't even care about that so much, or if you or anyone else agrees or even enjoyed the episode. Really just speaking here to a couple of dudes who got triggered after seeing a gay kiss on TV.

So that's your conclusion? I was triggered over a couple of gay guys?? Lol whatever. I literally said it was a wasted episode the guy is completely irrelevant, I wanted more of the protagonists. Druckmann made this about celebrating diversity. If Bill was a straight guy we don't get a stand alone episode about him, nor mentions of award winning performances. Besides, I never said it was bad, the story in of itself was fine but I didn't care for it for reasons already stated.

[Captain_Caveman]

Why should it win an Emmy? Explain why it deserves special recognition above anything else?? Just because of the sexuality of said men? Bill was a small blip in the story, barely even a footnote. I'm focused on what the core should be, that's the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Everybody with knowledge of the game said the same thing it's not like I'm making up some bold opinion. We just want to know why we got a full episode of somebody irrelevant in the scheme of things. And yes, it's a view btw, Druckmann said as much. He also says the conclusion of TLOU was influenced by his own personal experiences in life.

If you enjoyed it so much, fantastic, I'm glad you loved it. That's your take who am I to say you're wrong.

Because they give Emmys for everything, including Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, and Offerman absolutely crushed his role.

I don't even care about that so much, or if you or anyone else agrees or even enjoyed the episode. Really just speaking here to a couple of dudes who got triggered after seeing a gay kiss on TV.

So that's your conclusion? I was triggered over a couple of gay guys?? Lol whatever. I literally said it was a wasted episode the guy is completely irrelevant, I wanted more of the protagonists. Druckmann made this about celebrating diversity. If Bill was a straight guy we don't get a stand alone episode about him, nor mentions of award winning performances. Besides, I never said it was bad, the story in of itself was fine but I didn't care for it for reasons already stated.

I heard everything you said and it's all good.

[BostonCouchGM]

I know the game well and despite knowing that Bill is a gay man, this episode came as a surprise. The biggest surprise being is how much they invested in this back story, that in my opinion was completely unnecessary. In the game there was literally one reference to him being a gay person, when Joel and Ellie basically stole his truck and found male nudes magazines in the truck. That's it.

I just assumed they were going to take some liberties, especially with Neil Druckmann now having the vehicle to further expand on his world view. It's going to be interesting to see if it ultimately ruins the series , or makes it even better. I'm pretty sensitive to indoctrination, I don't care for having any sort of views forced on me, left, right, or in the middle. Hopefully Druckmann won't go heavy on the politics moving forward. After all it was only supposed to be a video game adaptation.

I loved that they provided all this context to Bill even if it's not necessary because that's the whole point of long form tv shows after all, to flesh out characters and world build. I actually cried a couple of times during the episode even though he stole some of the beats from 'Moonlight' What I didn't like was how Druckman can't help himself and leave politics out of it. The inference is that all Qanon/conspiracy theorist, gun rights conservatives/preppers are closeted homosexual incels that just haven't met the right liberal man to save him and allow him to be his true self! And yes, this is 100% what is going through Druckman's head when creating this episode. No Neil, I know that's what you and your ilk who post on resetera and r/politcs believe but it's not reality.

Even if that were true, wasn't it far more layered than that? Didn't Frank need Bill to, you know, actually survive in that world? In your needlessly political interpretation, wouldn't that imply that liberal gay men are weak and incapable and need the protection of conservative gun-toters, with nothing of value to offer other than sex?

Come on, man.

Bill is a closeted gay, bigot, conservative, sociopath. Frank the enlightened liberal gay man saves Bill and allows him to live his true self. He seduces him so he can stay and be safe. He slowly changes Bill and his surroundings he built up beautifully for himself the past four years. Bill drops all of that at the first chance he gets? All that precaution out the window? Stop. Before you know it Frank is transforming Bill the conservative by painting the neighborhood and tearing down his 'Don't Tread on Me' poster. The transformation is complete. The "Not today you New World Order jack boot ****" prepper who is a crazy conservative that believes the government is run by Nazis is now a domesticated gay man having tea parties with strangers...of course, saved by liberal gay man Frank. If you just let your homosexual tendencies out you conservative men can stop being a bigoted Qanon don't you know?!!

None of the political stuff needed to be in it but Druckman and HBO in general cannot help themselves. They could have effectively told this love story about a lonely, cantankerous prepper who is closeted without him being Qanon. They've ALWAYS been like this. The wokest network on television. I love HBO but I can see through the b.s. and appreciate the art but it gets harder and harder the more unhinged they get. Trump broke them these past several years. Their shows have never been worse because they hire a bunch of activists pushing their political agenda instead of focusing on making great content.

[sam_I_am]

If you think they weren't gay in the game, you should probably answer the bolded question lol.

Maybe the episode wasn't for you. But it's getting rave reviews just about everywhere, and Nick Offerman will probably win an Emmy for it. My take is that it brought a fairly deep level of humanity to a rather played out genre. Far above other similar offerings like The Road, Station Eleven, and The Walking Dead, all of whom had much richer source material to draw from.

Why should it win an Emmy? Explain why it deserves special recognition above anything else?? Just because of the sexuality of said men? Bill was a small blip in the story, barely even a footnote. I'm focused on what the core should be, that's the development of the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Everybody with knowledge of the game said the same thing it's not like I'm making up some bold opinion. We just want to know why we got a full episode of somebody irrelevant in the scheme of things. And yes, it's a view btw, Druckmann said as much. He also says the conclusion of TLOU was influenced by his own personal experiences in life.

If you enjoyed it so much, fantastic, I'm glad you loved it. That's your take who am I to say you're wrong.

Because they give Emmys for everything, including Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series, and Offerman absolutely crushed his role.

I don't even care about that so much, or if you or anyone else agrees or even enjoyed the episode. Really just speaking here to a couple of dudes who got triggered after seeing a gay kiss on TV.

I appreciate your point of view on this Caveman, but I do still have issues with the episode. Spending that much time showing the entire lifetime of a normal relationship during the apocalypse was interesting and well done…..but was it good storytelling? I don’t think so. In my opinion it was overly sentimental and indulgent for what is supposed to be a suspenseful show. As a fan of Offerman I agree he was sensational. As a fan of apocalyptic shows like the Walking Dead and groundbreaking gender bending shows like Orphan Black, I thought the episode broke no new ground and that others shows I have seen before have done it better. I’ll keep watching for now because I’m a huge fan of Pedro Pascal but I am wondering when is this show going to live up to its promise.