2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[TeamTragic]

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This is pretty hilarious

[lilfishi22]

I, for one, am super okay that the Suns didn't get the headcase that is Kyrie Irving. That is an amount of off-court chaos I want nowhere near the only team I watch. I think there are better moves out there, hopefully we find them over the next few days.

Couldn't agree more. I remember wanting Kyrie back in his Boston days when it seemed like he wanted out. I thought back then he was worth the headache. 5 years later, I'm certain I was wrong about wanting him.

[BobbieL]

Well you should probably replace JJ with Mat in your ire because this level of move is absolutely at that level not something a GM is doing independently.

If that report is true, like I was saying earlier then hold on to your butts because Mat is a wild man.

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Shams is reporting “…Suns offered CP3, Crowder and one FRP. Suns pivoted after 24 hours.,”
Shams expects Suns to be active

I wonder how Paul feels

Likely cp3 last year can't worry about his feelings here he has to know we make that trade, and if not we move him.

Charlotte could take Paul and send Rozier and buyout Paul. Clippers or Lakers would take him. Or three team trade

[TeamTragic]

I, for one, am super okay that the Suns didn't get the headcase that is Kyrie Irving. That is an amount of off-court chaos I want nowhere near the only team I watch. I think there are better moves out there, hopefully we find them over the next few days.

Couldn't agree more. I remember wanting Kyrie back in his Boston days when it seemed like he wanted out. I thought back then he was worth the headache. 5 years later, I'm certain I was wrong about wanting him.

Meanwhile Kyrie has been killing it this season (while KD has been injured) and they have a better record than the SUNS!

Put your hate for Kyrie aside and look at his numbers.

[Jarlaxle0204]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

[TeamTragic]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

What a damn shame Jar

[matt131]

At the VERY least, I'm happy our front office recognizes that SOMETHING needs to change for us to compete.

We do need another scorer and ball handler, even with Mikal's improvements and CP3 showed some age in the playoffs last year.

Was Kyrie the answer? Maybe, maybe not. But he was available and we took our shot. Weird that we backed out so quickly, but perhaps we saw the writing on the wall with Irving potentially leaving ASAP or pulling the same old **** he usually does and didn't want to mortgage our future too heavily on the trade.

We need to be smart and take advantage of available players, especially when it's a superstar, but you can't afford to be too reckless. It's a fine line and everything is a gamble. Easy to sit here and say something went right/wrong, but ultimately we may never know what the better decision would have been.

Hope we are aggressive yet calculated this trade deadline and hopefully someone who moves the needle for us is available.

[BobbieL]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

Fair point.

Plus the Suns have that tricky decision of keeping Paul or not picking up his option.

So I was always open to moving him for the right long term player if it came along

[WeekapaugGroove]

From Shams on the Athletic

“The Suns are known as a potential suitor for Toronto Raptors guard Fred VanVleet, but once Irving became available, Phoenix shifted its focus to the Irving market.

Phoenix offered a package around Paul, Jae Crowder and one first-round pick, sources said. The offer was made within the first 18 hours of Irving’s trade request, and it’s believed that three first-round picks could have clinched a deal, multiple league sources said. However, the Suns never added those picks and failed to make a better offer, beginning to lose interest in a trade for Irving as time went on.

The Suns are expected to be incredibly active over the next several days to add to the roster, as Ishbia is expected to be a resourceful, open-minded team owner.”

Awesome. JJ wouldn't match the other offers on picks because he values them SO much

Again I think your angst is directed at the wrong person here.

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[NapoleonII]

Yo what happened to Ghost around here?

He....okay?

lol

[BobbieL]

At the VERY least, I'm happy our front office recognizes that SOMETHING needs to change for us to compete.

We do need another scorer and ball handler, even with Mikal's improvements and CP3 showed some age in the playoffs last year.

Was Kyrie the answer? Maybe, maybe not. But he was available and we took our shot. Weird that we backed out so quickly, but perhaps we saw the writing on the wall with Irving potentially leaving ASAP or pulling the same old **** he usually does and didn't want to mortgage our future too heavily on the trade.

We need to be smart and take advantage of available players, especially when it's a superstar, but you can't afford to be too reckless. It's a fine line and everything is a gamble. Easy to sit here and say something went right/wrong, but ultimately we may never know what the better decision would have been.

Hope we are aggressive yet calculated this trade deadline and hopefully someone who moves the needle for us is available.

Shams report has me pleased. Shams also mentioned a core of Bridges Ayton Cam J and Booker

My guess - everybody else is open for business

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[lilfishi22]

I, for one, am super okay that the Suns didn't get the headcase that is Kyrie Irving. That is an amount of off-court chaos I want nowhere near the only team I watch. I think there are better moves out there, hopefully we find them over the next few days.

Couldn't agree more. I remember wanting Kyrie back in his Boston days when it seemed like he wanted out. I thought back then he was worth the headache. 5 years later, I'm certain I was wrong about wanting him.

Meanwhile Kyrie has been killing it this season (while KD has been injured) and they have a better record than the SUNS!

Put your hate for Kyrie aside and look at his numbers.

No, I don't hate Kyrie. You just can't separate Kyrie the player from Kyrie the persona. Kyrie the player is phenomenal. Easily one of the best singular scorers I've ever seen. Kyrie the persona is unreliable, unstable and you just can't trust he's gonna keep his focus on basketball. He's burned bridges at literally every stop in his career.

[TeamTragic]

At the VERY least, I'm happy our front office recognizes that SOMETHING needs to change for us to compete.

We do need another scorer and ball handler, even with Mikal's improvements and CP3 showed some age in the playoffs last year.

Was Kyrie the answer? Maybe, maybe not. But he was available and we took our shot. Weird that we backed out so quickly, but perhaps we saw the writing on the wall with Irving potentially leaving ASAP or pulling the same old **** he usually does and didn't want to mortgage our future too heavily on the trade.

We need to be smart and take advantage of available players, especially when it's a superstar, but you can't afford to be too reckless. It's a fine line and everything is a gamble. Easy to sit here and say something went right/wrong, but ultimately we may never know what the better decision would have been.

Hope we are aggressive yet calculated this trade deadline and hopefully someone who moves the needle for us is available.

JJ already did what you stated and went after KD with players/picks/expirings. That failed miserably and you cannot say it did not negatively impact the team.

I know that Kyrie trade package was just a rumor however JJ made the right call when he included CP3. I understand that likely it was Matt telling him to move his contract.

However why would you not just offer another FRP and even multiple second rounders? This makes ZERO **** sense because JJ - in his own words - said that we don't scout the draft because that is not how he wants to build the team.

This organization needs to be flexible and that means taking risks like Cuban just did for Luka. Don't forget that Cuban already took a huge risk with KP and when that didn't work out he moved that contract for Dinwiddie/etc.

[bwoolf2]

I, for one, am super okay that the Suns didn't get the headcase that is Kyrie Irving. That is an amount of off-court chaos I want nowhere near the only team I watch. I think there are better moves out there, hopefully we find them over the next few days.

Couldn't agree more. I remember wanting Kyrie back in his Boston days when it seemed like he wanted out. I thought back then he was worth the headache. 5 years later, I'm certain I was wrong about wanting him.

Meanwhile Kyrie has been killing it this season (while KD has been injured) and they have a better record than the SUNS!

Put your hate for Kyrie aside and look at his numbers.

When the Suns were healthy they had the best record in the league, remember that.

[TeamTragic]

Couldn't agree more. I remember wanting Kyrie back in his Boston days when it seemed like he wanted out. I thought back then he was worth the headache. 5 years later, I'm certain I was wrong about wanting him.

Meanwhile Kyrie has been killing it this season (while KD has been injured) and they have a better record than the SUNS!

Put your hate for Kyrie aside and look at his numbers.

When the Suns were healthy they had the best record in the league, remember that.

Yes and the Clippers look amazing every year on paper. Tweet at Matt and tell him to upgrade the training staff.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Yo what happened to Ghost around here?

He....okay?

lol

Just weekend with my boys. Of course I end up missing a bunch of stuff going down, But priorities as always....lol

[Cutter]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

Great point, I didn't look at it that way. Well done! Of course Book would at a minimum be informed. I would think that CP3 was aware and gave his blessing.

[TeamTragic]

If there is one thing I learned about this league is that you can trade ANYONE for the right deal.

Everytime I hear someone say "x contract is untradeable" they end up eating their words.

[bwoolf2]

Meanwhile Kyrie has been killing it this season (while KD has been injured) and they have a better record than the SUNS!

Put your hate for Kyrie aside and look at his numbers.

When the Suns were healthy they had the best record in the league, remember that.

Yes and the Clippers look amazing every year on paper. Tweet at Matt and tell him to upgrade the training staff.

We went to the finals and had the best record in the league, two very different scenarios