2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Frank Lee]

If true, a subtle indicator of CPs value… Chowder’s somewhat too, but no one gives a chit about him in this. There will not be many suitors for CP. Not sure his contract is desirable. That was a player friendly deal.

[matt131]

Hollinger thinks the Nets leaked the Suns offer. Basically putting any other negotiations between the two teams as done
So no Durant


Makes sense - suns do not talk

This makes more sense. No way JJ lets that out. We don't play that game

Agreed

Haynes had the note just after the Irving trade was announced the suns still wanted Durant

Now this about their offer

I think Hollinger is on to something. Jones wouldn’t sell out Paul like that and Jones never talks

I think it might be Tsai's not-so-subtle way of telling Jones....LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!!

haha

[bwgood77]

Nets need to trade KD and go into rebuild mode with draft picks. I don't think they currently have many picks, but they could have at least one or two unprotected firsts after the KD trade. Also they could probably trade decent back up players like Dinwiddie for draft assets as well. They seem to keep trying to stay "competitive", time to rebuild however.

They have all win now players and no young players. And they don't have much for picks. They owe Houston a swap this year. They have 3D role players (DFS and O'Neale), Claxton, Simmons and KD all on long term deals. Plus some good vet backups. They are not really in a rebuilding state and are firmly in the middle of the playoff race despite missing KD, Kyrie and Simmons all for decent parts of the season.

[BobbieL]

Hollinger thinks the Nets leaked the Suns offer. Basically putting any other negotiations between the two teams as done
So no Durant


Makes sense - suns do not talk

This makes more sense. No way JJ lets that out. We don't play that game

I would assume they told Chris, but if they didn't and this got out.....don't they HAVE to trade him now?

I hope they told Paul - yes

And who knows - if he doesn’t play Tuesday

[bwgood77]

I read somewhere else that the owner of the Nets didn't want to send Kyrie to a place he wanted to go.

I honestly don't know which package was the best (lol not the Lakers).

Swing and a miss for the Suns here, whether you wanted Kyrie on the team or not. Jones wanted him but failed. Sure sounds like CP3 is on the table, but maybe only for a player of Kyrie's star level. I don't necessarily like that this leaked as an official trade offer, but I have to imagine CP3 is privy to what the Suns are trying to do.

Wonder what Jones pivots to now? Ayton + CamJ for Shamet's kid brother who didn't even play college ball but has high score on the mini hoops machine at the arcade?

That definitely sounds like something they would do with all the drama that Kyrie has caused them. I mentioned it is fairly similar to the Kawhi situation.

It does, but at the same time, the Clips and Lakers deals were not too good, and I can see why they'd prefer Dinwiddie to Paul and a locked up DFS to a holding out expiring Crowder.

[TeamTragic]

Hollinger thinks the Nets leaked the Suns offer. Basically putting any other negotiations between the two teams as done
So no Durant

Makes sense - suns do not talk

At this point I would be surprised if JJ does anything including moving Crowder.

Anybody get the feeling we are about to blow it up?

[bwgood77]

Two things:

1. Either CP3 was briefed and privy to him being traded... JJ made sure to ask his veteran leader if it's ok to move to Brooklyn with your friend Jae and CP3 said that's fine

2. Or, he wasn't briefed and we're looking at disgruntled CP3 heading into the playoffs.

If it's #2, you're screwed.

I hope they talked to Paul… he deserves the respect

As for future trades - if Paul is mad, here goes one if he wants out:

Charlotte - RW and Lakers picks and maybe Suns pick
Lakers: Paul Crowder Shamet or Saric
suns: Rozier and Hayward

Lets face it, Paul won't sulk...the guy wants to win a championship. He will move on like a pro....also remember Paul is the first guy always to say "The NBA is a business".

[bwgood77]

I just can't see Kyrie being happy playing with Luka long-term. Luka has such high usage, if you are a star you will end up standing around watching him ball hog and jack shots. Now there is no doubt that Luka is an elite player however, to me, he is in the Westbrook (prime) and Harden (prime) class of player, ball dominant and me centered player. Can't see Kyrie liking this situation over time.

I can't see Kyrie being happy on a team long term period..any team. Lets face it..he hated playing with LeBron and being in his shadow. Made fun of him at a party.

Maybe he wants the Lakers now but why would he be happier playing on a crappy Lakers team than a WCF Mavs team?

[lilfishi22]

Hollinger thinks the Nets leaked the Suns offer. Basically putting any other negotiations between the two teams as done
So no Durant


Makes sense - suns do not talk

This makes more sense. No way JJ lets that out. We don't play that game

I would assume they told Chris, but if they didn't and this got out.....don't they HAVE to trade him now?

I trust JJ doesn't operate like that. That's some McD level shenanigans. But if that was the case, I would try and trade CP3 asap if I were Jones

[bwoolf2]

Two things:

1. Either CP3 was briefed and privy to him being traded... JJ made sure to ask his veteran leader if it's ok to move to Brooklyn with your friend Jae and CP3 said that's fine

2. Or, he wasn't briefed and we're looking at disgruntled CP3 heading into the playoffs.

If it's #2, you're screwed.

I hope they talked to Paul… he deserves the respect

As for future trades - if Paul is mad, here goes one if he wants out:

Charlotte - RW and Lakers picks and maybe Suns pick
Lakers: Paul Crowder Shamet or Saric
suns: Rozier and Hayward

Lets face it, Paul won't sulk...the guy wants to win a championship. He will move on like a pro....also remember Paul is the first guy always to say "The NBA is a business".

Cp also absolutely knows he is not the player he was even last year he knows this is also likely his last year with the Suns and maybe the league could easily see him retire.

[lilfishi22]

Clearly any dealings with the Nets should be out of question at this point, leaking that info is a bad look for the Suns can't be happy about that.

I just don't understand why Nets would do it. I mean, it's one way to burn a bridge I suppose. Just bad for business

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[bwgood77]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

Plus, if we got Kyrie and KEPT Paul, is Paul happy then? Is Kyrie happy? They are not both starting when Booker is healthy. At least they shouldn't.

I would have traded CP3 and Crowder for Kyrie for sure and I don't even like Kyrie but that's a no brainer.

I wonder if we would trade CP3 for FVV. I could understand it long term but for this season i wouldn't like it.

[TeamTragic]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

Plus, if we got Kyrie and KEPT Paul, is Paul happy then? Is Kyrie happy? They are not both starting when Booker is healthy. At least they shouldn't.

I would have traded CP3 and Crowder for Kyrie for sure and I don't even like Kyrie but that's a no brainer.

I wonder if we would trade CP3 for FVV. I could understand it long term but for this season i wouldn't like it.

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

[bwoolf2]

Clearly any dealings with the Nets should be out of question at this point, leaking that info is a bad look for the Suns can't be happy about that.

I just don't understand why Nets would do it. I mean, it's one way to burn a bridge I suppose. Just bad for business

They are still pissed how the Suns went about the Durant stuff last summer. It was pretty widely reported they weren't happy about it.

[lilfishi22]

I read somewhere else that the owner of the Nets didn't want to send Kyrie to a place he wanted to go.

I honestly don't know which package was the best (lol not the Lakers).

Swing and a miss for the Suns here, whether you wanted Kyrie on the team or not. Jones wanted him but failed. Sure sounds like CP3 is on the table, but maybe only for a player of Kyrie's star level. I don't necessarily like that this leaked as an official trade offer, but I have to imagine CP3 is privy to what the Suns are trying to do.

Wonder what Jones pivots to now? Ayton + CamJ for Shamet's kid brother who didn't even play college ball but has high score on the mini hoops machine at the arcade?

That definitely sounds like something they would do with all the drama that Kyrie has caused them. I mentioned it is fairly similar to the Kawhi situation.

It does, but at the same time, the Clips and Lakers deals were not too good, and I can see why they'd prefer Dinwiddie to Paul and a locked up DFS to a holding out expiring Crowder.

I also don't see this as a failure in any way. Yes Kyrie asked for a trade and it would appear we put together an offer we thought was fair and Nets wanted a helluva lot more. We did our due diligence by enquiring about a potential trade and it got knocked back, that's....part of being a GM. There's probably plenty more conversations we've had with other teams that just never go past the very base level of the trade process (ie the initial high level idea) and we never hear about it. The fact that we were linked and the information was leaked was just bad business by the Nets.

[bwgood77]

This makes more sense. No way JJ lets that out. We don't play that game

I would assume they told Chris, but if they didn't and this got out.....don't they HAVE to trade him now?

I trust JJ doesn't operate like that. That's some McD level shenanigans. But if that was the case, I would try and trade CP3 asap if I were Jones

Paul is a pro's pro and knows it's a business and always says that so if he has his feelings hurt he should remember what he says himself. But he wants to win. Why would he pout instead of focusing on winning.

Also, the Suns can just play the political stance of deny deny deny.

[bwgood77]

It's not CP3's blessing that makes me take note but that of Booker. CP3 is gonna be 38. His opinion doesn't really matter much anymore. Booker had to be consulted on a possible trade of that magnitude and if he signed off on that it just shows he knows he needs someone else that can actually help create some offense too. This guy has never played with a 20 point per game scorer in his entire career. Let that sink in.

Plus, if we got Kyrie and KEPT Paul, is Paul happy then? Is Kyrie happy? They are not both starting when Booker is healthy. At least they shouldn't.

I would have traded CP3 and Crowder for Kyrie for sure and I don't even like Kyrie but that's a no brainer.

I wonder if we would trade CP3 for FVV. I could understand it long term but for this season i wouldn't like it.

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

[TeamTragic]

Clearly any dealings with the Nets should be out of question at this point, leaking that info is a bad look for the Suns can't be happy about that.

I just don't understand why Nets would do it. I mean, it's one way to burn a bridge I suppose. Just bad for business

They are still pissed how the Suns went about the Durant stuff last summer. It was pretty widely reported they weren't happy about it.

What does that have to do with the SUNS? The entire league was laughing their asses off because the Nets FO and owner are clowns. Now we hear reports that Tsai took a worse offer for Kyrie simply out of spite.

Every team talks to each other and every team has reporters that get leaked information. This is how the NBA works and if Tsai can't take the heat then he should sell the team.

[bwoolf2]

I just don't understand why Nets would do it. I mean, it's one way to burn a bridge I suppose. Just bad for business

They are still pissed how the Suns went about the Durant stuff last summer. It was pretty widely reported they weren't happy about it.

What does that have to do with the SUNS? The entire league was laughing their asses off because the Nets FO and owner are clowns. Now we hear reports that Tsai took a worse offer for Kyrie simply out of spite.

Every team talks to each other and every team has reporters that get leaked information. This is how the NBA works and if Tsai can't take the heat then he should sell the team.

Huh?

Last summer they said the Suns leaked all the KD stuff which then led to his trade request causing them headaches making them look bad, now they are just returning the favor.