Kyrie Wants Out

[Marvin Martian]

Guys we're stuck with Simmons right now, unless we give up those 3 picks but then we won't be able to get another star player . I rather use one 1st to get a guy like Clarkson. Lavine is damaged goods. I don't want Trae Young. Siakam and OG would be nice but Raptors want an arm and a leg for each. And other teams don't seem like they're blowing it up right now so I doubt we get Dame or Beal etc..

Siakam is definitely attainable. It makes no sense for the Raptors to continue holding on to him and OG and ruin their draft position year after year. They need to build around Barnes. Siakam and OG do not fit the timeline. If the Nets offer Ben and picks, they should take it.

[Netaman]

nets took the right deal.

i think simmons is the next one to go and i think there will be a team out there willing to roll the dice on him. if you are a tanking lotto team why not? or just a team trying to get something of value for a rental?

utah and sas in particular make sense as simmons destinations, though they seem more likely to be 3rd teams.

raps have the most interesting players on the market so that seems like the wild card. which ones are they moving and which are they keeping?

also which backup big does marks target? olynyk makes a ton of sense in utah. does a bit of everything, can stretch the floor, good ft shooter for a big man.

so much on the line in the next few days and a lot of possibilities out there. marks has another chance to totally flip the script.

[NinjaBro]

Guys we're stuck with Simmons right now, unless we give up those 3 picks but then we won't be able to get another star player . I rather use one 1st to get a guy like Clarkson. Lavine is damaged goods. I don't want Trae Young. Siakam and OG would be nice but Raptors want an arm and a leg for each. And other teams don't seem like they're blowing it up right now so I doubt we get Dame or Beal etc..

Siakam is definitely attainable. It makes no sense for the Raptors to continue holding on to him and OG and ruin their draft position year after year. They need to build around Barnes. Siakam and OG do not fit the timeline. If the Nets offer Ben and picks, they should take it.

No we shouldn't. I don't think you've yet grasp the concept that Ben Simmons on his current contract is the worst contract in the league right now and is a giant negative asset. Siakam has gotten better and better every single year and is currently having his best season averaging 25/8/6. He's added to his game every year. It's refreshing to see a player work hard on his game to take his game to the next level year after year, we haven't even yet reached his peak yet. And then you have Ben Simmons, who's basically the complete opposite of Siakam when it comes to work ethic and commitment. So tell me again why would the Raptors even consider Ben? There's no amount of picks that you can attach to not make Masai burst out in laughter and hang up the phone.

[Papi_swav]

Guys we're stuck with Simmons right now, unless we give up those 3 picks but then we won't be able to get another star player . I rather use one 1st to get a guy like Clarkson. Lavine is damaged goods. I don't want Trae Young. Siakam and OG would be nice but Raptors want an arm and a leg for each. And other teams don't seem like they're blowing it up right now so I doubt we get Dame or Beal etc..

Siakam is definitely attainable. It makes no sense for the Raptors to continue holding on to him and OG and ruin their draft position year after year. They need to build around Barnes. Siakam and OG do not fit the timeline. If the Nets offer Ben and picks, they should take it.

lol dude Raps would get a much better offer than Ben and picks. Ben is arguably the worst contract in the league, we're not getting Siakam for him. I don't think any team would touch ben right now, maybe next year trade deadline but definitely not now.

[Papi_swav]

I read that the nets didn't want Wood at all, I wonder why? he would of been a nice fit here. We could of added Harris with kyrie and they add Wood with the packaged we got. Not sure why Nets didn't take it.

[NyCeEvO]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

[djsunyc]

I read that the nets didn't want Wood at all, I wonder why? he would of been a nice fit here. We could of added Harris with kyrie and they add Wood with the packaged we got. Not sure why Nets didn't take it.

my guess is that dallas offered wood instead of dfs.

[djsunyc]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

ben's contract is really bad. i think for any team to take that on would require a bunch of picks to make it worth it. $38 mil and $40 mil after this season is a ton. that's more than 25% of the cap tied to a player that can't stay physically healthy and who knows if he will have a mental setback. there's zero reliability with him.

[NyCeEvO]

What's weird to me is that if we don't want Simmons why would any other team do?

Idk…but the organization didn’t want Kyrie, but there was still a market for him. It only takes one optimistic team to get a deal done.

[Paradise]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

It’s not even the lack of wanting to shoot. Dude dropped 15 points and had knee soreness after declaring the Detroit game a “must win”

I’ve never seen such a regression of an all-star. Far worse than Deron Williams.

[Rastas]

Harris and Curry should be the Nets only shopping options at the moment ( unless KD requests), would prefer both gone for just one player return as the team's depth already has too many decent players sitting idle too long.

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[They_Them_Hatin]

Guys we're stuck with Simmons right now, unless we give up those 3 picks but then we won't be able to get another star player . I rather use one 1st to get a guy like Clarkson. Lavine is damaged goods. I don't want Trae Young. Siakam and OG would be nice but Raptors want an arm and a leg for each. And other teams don't seem like they're blowing it up right now so I doubt we get Dame or Beal etc..

Siakam is definitely attainable. It makes no sense for the Raptors to continue holding on to him and OG and ruin their draft position year after year. They need to build around Barnes. Siakam and OG do not fit the timeline. If the Nets offer Ben and picks, they should take it.

No we shouldn't. I don't think you've yet grasp the concept that Ben Simmons on his current contract is the worst contract in the league right now and is a giant negative asset. Siakam has gotten better and better every single year and is currently having his best season averaging 25/8/6. He's added to his game every year. It's refreshing to see a player work hard on his game to take his game to the next level year after year, we haven't even yet reached his peak yet. And then you have Ben Simmons, who's basically the complete opposite of Siakam when it comes to work ethic and commitment. So tell me again why would the Raptors even consider Ben? There's no amount of picks that you can attach to not make Masai burst out in laughter and hang up the phone.

Really? Why every time I take his over he’s go under? Literally happen so many times this year.

[MrDollarBills]

I read that the nets didn't want Wood at all, I wonder why? he would of been a nice fit here. We could of added Harris with kyrie and they add Wood with the packaged we got. Not sure why Nets didn't take it.

He's another headcase.

[They_Them_Hatin]

I think the Bulls would swap Lavine for Ben or trade Demar for Harris/filler/1st to tank. I have no reason why everyone wants to trade multiple 1sts for OG. Although Siakam has been selling me, Masai is looking for a Gobert package that we don’t have. If the dumb Wolves would’ve waited they could’ve had him instead of Gobert. If we can get one of the Bulls guards and a big to go up against both Williams and Horford and trade in one of our midget guards for a taller guard, we’ll be fine. I don’t trust Marks.

[OfficialRef]

Marks has to land one of Beal/Demar/Lavine/Siakim otherwise this season is wasted.

[mademan]

What's weird to me is that if we don't want Simmons why would any other team do?

Idk…but the organization didn’t want Kyrie, but there was still a market for him. It only takes one optimistic team to get a deal done.

Kyrie Irving is a very good player with baggage. Ben Simmons is a bad player with baggage.

[Hello Brooklyn]

i'm not going to debate siakam's worth. i'm giving you the perspective of what masai would expect in return. the deal you proposed is awful for the raptors.

ben simmons has negative value. you want to bring up siakam not making the all star team this year (putting up all star numbers but team record wasn't good), fine. then are you ready to talk about ben simmons this year? the guy afraid to shoot or make a layup?

westbrook has more value than ben b/c he's expiring. i think you need to accept that. that's the landscape of the nba right now.

masai is not dumping siakam for a useless player on an awful deal and one frp.
masai is not going to dump og (whom everyone says is highly sought after) w/o claxton b/c the nets have nothing else of worth to offer. masai doesn't want picks 5 years from now. he likes to re-tool with talent, not go scorched earth.

The Raptors best chance to contend is to suck right now and rebuild.

If they can get two valuable picks and a former All Star player coming off injury it would make sense to do so.

The idea that Simmons has negative value because hes had a poor return to form after injury is idiotic. How many times have we seen all star players need time to get back to normal?

The problem is the Nets timeline is this year because of KD's age.

The Raptors could easily wait till next season and have Simmons playing at a high level again. Along with Barnes and a top draft pick.

That would make a lot more sense than taking back another deal with no good young players.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Guys we're stuck with Simmons right now, unless we give up those 3 picks but then we won't be able to get another star player . I rather use one 1st to get a guy like Clarkson. Lavine is damaged goods. I don't want Trae Young. Siakam and OG would be nice but Raptors want an arm and a leg for each. And other teams don't seem like they're blowing it up right now so I doubt we get Dame or Beal etc..

Siakam is definitely attainable. It makes no sense for the Raptors to continue holding on to him and OG and ruin their draft position year after year. They need to build around Barnes. Siakam and OG do not fit the timeline. If the Nets offer Ben and picks, they should take it.

No we shouldn't. I don't think you've yet grasp the concept that Ben Simmons on his current contract is the worst contract in the league right now and is a giant negative asset. Siakam has gotten better and better every single year and is currently having his best season averaging 25/8/6. He's added to his game every year. It's refreshing to see a player work hard on his game to take his game to the next level year after year, we haven't even yet reached his peak yet. And then you have Ben Simmons, who's basically the complete opposite of Siakam when it comes to work ethic and commitment. So tell me again why would the Raptors even consider Ben? There's no amount of picks that you can attach to not make Masai burst out in laughter and hang up the phone.

Again delusional.

Simmons is having a bad return from injury. Which is not exactly unprecedented. The talent is there and he could easily return to form with more time and less pressure.

This is why I don't go the Raptors board. You guys are massive homers.

You are the same people that tried arguing Scottie Barnes would not be worth Kevin Durant.

If you guys had Durant instead of Barnes right now you would easily be contending for a Championship.

Please stay off our board with you nonsense. We don't give a ****.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

Its best to trade him now. I still think he can get back to form with more time. But we just don't have time.

And its a poor fit with Claxton frankly.

[Revived]

Everyone loves to paint Kyrie as the bad guy here but I do believe he had no patience anymore outside of this contract situation with Ben Simmons. This constant knee soreness situation is going to be a huge issue going forward because he’s lost the trust of some of his teammates.

This trade should wake his ass up more than anything. I’m not sure he makes it past the deadline right now the way it’s being reported.

Marks should cut his losses and trade him. We’ve already seen him being a liability in the regular season. We can’t throw away playoff games because he refuses to shoot.

If some teams wants him, as long as we get a capable wing defender to replace him who isn’t afraid to shoot outside of the paint, I’d be fine with moving on.

It’s best to trade him now.

Who would want him on that contract?