2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[lilfishi22]

Plus, if we got Kyrie and KEPT Paul, is Paul happy then? Is Kyrie happy? They are not both starting when Booker is healthy. At least they shouldn't.

I would have traded CP3 and Crowder for Kyrie for sure and I don't even like Kyrie but that's a no brainer.

I wonder if we would trade CP3 for FVV. I could understand it long term but for this season i wouldn't like it.

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

That kind of deal would amount to an offer the Nets couldn't refuse. To give up that many picks for a guy who could bolt in like 4 months would be absolutely disastrous

[TeamTragic]

Plus, if we got Kyrie and KEPT Paul, is Paul happy then? Is Kyrie happy? They are not both starting when Booker is healthy. At least they shouldn't.

I would have traded CP3 and Crowder for Kyrie for sure and I don't even like Kyrie but that's a no brainer.

I wonder if we would trade CP3 for FVV. I could understand it long term but for this season i wouldn't like it.

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

Except we know that JJ doesn't care about picks yet won't offer them for Kyrie. What does he think will happen if/when KD becomes available?

This boggles my mind and I have a feeling JJ will be gone pretty soon.

[bwoolf2]

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

Except we know that JJ doesn't care about picks yet won't offer them for Kyrie. What does he think will happen if/when KD becomes available?

This boggles my mind and I have a feeling JJ will be gone pretty soon.

Only way KD comes to the Suns if they gut the team with an offer Nets can't refuse, but what's the point you ain't winning a championship with cp, Book, and Durant as pretty much it... that team might not make the playoffs

[bwgood77]

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

That kind of deal would amount to an offer the Nets couldn't refuse. To give up that many picks for a guy who could bolt in like 4 months would be absolutely disastrous

I don't think he would have bolted, but eventually he decides he doesn't like playing places, randomly takes rest days when he isn't not getting COVID shots or posting Nazi videos, and players probably think he's a lunatic. There are a lot of reasons it could have blown up in our face even if he did re-sign.

One thing I imagine Ishbia will do is beef up the scouting department and put more focus on the draft too and why would you want to be a new owner and trade half your future picks? Unless you are Sarver of course. But on top of that we are in the tax and would be deeper in the tax.

[bwgood77]

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

Except we know that JJ doesn't care about picks yet won't offer them for Kyrie. What does he think will happen if/when KD becomes available?

This boggles my mind and I have a feeling JJ will be gone pretty soon.

There is no way a trade like that goes down without Ishbia approval and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want us to trade a ton of picks right before he buys the team, particularly for a guy most people think is crazy.

I won't be surprised if JJ is not the GM after this summer though. I think he will probably still have some role but maybe not as GM.

[lilfishi22]

That was the plan BW but apparently adding picks was out of the question

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

Except we know that JJ doesn't care about picks yet won't offer them for Kyrie. What does he think will happen if/when KD becomes available?

This boggles my mind and I have a feeling JJ will be gone pretty soon.

The fact that we have all our picks suggests the opposite

[Slim Charless]

Well apparently they must have offered two. My guess is they started with 1, went up to 2, and then set a limit. You are talking 23, 25 and 27 picks. That's a lot, and we have ZERO young players in development right now.

Also, there is a very good chance if we made that trade, within a year we would all be saying "WTF Kyrie? I can't believe we have to deal with this guy for 3 more years."

Except we know that JJ doesn't care about picks yet won't offer them for Kyrie. What does he think will happen if/when KD becomes available?

This boggles my mind and I have a feeling JJ will be gone pretty soon.

There is no way a trade like that goes down without Ishbia approval and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want us to trade a ton of picks right before he buys the team, particularly for a guy most people think is crazy.

I won't be surprised if JJ is not the GM after this summer though. I think he will probably still have some role but maybe not as GM.

[Qwigglez]

As I been mentioning, the Suns target has always been FVV. He makes the most sense logically since the Suns wouldn't have to give up CP3. The Nets asking for more from the Suns is laughable because they only took one 1st round pick from the Mavs, but it's an obvious attempt to see how desperate the Suns would be to get Irving. Essentially, Marks or the Nets owner just didn't want to give in once again to Kyrie and allowing him to go somewhere where he wants to go, which is why they settled for the more mediocre package from the Mavs. From the Suns perspective, they were never going to offer more than 2 picks for someone that can just leave over the summer.
I do think the Suns will make a final offer for FVV and it will likely come down to the protection of that 2nd 1st round pick that is going to the Raptors.

[lilfishi22]

As I been mentioning, the Suns target has always been FVV. He makes the most sense logically since the Suns wouldn't have to give up CP3. The Nets asking for more from the Suns is laughable because they only took one 1st round pick from the Mavs, but it's an obvious attempt to see how desperate the Suns would be to get Irving. Essentially, Marks or the Nets owner just didn't want to give in once again to Kyrie and allowing him to go somewhere where he wants to go, which is why they settled for the more mediocre package from the Mavs. From the Suns perspective, they were never going to offer more than 2 picks for someone that can just leave over the summer.
I do think the Suns will make a final offer for FVV and it will likely come down to the protection of that 2nd 1st round pick that is going to the Raptors.

I mean I like FVV but two firsts seems steep. The guy is also potentially a free agent and could leave this summer.

[NE1Care]

Maybe uncomfortable, but everyone knew that a Chris Paul decision was coming this summer.
Now the entire league knows that CP is available for the right deal. More teams will be including him in their proposals to us. This flexibility may open teams up to options they were not thinking about yesterday.

All I really want is a fair return for Crowder and for us to get healthy.

[Saberestar]

Leaking another team's trade offer is a good way to make sure they never engage with you again.

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[bwgood77]

Leaking another team's trade offer is a good way to make sure they never engage with you again.

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This obviously conflicts with any KD pursuit.

[bwgood77]

I don't know if Dallas would be willing to do a deal with us, but with DFS gone, who was pretty much their 3/4 3D guy, would you do a Crowder for Christian Wood swap?

I am unsure how exactly they utilize Wood, but they have multiple big guys in Powell, Kleber and McGee and are a little thin now on the wing.

[Slim Charless]

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This obviously conflicts with any KD pursuit.

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

[Book1Nation]

I don't know if Dallas would be willing to do a deal with us, but with DFS gone, who was pretty much their 3/4 3D guy, would you do a Crowder for Christian Wood swap?

I am unsure how exactly they utilize Wood, but they have multiple big guys in Powell, Kleber and McGee and are a little thin now on the wing.

They probably wouldn’t do it but let’s cook.

CP3 | FVV | Payne
Book | Shamet | Okogie
Mikal | Lee | Craig
Anunoby | Cam | Ish
Wood | Biyombo | Landale

[lilfishi22]

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This obviously conflicts with any KD pursuit.

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

That scorched earth approach to stop us from "bothering/tampering" about KD is a great way to destroy a good chunk of goodwill you might with like 29 other teams

[Slim Charless]

This obviously conflicts with any KD pursuit.

Which, if you believe all of this and we didn't give cp3 a heads up, is the point by the Nets. They wanna sour things over here so while we're dealing with internal strife, we can't bother/tamper about KD.

If this is true, it makes our next game (vs Brooklyn of all teams lol) and quite frankly our next 72 hours very interesting.

That scorched earth approach to stop us from "bothering/tampering" about KD is a great way to destroy a good chunk of goodwill you might with like 29 other teams

I agree. I find it hard to believe all of this. I guess we'll find out this week sometime the truth.

[Slim Charless]

I gotta say having Holinger back this up is unsettling. He's a legit person with NBA sources. Not some scrub. Still, no one has said that cp3 didn't know ahead of time. If we went to him early and he said it's all good then everything should be fine.

Of course that means that he's cool being traded and might get his wish later this week.....

[Saberestar]

I gotta say having Holinger back this up is unsettling. He's a legit person with NBA sources. Not some scrub. Still, no one has said that cp3 didn't know ahead of time. If we went to him early and he said it's all good then everything should be fine.

Of course that means that he's cool being traded and might get his wish later this week.....

I think everything will be OK.

In the summer Mikal understood that his name was in every trade rumor for KD and he said basically that it's an honor to know that probably teams want him and that it was for **** KD.

CP3 is 7 years older than Kyrie and he is yet the main piece offered in a trade for a current All-Star. He should understand it.

We value him high enough because we didn't want to add multiple FRPs. And Crowder is basically a filler at this point.

Obviously the Nets have bad intentions leaking it and we need to stay away from them after this **** move.

[AtheJ415]

I realize most really want KD, but I don't think KD guarantees us a title. He is old now. Has 2 years of prime probably left. I would not be trading a 24 year old Ayton or Mikal entering his prime.

Cam and a ton of picks and swaps? Sure. But Ayton and Mikal will be all stars imo and I completely understand and somewhat agree with not trading them for anybody over 34.

I think we end up with FVV or Anunoby. Maybe Grant but I somewhat expect Portland to keep him.

Move Shamet, Crowder or salary equivalent, and a few picks. It's the safest move to improve. I'd prefer OG due to upside but FVV is a damn good player who is very high IQ and can play multiple positions. Problem is he is far less versatile defensively than OG, and OG being able to play WITH both CP3 and Booker I think makes him much more valuable to us.